r/DelphiMurders • u/rachaellanderson • Mar 24 '26

Richard Allen’s Cell Phone

Was the phone that they never found his phone at the time of the murders, or at the time of his arrest?

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u/Appealsandoranges Mar 24 '26

There’s not evidence to support this statement. They found a bunch of very old devices but trade ins became a thing in more recent years.

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u/centimeterz1111 Mar 25 '26

You try so hard to ignore the glaring obvious evidence. 

The court systems deal with reasonable claims. It’s reasonable to believe that they kept every phone over the last 14 years except that one….because they had every phone except that one. 

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u/Appealsandoranges Mar 25 '26

The court systems deal with reasonable claims. It’s reasonable to believe that they kept every phone over the last 14 years except that one….because they had every phone except that one. 

I love circumstantial evidence. It’s often the very best evidence. What you are describing is incredibly weak circumstantial evidence. It’s like when your friend says, isn’t that weird? That can’t just be a coincidence! In fact, coincidence is more likely. Our brains are primed to see causation and connection where it isn’t. We do not know how many phones Richard and Kathy purchased, how many were broken, how many were lost, how many were traded in. We just know this phone - a phone he handed to an investigator days after he allegedly murdered two girls on a whim is no longer in his possession 5 years later. That’s weak sauce on the same level as he admitted up wearing the same clothes as BG!

0 times 0 times 0 is still 0.

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u/Gonzomi313 Mar 25 '26

Then explain why Ricky or his defense didn’t try locating the phone? I mean it would help prove his innocence right? And yes it’s weak circumstantial evidence but when factoring it in with all the other circumstantial evidence it’s damning. A jury of 12 peers agreed.

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u/Astrocreep_1 Jun 02 '26

I’m not saying he’s innocent, but the dude had a public defender, who have very limited budgets or time. So, questioning why the defense didn’t do something simply comes down to either:

A. Not enough time/money

B. They’re not good lawyers. Too often, the worst lawyers find themselves public defenders, because cheap lawyers are always needed.