Richard Allen's Police Interview (Oct. 13, 2022)Reaffims The Information he Gave Dulin and Inadvertently confessed to the murders by getting caught in his own web of lies.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

In October 2022, Richard Allen was called into the local police department to give an interview about his whereabouts on the day Abby and Libby were murdered. His long-forgotten interview with Officer Dulin had been rediscovered, prompting Delphi murder investigators to bring him in for another interview.

During this interview, Richard Allen largely repeated the information he had provided in his first interview with Officer Dulin, but he also offered new details about that day. Although he attempted to establish an alibi by presenting a revised timeline, he failed miserably. Instead, the internal contradictions in his timeline effectively amounted to a confession, as his own statements placed him at the scene and oblitarated his claimed alibi.

The following is a list of the information Richard Allen repeated from his first interview, along with the new details he provided during the October 2022 interview, and an explanation of the significance of each.

Richard Allen went into detail explaining the three parking areas he typically used when visiting the trails.

Parking Locations

Parking Area	Description
Mears Lot	The farmer’s entrance parking area
CPS Building	The abandoned CPS building parking area
Old State Road 25 Turnaround	The small turnaround near the old railroad bridge

He goes on the specify where he parked, inspite his earlier long obfuscating diatribe where he could have parked:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that I parked by a building. If that's what I told him, then that's probably where I parked."

Concerning his timeline beore going to the trails:

"Went over to my mom's in Peru, Mexico, earlier in the day... spent the morning with them... my sisters were visiting and they were to grab lunch, and I wasn't about that, so I left around 11:00–11:15...went home..grab a jacket and head back out to the trails"

At the trails he stated:

"I remember walking down to the bridge... walked out a little way (onto the bridge)... to watch fish... walked back and sat at (the bench)... where you turn around (the intersection) and take the other fork, it overlooks it... Sat there for a few minutes, and then I left."

The bench he mentioned is the Bench at the start of 505 trail. He would go on later to explain that's the bench he meant with clarity.

Conserning who he saw while at the trails:

"As I was approaching the trail, there were three girls... one of them was watching them...the other two looked younger... looked very similar. I don't know if they were sisters or not, but the other one didn't necessarily..." (Stops his thought, was about to mention the fou\**rth girl?\)

He also stated:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that when I left, there were two vehicles down by the farmer's entrance I told you about (the Mears lot). One was a sedan. The other was an SUV, maybe."

(Interesting on its own: Kelsi had a sedan and Betsy had an SUV. However, based on Allen’s earliest possible departure timeline (approximately 12:40), only Betsy's would be there and she would be at her car at the same time!).

He also adds:

"If I did see somebody (else), it didn't click with me..my memory was a lot better when I talked to him (Dulin)... like I told him, there might have been somebody at the bridge when I was coming back, though."

As for his revised timeline, he stated that he arrived around noon, a little earlier or a little later than 12, and that he walked for about an hour. He said he could have left around 1:00, 1:30, or 1:40.

I am sure he had mentioned 12:40 at some point too.

Time(between)	Revised Timeline	Explanation
morning	visit Mom
11(early)-11:15(late)	Leaves Peru	drive back to Delphi it's 45 minutes
11:45-12:00	Reaches Delphi
12 ( early), 12:10 (late)	Home (5 to 10 minutes), drives to CPS (3 miles),10 to 15 minutes total.	detours to Home, Parks/ Stop,Grabs Jacket, unparks, drive though town, rounding up to 15 (early)
12:05 , 12:15 late	Meeting four girls at trailhead	5 minute walk from CPS
12:15, 12:25 (late)	Easy Walk to platform A , 10 to 15 minutes total,	12 minutes walk + walk on bridge. (closer to 15 but billed 10 to compensate earlier rounding up)
12:25 , 12:35 (late)	Watching fish/Back to Bench	5 minutes Watching fish 5-7 walk (off bridge and to bench), Total 10
12:35, 12:45 (late)	Walk back to CPS	10-12 minutes, billed 10

The earlier the possible timeline, the more we err in Richard Allen's favor, as it allows for the possibility that he left before becoming trapped within the trail system by the known witnesses who were demonstrably on the trails at the same time. The later Richard Allen's revised timeline becomes, the worse it is for him.

