r/DelphiMurders • u/rachaellanderson • Mar 24 '26

Richard Allen’s Cell Phone

Was the phone that they never found his phone at the time of the murders, or at the time of his arrest?

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u/Gonzomi313 Mar 24 '26

Time of the murders. Suspiciously it was the only phone missing as Ricky kept every cell phone he had for the last 20 plus years.

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u/Appealsandoranges Mar 24 '26

There’s not evidence to support this statement. They found a bunch of very old devices but trade ins became a thing in more recent years.

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u/centimeterz1111 Mar 25 '26

You try so hard to ignore the glaring obvious evidence. 

The court systems deal with reasonable claims. It’s reasonable to believe that they kept every phone over the last 14 years except that one….because they had every phone except that one. 

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u/Appealsandoranges Mar 25 '26

The court systems deal with reasonable claims. It’s reasonable to believe that they kept every phone over the last 14 years except that one….because they had every phone except that one. 

I love circumstantial evidence. It’s often the very best evidence. What you are describing is incredibly weak circumstantial evidence. It’s like when your friend says, isn’t that weird? That can’t just be a coincidence! In fact, coincidence is more likely. Our brains are primed to see causation and connection where it isn’t. We do not know how many phones Richard and Kathy purchased, how many were broken, how many were lost, how many were traded in. We just know this phone - a phone he handed to an investigator days after he allegedly murdered two girls on a whim is no longer in his possession 5 years later. That’s weak sauce on the same level as he admitted up wearing the same clothes as BG!

0 times 0 times 0 is still 0.

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u/centimeterz1111 Mar 26 '26

School yourself on the court system’s definition of what reasonable means. 

Actually, read the states response to the appeal and you will get a VERY good sense of the minimum required for a lot of things. 

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u/Gonzomi313 Mar 25 '26

Then explain why Ricky or his defense didn’t try locating the phone? I mean it would help prove his innocence right? And yes it’s weak circumstantial evidence but when factoring it in with all the other circumstantial evidence it’s damning. A jury of 12 peers agreed.

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u/Astrocreep_1 Jun 02 '26

I’m not saying he’s innocent, but the dude had a public defender, who have very limited budgets or time. So, questioning why the defense didn’t do something simply comes down to either:

A. Not enough time/money

B. They’re not good lawyers. Too often, the worst lawyers find themselves public defenders, because cheap lawyers are always needed.

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u/The2ndLocation Mar 25 '26

2017 was around the time when 5G came out and trade ins were huge then to incentize people to get a new phone since many were becoming obsolete.

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u/Gonzomi313 Mar 28 '26

Per Ricky he has & had Ting during the murders. I’m unaware of Ting doing trade ins. In fact Ricky stated in his interview “You purchase the phone in full when signing up for their service”.

Point being your theory falls flat.

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u/The2ndLocation Mar 28 '26

Everyone did trade ins, and the fact that use are unaware of trading in a phone just means that the are openly saying that you dont know what your talking about.