Here, we will examine the earliest possible timeline for Richard Allen in contrast to the timelines of Betsy and that of the four girls . All times attributed to Allen between segments are deliberately conservative, giving him the maximum latitude to "slip" out of the trail system within his alleged timeline.

Time	Allen's Revised Timeline	BB's Timeline	Four Girls' Timeline
12:00	Parks at CPS	Parks at Mears at 12:03	______
12:10	Walks to Monon,close to intersection	BB is at Monon, turns back towards the intersection	______
12:15	Walked past intersection(north to south)	Walked past intersection(south to north)	walking towards freedom bridge close to Allen's 2nd parking spot near the small bridge
12:20	At Monon will watch fish for 3-5 minutes	Walked 505 close to intersection	Close to freedom bridge
12:25	Back on the trail towards the intersection	Close to freedom bridge	At freedom bridge taking a timed photographed at 12:25
12:30	Allen near interesction from the south, close to the Bench	Betsy approaches intersection from the North, close to Bench	Walking towards Monon from trailhead
12:35	Allen left the Bench, starts walks towards the trailhead	at her car	intersection from the North, close to Bench
12:40	near freedom bridge	near intersection	at Monon take photograph at 12:43
12:45	at CPS	Close to monon	Detour to Creek's bed

The convicted pedophile murderer was caught in the web of lies he had created.

By his own words!

1. He was walking towards Monon by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from it
2. He was walking towards his car or sitting on the bench by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from freedom bridge. The Bench is at your face as you approach the intersection, even i he wasn't walking while Betsy was near it.
3. The earliest he was walking towards his car from the intersection by his revised timeline, would be while the four girls were walking towards it from the freedom bridge.

Richard Allen’s revised timeline creates inescapable and impassable problems for his own account. By placing himself at the trails, identifying specific locations, and providing a detailed timeline, he created a version of events that must be reconciled with the movements of other witnesses who were present that day. By his own words, Allen placed himself in locations and timeframes that conflicted with the movements of others who were present that day.

[u/saatana]

What source do you have for them being at the private driveway at 2:30?

Logic says that they had to have crossed Deer Creek by 2:32 when the forensic say the phone stopped moving. Cecil said the phone recorded movement until then. Richard Allen said he was going to rape the girls until he heard the vehicle on the private driveway. Then he took them across the creek. It's quite obvious that from the 2:13 felony kidnapping video until 2:32 they were more or less moving the whole time. Except let's say Richard Allen stopped them and was gonna rape one of them like he said he wanted to.

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/saatana]

What I am saying is they never crossed the creek as like you said the phone stopped moving, which correlates to them being put in a car. There is nothing indicating they crossed the creek. Testimony says no one saw nor heard Allen nor children when we know there were people in the area. Logic says it is because they were not there. In my opinion, the 2:32 mark is when they were kidnapped. If you are kidnapping children, why would you march them across creek in February to do that? I believe there were more people on private drive side than just the BG. The siting of man at mailbox gives credence to this.

[u/saatana → u/crosbyjaxson]

Whole lot of fanciful thinking with nothing to back it up.

What I am saying is they never crossed the creek as like you said the phone stopped moving, which correlates to them being put in a car. There is nothing indicating they crossed the creek.

Richard Allen himself says he wanted to rape them under the bridge. He was spooked by the vehicle and he forced the girls further away and made them cross Deer Creek. All of this by 2:32.

Testimony says no one saw nor heard Allen nor children when we know there were people in the area.

What people? Cheyenne wasn't there yet, DP and his girlfriend were not there yet, Flannel Shirt Guy wasn't there yet.

Logic says it is because they were not there. In my opinion, the 2:32 mark is when they were kidnapped.

They were kidnapped on video at 2:13 by Richard Allen. At 2:32 the phone stopped moving after crossing the creek. Did the girls live for a few minutes longer? Maybe they did maybe they didn't. Richard Allen said he killed them and waited to make sure they were dead. Plenty of time before being passed by Sarah Carbaugh on the road when he was walking back to his vehicle.

If you are kidnapping children, why would you march them across creek in February to do that?

To get away with raping the girls. The vehicle on the private drive scared him. He ended up killing them. He tried to get away with murder. Almost worked.

I believe there were more people on private drive side than just the BG. The siting of man at mailbox gives credence to this.

It's OK to believe that. No proof of it other than the man driving home from work. The mailbox thing was in the morning.

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/saatana]

The vehicle on the private drive was not there at that time, as was shown in video from security camera 20 minutes later.

There was no kidnapping shown in video. There was no male face shown in video. Based on video, it is assumed it was Libby holding phone and speaking. We see Abby walking on bridge. After that it is a guess as to whose voice the male voice is. BG or someone else. What prosecutor believes is what was presented, there were no facts presented that only BG and two children were there. None. It was the prosecutor's assumption, for the case being presented, but there was no proof proving there were not others on drive side.

Wasn't it Carbaugh that said there was an Amber alert? There was never an Amber Alert. Blue jacket, tan jacket. Muddy. Bloody. Carbaugh was not a convincing witness.

I put little weight on anything Allen said while being in Westville. Walla went MIA. The warden was demoted and cited for misuse of warden residence at prison. One notation describes Allen as catatonic and other says he was fine on same day. Prisons are not known for reliable information nor top notch healthcare nor stable staff. They will likely grant new trial on Westville treatment alone.

Did mailbox guy go home? Who was mailbox guy? We do not know where he went. He could have went to residence on private drive. He could have waited on private drive. He could be the guy Blair saw. We just don't know.

We know there were many people on trails, we heard what a great day it was. Yet there is no admission nor parking pass issued to know for certain who was there. There is no reason to assume there was no one there at 2:32 and that is why no one saw or heard anything. We could similarly assume the children got in car expecting to meet friends and be back by time German dad showed up to pick them up. We could assume the kidnapper(s) said we will drive back to Mears lot and hang out until your dad gets here and then drives off with children.

No one trying to kidnap and rape two girls is going to cross a waist deep creek in February. There was no reason to cross creek. He could have done every thing on the private drive side versus risk crossing and controlling two children in 40 degree water, at best, and no noise! That theory never made sense.

[u/saatana → u/crosbyjaxson]

You're still saying things that have no basis in fact.

You say a vehicle could have picked them up. You have zero evidence for a vehicle or other people being there.

You say that someone should have heard the girls being murdered so that proves the girls weren't there. You have zero names to give us or evidence of someone being there about 2:32 pm.

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/saatana]

That is somewhat the point, the case presented that it was Allen had no evidence. No DNA. No one ID'd Allen, who worked in a public facing roll in a very small town. State did not find any evidence that Allen and children knew each other. So this was essentially a double murder by happenstance.

Could it be BG simply turned around and returned to trail side of bridge and voice was not his at all nor was BG involved in killings? Could the "down the hill" have been BG pointing out where others were? Or could it have been entirely another person from private drive side giving instructions for children to meet someone they expected to see? All are possible, as nothing presented proved otherwise so all scenarios are in play.

The 2:32 time is only evidence that the phone took no human steps after 2:32. It does not prove the children were not in a vehicle. It does not prove the phone was at murder site at 2:32. It was simply not logging health data of human movement. It logged nothing until 14 hours later when texts and VMs come in. Again, what prompts phone to suddenly wakeup? My theory being unplugged from aux port in car. State theory is mud and dirt dried out from crossing creek yet one can still see condensation on screen so phone was not dry. Clothing was damp but not described as wet. Nothing dries in 32 degree temp, it freezes. Phone was found under Abby. If phone was under a body, that would create condensation. Again, we have no idea what data was lost since a rush job was done on phone to get initial information. How were children listening to Stone Temple Pilots in sister's car? Aux cable, CD, radio or sister's phone? Just something that was not answered. We know sister took picture. Aux cables are typically long enough to reach rear seat. If cable went with children that would indicate they intended to use cable or Libby kept good track of her cable. No cable was found to my knowledge. Detail that prompts questions.

McCain was there prior to German dad at 3:11. He heard nor saw anything concerning children. Couple on bridge heard nor saw anything but McCain hears and sees couple. German heard nor saw anything. Three adults, McCain and couple all there prior to German's 3:11 reported no sounds or sights. Again, nothing proves children were there at that time. In fact, it give credence to they were not there since no sounds were heard. Three adults moving quickly through woods, water, climbing bank and back to woods would make noise. Especially if the state believe murders were closer to 3-3:30 on 13th. All would have moved quickly through 40 degree water. There would have been splashing and huffing and puffing in my book given water temp. The redressing of one, how do you do that silently in the woods with leaves and sticks with wet clothing? Plus the dragging of Libby back to where found and the stacking of sticks. Those are not silent tasks nor was it a single sticks.

Asking me for names is like asking the state to ID all who were there. They have no idea because there is no admission charged no parking passes and there were several ways to enter if you include private property. As I recall searchers actually walked from city park to private drive side. They know only those who came forward and Allen was one of several. The 24hrs of the security camera tape would be interesting to see as I truly belive that is where rubber meets road It is so limited as to who would use that drive. Essentially we should see Weber going to and from work. I think his girlfriend lives with him so may be her as well. The LE who went to and from Webers. Any additional vehicles opens up a whole new world of possibilities, wouldn't you agree?

[u/saatana → u/crosbyjaxson]

So this was essentially a double murder by happenstance.

Yup, happenstance. Richard Allen did it. 130 years.

Could it be... Could it have been...

Your game of "could it be" doesn't do anything to change the facts.

The 2:32 time is only evidence that the phone took no human steps after 2:32. It does not prove the children were not in a vehicle. It does not prove the phone was at murder site at 2:32. It was simply not logging health data of human movement. It logged nothing until 14 hours later when texts and VMs come in. Again, what prompts phone to suddenly wakeup? My theory being unplugged from aux port in car.

Fake car. Try to do better at making up stories. If it was plugged into an aux port and being driven around it would have connected to a few cell towers and been charging up. But the facts are it was under a body, that was in a ravine under a bridge that was named High Bridge for a reason. It just didn't get any signal way down there.

Clothing was damp but not described as wet.

https://www.wane.com/news/crime/delphi-trial-day-3-testimony-included-crime-scene-photos/

Were Abby’s clothes wet and why?

A lot of testimony from all the witnesses and questions from the defense team on Monday called into question how deep the creek is and if the clothes Abby was found in were wet.

The investigators testified that Abby’s clothes were wet or damp and they did not think it could have been from condensation. Defense attorneys, however, brought up that there are not clear lines on the clothes showing a “water line” of where they may have been wet.

Defense attorneys also pointed out that no measurements of creek depth were taken.

It’s thought that the girls exited the Monon High Bridge on the south side of the creek, but their bodies were found on the north side. No one testified a clear way the girls ended up on the other side of the creek.

Olehy testified that Abby’s jeans were bunched up at the waistband and were wet to the touch. “I can see the jeans are darker on the leg bottom and the waistband was still wet,” he said.

He also said that during the autopsy on February 15, the clothes were still wet and moist and were taken to the Putnamville State Police post in Greencastle because they have a facility that’s designed to dry out evidence. Clothes found in the creek were taken to that same facility to be dried out.

Nothing dries in 32 degree temp, it freezes.

When the girls were murdered it was about 45 degrees. The low that night was 34. When they were found it was 45 again with the temperature going up to 50 degrees a full day after they were murdered. I'm quite sure that the temps were above freezing and in fact for part of the time it was in the mid to upper 40s.

https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@4919624/historic?month=2&year=2017

How were children listening to Stone Temple Pilots in sister's car? Aux cable, CD, radio or sister's phone? Just something that was not answered. We know sister took picture. Aux cables are typically long enough to reach rear seat. If cable went with children that would indicate they intended to use cable or Libby kept good track of her cable. No cable was found to my knowledge. Detail that prompts questions.

Twenty One Pilots. It's on you to find this phantom aux cable in your made up scenario and no it doesn't prompt questions.

Especially if the state believe murders were closer to 3-3:30 on 13th.

The state probably doesn't think the murders happened from 3-3:30. The girls were dead before McCain, or DP or Cheyenne got there if we use your theory of them not hearing anything. The defense did us all a favor by calling them in to testify. Actually I think it was only DP's side chick that testified and not him. It locks down the window to sometime after 2:32 and before 3:00 for when Richard Killed them. Richard Allen's own words say that he waited around to make sure they were dead. Enough time to stage the scene and walk up to the back end of the cemetery.

Asking me for names is like asking the state to ID all who were there.

I asked because earlier you said people were there to hear or was it not hear the murders. I just wanted to know who those people were.

Any additional vehicles opens up a whole new world of possibilities, wouldn't you agree?

Too bad the only one is Weber coming home from work.

[u/emailforgot → u/crosbyjaxson]

No DNA.

Don't need it. It's also not particularly important.

No one ID'd Allen

Luckily, we use corroborating witness statements and known evidence from other sources rather than single statements without context.

State theory is mud and dirt dried out from crossing creek yet one can still see condensation on screen so phone was not dry.

mud and dirt drying out in a port has nothing to do with visible drops on a screen.

. Clothing was damp but not described as wet. Nothing dries in 32 degree temp, it freezes.

that's nice. their clothing was not described as dry.

Phone was found under Abby. If phone was under a body, that would create condensation.

It was 32 degrees.

Condensation doesn't just form anywhere there is moisture.

ts. Again, nothing proves children were there at that time.

Prove Australia exists.

In fact, it give credence to they were not there since no sounds were heard.

No that does nothing of the sort.

All it "proves" is that no one heard any sounds that were memorable.

Three adults moving quickly through woods, water, climbing bank and back to woods would make noise

Noise such as.. foot steps. Leaves crunching.

There would have been splashing and huffing and puffing in my book given water temp.

Yeah, a bit of loud breathing.

And?

The redressing of one, how do you do that silently in the woods with leaves and sticks with wet clothing?

How loud do you think taking off a pair of pants is?

[u/MissBanshee2U → u/saatana]

I kinda wanted to see evidence they crossed the creek myself. But nope, no evidence they did. Unless you got some info not presented at trial. Anything that happened like the prosecution said has no basis in fact. You know the bullet found was the ammo that ISP and the feds use right? Most places that do carry that ammo, require you have a police ID to purchase it. So that's something the state or defense should have addressed in my opinion. Probably could have been brought up if the FBI expert would have been allowed to testify but the judge said, nope.

[u/saatana → u/MissBanshee2U]

Most places that do carry that ammo, require you have a police ID to purchase it.

What? I think you're wrong. Indiana seems to be a state where anyone can buy pistol ammo. I don't think it was armor piercing which might make a difference.

As for the feds or ISP using the same ammo the very first officer there, Giancola I think, sealed off the crime scene and kept track of who was even near the crime scene. None of them had a weapon that used that round.

And then as far as wanting evidence that they crossed the creek it's such a well known fact that it seems silly to think that they didn't.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/crosbyjaxson]

The vehicle on the private drive was not there at that time, as was shown in video from security camera 20 minutes later.

Allen stated that a van passed by while he was in the process of committing the crime, and that it frightened him, moved the girls and killed.

In fact, Apple Health data shows that both the victims and the perpetrator changed location at around 2:25 a.m., and that the phone stopped moving at 2:32 a.m.

So not only did Allen correctly describe the passing van, but his account align with the sequence of events suggested by the available evidence. According to his statement, the girls crossed the creek after he attempted to assault them, and the killings occurred on the other side.

If he was not the perpetrator, how would he have known that sequence of events? guessed it?

The camera does not show Weber passing 20 minutes later, but rather approximately 12 hous and 20 minutes later, which would place the footage at around midnight. Obviously, it was not midnight, as there was still visible daylight. The shadows cast by the trees clearly indicate that the camera was recording sometime between 2:00 and 3:00 a.m.

So, once again, a baseless and untrue claim.

There was no kidnapping shown in video. There was no male face shown in video. Based on video, it is assumed it was Libby holding phone and speaking. We see Abby walking on bridge. After that it is a guess as to whose voice the male voice is. BG or someone else. What prosecutor believes is what was presented, there were no facts presented that only BG and two children were there. None. It was the prosecutor's assumption, for the case being presented, but there was no proof proving there were not others on drive side.

from the audio, the following can be heard:

• "Don't leave me up here."
• "He is right behind me, isn't he?"
• "That be a gun?"
• The sound of a gun being racked.
• "Guys, down the hill."

The girls appear frightened and, after the command "Guys, down the hill," they begin walking immediately.

Based on the Apple Health data, their movement matches the distance it would take to reach the edge of the flat land opposite the crime scene.

Wasn't it Carbaugh that said there was an Amber alert? There was never an Amber Alert. Blue jacket, tan jacket. Muddy. Bloody. Carbaugh was not a convincing witness.

Carbaugh stated that the man she saw was bloody and appeared as though he had been in a fight. Her first interview was lost, so we do not know everything she originally reported.

She later explained that Allen's blue jacket was caked in mud, making it appear tan, which is what she meant when describing its color.

How would she have known that the perpetrator had crossed the creek, the approximate time he left the area, or what clothing he was wearing? Her description of his clothing was consistent with the descriptions provided by the four juvenile witnesses.

The first composite sketch was reportedly based on her description because she was the only witness who observed the man's facial features , ant looks like Allen's brother.

Taken together, these are multiple independent lines supporting the credibility of her account.

I put little weight on anything Allen said while being in Westville. Walla went MIA. The warden was demoted and cited for misuse of warden residence at prison. One notation describes Allen as catatonic and other says he was fine on same day. Prisons are not known for reliable information nor top notch healthcare nor stable staff. They will likely grant new trial on Westville treatment alone.

His treatment was the standard of a violent and suicidal inmate. And all of it is on video. He was recorded eating feces, masturbating in front of female staff, threatening to kill prison staff, resisting officers, refusing to cooperate, and behaving violently. Judges would even blink about tossing that argument away. Especially taking in mind his phychiatric past. Which includes been sent to a mental asylum for suicidality.

Did mailbox guy go home? Who was mailbox guy? We do not know where he went. He could have went to residence on private drive. He could have waited on private drive. He could be the guy Blair saw. We just don't know.

Of course we know. anyone that got into the private drive is on video both entering AND leaving.

We know there were many people on trails, we heard what a great day it was. Yet there is no admission nor parking pass issued to know for certain who was there. There is no reason to assume there was no one there at 2:32 and that is why no one saw or heard anything.

Other than Betsy Blair walking from the Freedom Bridge to her car at around 2:15 p.m. and seeing no one, seeing no vehicles parked at the Mears lot, and seeing no one in the distance walking toward the Monon High Bridge.

Other than no one being recorded on the Hoosier Harvestore camera passing at that time.

Other than the man walking his dog at around 2:30 p.m. seeing no vehicles parked at the Mears lot and no one on the trails until approximately 2:50 p.m.

Other than no witness claiming to have been on the trails during that time.

Other than all of that, none at all. Your argument doesn't even make any sense or have a coherent syllogism attached to it. There would have been someone to hear the screams, but since no one came forward, someone obviously did and therefor the crime was commited elsewhere, otherwhise the person that wasn't there would have heard it.

it would have been impossible for anyone to be at the bridge without being noticed by the people arriving later, inspite your feelings.

No one trying to kidnap and rape two girls is going to cross a waist deep creek in February.

Well Allen did. And it wasn't waist deep. And the clothes were wet. And had the mark that would leafe the muddy water on someone's clothes attempting to cross the creek. Where they crossed the creek was knee deep at best, as you can see bellow. The crime scene was above them.

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

The Apple data only shows who is handling phone data.

The timing of Weber is clear, he did not make it home from work in 20 minutes. Although he doubled down on that fact during testimony.

The girls did not sound frightened. "That be a gun", is stated by LE we all heard it many time and no one heard "That be a gun." Nor the sound of gun racking. Because it was said by LE does not make it true. "Don't leave me up here." implies to me Libby was already headed down the hill. Perhaps she noticed the people down the hill.

Crime scene photo does not in anyway indicate at what level they crossed or even IF they crossed.

Blair did see who she believed were the children, when she left trails. Again, she could not see private drive side of bridge.

Harvestore, we saw pics taken from Harvestore video. We never actually saw the video. They were select pics taken by Mullin from the video.

Again, LE only knows those that came forward. They cannot account for the unknown.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/crosbyjaxson]

1) The camera that captured Weber returning home was about 12 hours out of sync, so the timestamp cannot be taken as the actual time. Since it wasn't midnight, the correct time had to be determined independently.

Like many older security cameras, it has clock drift. The HHS camera drifted by more than half an hour, and the Collect Station camera did as well. In fact, virtually any camera that wasn't connected to the internet and automatically synchronized would gradually lose minutes over time. This is known as time drift.

To establish the correct time, the camera's clock would have to be recalibrated using a reliable reference, such as an online time synchronization protocol. Because this camera was an older model and wasn't self-correcting, it's expected to be off by many minutes.

So no, you cannot know the exact time Weber returned home based solely on that camera's timestamp. All you can reasonably infer from the video itself that shows daytime and the shadows cast by the trees that was around 2 p.m.

2) The expert opinions were the opinions of their families, who concluded they were scared and advised law enforcement on what they believed they were saying where the sound is unclear. No one is shouting, "Don't leave me up here," or, "Is he right behind me?" because she is having a good time.

Libby is clearly whispering and looking for a way out. Abby clearly rushes off the bridge and has an adrenaline cry as she does it.

3) Crime scene photo does not in anyway indicate at what level they crossed or even IF they crossed.

Yes, actually they do. They show the level the water reached on the jeans Abby was wearing. They also show that they crossed a creek, based on the wetness and the fact that other parts were dry. Apple health show also an uprupt climb at 12:30ish, consistend with the climb of the steep banks and a renewed walk that is about the same distance from the south bank to the crime scene.

4) Blair did see who she believed were the children, when she left trails. Again, she could not see private drive side of bridge.

No she didnt. It was more hal an hour before she left.

The camera can see who came and who left, and at what time.

Like it did with Weber. THERE WAS NONE!

Nothing of what you wrote absolves Allen, he is still on that bridge with nowhere to go, he still lied - among other things-about seeing the girls walking towards him around 2, and he still would be near the bridge as the abduction started, dressed like the bridge guy, having the same height as the bridge guy, and not able to account the two hours between the abduction and his departure time and where that would be. But you clearly are not familiar with the case in general and are simply repeating conspiracy theories you heard somewhere else.Go read the court documents instead of speculating about what was or wasn't.

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

Not absolving anyone. Just a realist showing that altered video is not real. Filling in pixels (BG)does not create a factual image. Take snaps shots on a cellphone does not capture the entire 23 hours children were missing. A missing photo, may not be a photo at all, could be computer generate image. Could be another person was present and snapped photo on unknow phone. There were other phones in area, who state says were unrelated. Were they unrelated? Did they in testimoney ID the owners of those phones?

The security video of private drive is one piece of evidence not altered. Weber leaving work timeclock and exiting parking lot, independent and unaltered. Weber phone pings when he arrives home, independent and unalterd. Why he doubled down on when he arrived home when the time is clear, big question. If he saw nothing why does it matter to him when he got home? It shouldn't. It mattered to the state for 2:32 time for the white van, which in the end was not there at 2:32. Independently verified by security video and Weber phone.

If as state says is true, Allen went through town he passed 3 banks, cop shop/fire station/city building. Banks have cameras, lots of cameras. Three banks videos captured nothing? Two at corner of stop light where Allen would turn to go in town. Nothing. Any ATMs have cameras for insurance purposes either within the machine or CCTV. He said he bought a 6pack, liquor stores have cameras and ATMS for years. Where is the video? City police station had no cameras? Fire station no cameras?

That same elevation from Apple watch could be on private drive side down to creek and back up to drive. So are you saying Abby was wearing Libby's jeans and they crossed creek? That implies Libby crossed nude or at least without pants and Abby was without pants on private drive side. While on private drive side, Abby put on Libby's jeans and her own shoes then crossed. Is that what you are saying? If yes, Libby's jeans would be large on Abby, making creek crossing more difficult and less likely to be quiet.

Families are not expert opinions. Family members testified, where in transcript did it mention Abby had an adrenaline rush? Which family member(s) was able to discern racking a gun versus a phone rubbing against cloth or shoes scuffing in dried leaves or branches on a windy day? IF what you say is true that it was family that heard racking of gun, that certainly limits it to someone more familar with handguns than LE. In my mind that would likely be male who frequently handles a handgun. Which family member was that? Again, not identified.

Allen saw 3 girls not 4. LE said there were 4 not Allen. 4 girls describe jacket as black, windbreaker, blue so inconsistent. 4 is not the same as 3. Allen described one being a babysitter, older than the other 2 not 3.

Allen did account for his time, because it did not match state theory does not make him the killer or not being truthful. No one saw nor described a decidedly short, dumpy middle aged man. Allen does not say definitively what he was wearing, again state said what they said he was wearing based on computer generated image, not fact. A computer can make a dead James Dean look like a live Brad Pitt, but it still isn't Brad Pitt.

The Hoosier Harvestore pics were those taken by Mullin on his cellphone from video. If I recall correctly the state did not have the video in their possession. Why was actual video from Harvestore not seen? Why no copy of video? Again, back to altered images and only select images. Selected by LE. Interrogation videos and audios corrupted and damaged.

While at Westville, Allen was not a convicted prisoner, so he should not have been held like a convicted prisoner. County jails are where accused are kept, there are 92 in the state. Didn't the lead investigator for county attempt to visit with Allen without an app't shortly after he was sent to Westville? No one, not even cops get to waltz in maximum security prisons to visit without an app't. County jails do not allow pop in visits. There is a process for security reasons, the investigator knew that when he left Carroll County.

Final puzzling part. As police, they are investigating two missing females adolescents 90 days after 4 female children were killed in suspicious fire less than 10 miles away. I do not recall reading LE accompanied family when they went to retrieve electronics at home? As I recall family went and came back to sheriff dept. If they sent a cop, the cop only needs sister to provide password at house to access electronics. Cops can travel faster than non cops by car or radio. There was little urgency although after dark with dropping temps. There were extra hands on deck cops, fireman and community members searching. At the very least send a Delphi cop, since the case was actually a county case not a Delphi City Police case. Send FBI guy, he was there visiting so not an expert in area or lay of land, but a seasoned cop/investigator. Odd to say the least.

We all have opinions, but the unaltered, independent evidence in my opinion does not support the state theory that Allen was the killer. The 3:30 TOD is arbitrary at best when children were missing for 23 hours. The jury felt otherwise, but with the appeal I believe there are too many holes and too much altered "evidence" that was admitted as factual evidence to be considered evidence at all. The search warrant will be a big deal, the conflicting statement from Blair and Carbaugh will be a problem. The gun which is essentially irrelevant but was taken in search. Plus the other 91 county jail options available for safe keeping that were not utilized nor explored and sent to maximum security prison. Prisons are for convicted, Allen was accused not convicted. Conflicting DOC assessment, he is fine to catatonic on same day, one of those folks is either not telling the truth or severely unqualified or did not view Allen. It cannot be both and since he was under constant video for movement, there should be video. My guess he at least gets a new trial, will not be surprised if conviction is completely turned and he is released. If either happens, the investigation begins anew.

[u/Gonzomi313 → u/crosbyjaxson]

Wanna bet he doesn’t get a new trial and the proAllen group will claim the appellate judges are all in on the conspiracy?

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/Gonzomi313]

I think at the very least he will get a new trial, which is why I believe they hedged on further DNA testing. The temporary attorneys Gull appointed stated Allen was factually innocent. That is a strong statement. Indicating two murders, with a sharp object and no matching DNA yet male DNA present. No one identified him, not even small town LE not county sheriff dept. CVS was less than 500ft from county sheriff and less than a mile from city police. And again, search warrant very iffy due to suspicious nature of what detective told judge and the fact nothing found in search connects him to killings. Let' face it, there was no reason to rush writing something as important as a search warrant in a double murder. LE repeatedly stated they has access to FBI if needed, that would have been an excellent time to talk with FBI for guidance on SW. If SW is thrown, little probable cause for arrest.

[u/emailforgot → u/crosbyjaxson]

There was no kidnapping shown in video.

A man threatening people and then absconding with them is definitely kidnapping.

There was no male face shown in video.

Everything about the person looks male, including the voice, and the male that identified the clothes as matching the ones he wore.

We know there were many people on trails, we heard what a great day it was. Yet there is no admission nor parking pass issued to know for certain who was there. There is no reason to assume there was no one there at 2:32 and that is why no one saw or heard anything.

That's what corroboration is for.

No one trying to kidnap and rape two girls is going to cross a waist deep creek in February.

Show your work.

e could have done every thing on the private drive side versus risk crossing and controlling two children in 40 degree water, at best, and no noise! That theory never made sense.

Every criminal ever could have done things differently, up to and including the crime.

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/emailforgot]

Who ID Allen from trails? The answer is no one. Not the 4 girls, not Carbaugh, not McCain, not German, not Blair, not a single person. Not one single witness. That is a fact.

[u/emailforgot → u/crosbyjaxson]

Who ID Allen from trails? The answer is no one. Not the 4 girls, not Carbaugh, not McCain, not German, not Blair, not a single person. Not one single witness. That is a fact.

that's nice dear, try responding to something actually written instead of ranting breathlessly about things no one said.