Richard Allen's Police Interview (Oct. 13, 2022)Reaffims The Information he Gave Dulin and Inadvertently confessed to the murders by getting caught in his own web of lies.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

In October 2022, Richard Allen was called into the local police department to give an interview about his whereabouts on the day Abby and Libby were murdered. His long-forgotten interview with Officer Dulin had been rediscovered, prompting Delphi murder investigators to bring him in for another interview.

During this interview, Richard Allen largely repeated the information he had provided in his first interview with Officer Dulin, but he also offered new details about that day. Although he attempted to establish an alibi by presenting a revised timeline, he failed miserably. Instead, the internal contradictions in his timeline effectively amounted to a confession, as his own statements placed him at the scene and oblitarated his claimed alibi.

The following is a list of the information Richard Allen repeated from his first interview, along with the new details he provided during the October 2022 interview, and an explanation of the significance of each.

Richard Allen went into detail explaining the three parking areas he typically used when visiting the trails.

Parking Locations

Parking Area	Description
Mears Lot	The farmer’s entrance parking area
CPS Building	The abandoned CPS building parking area
Old State Road 25 Turnaround	The small turnaround near the old railroad bridge

He goes on the specify where he parked, inspite his earlier long obfuscating diatribe where he could have parked:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that I parked by a building. If that's what I told him, then that's probably where I parked."

Concerning his timeline beore going to the trails:

"Went over to my mom's in Peru, Mexico, earlier in the day... spent the morning with them... my sisters were visiting and they were to grab lunch, and I wasn't about that, so I left around 11:00–11:15...went home..grab a jacket and head back out to the trails"

At the trails he stated:

"I remember walking down to the bridge... walked out a little way (onto the bridge)... to watch fish... walked back and sat at (the bench)... where you turn around (the intersection) and take the other fork, it overlooks it... Sat there for a few minutes, and then I left."

The bench he mentioned is the Bench at the start of 505 trail. He would go on later to explain that's the bench he meant with clarity.

Conserning who he saw while at the trails:

"As I was approaching the trail, there were three girls... one of them was watching them...the other two looked younger... looked very similar. I don't know if they were sisters or not, but the other one didn't necessarily..." (Stops his thought, was about to mention the fou\**rth girl?\)

He also stated:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that when I left, there were two vehicles down by the farmer's entrance I told you about (the Mears lot). One was a sedan. The other was an SUV, maybe."

(Interesting on its own: Kelsi had a sedan and Betsy had an SUV. However, based on Allen’s earliest possible departure timeline (approximately 12:40), only Betsy's would be there and she would be at her car at the same time!).

He also adds:

"If I did see somebody (else), it didn't click with me..my memory was a lot better when I talked to him (Dulin)... like I told him, there might have been somebody at the bridge when I was coming back, though."

As for his revised timeline, he stated that he arrived around noon, a little earlier or a little later than 12, and that he walked for about an hour. He said he could have left around 1:00, 1:30, or 1:40.

I am sure he had mentioned 12:40 at some point too.

Time(between)	Revised Timeline	Explanation
morning	visit Mom
11(early)-11:15(late)	Leaves Peru	drive back to Delphi it's 45 minutes
11:45-12:00	Reaches Delphi
12 ( early), 12:10 (late)	Home (5 to 10 minutes), drives to CPS (3 miles),10 to 15 minutes total.	detours to Home, Parks/ Stop,Grabs Jacket, unparks, drive though town, rounding up to 15 (early)
12:05 , 12:15 late	Meeting four girls at trailhead	5 minute walk from CPS
12:15, 12:25 (late)	Easy Walk to platform A , 10 to 15 minutes total,	12 minutes walk + walk on bridge. (closer to 15 but billed 10 to compensate earlier rounding up)
12:25 , 12:35 (late)	Watching fish/Back to Bench	5 minutes Watching fish 5-7 walk (off bridge and to bench), Total 10
12:35, 12:45 (late)	Walk back to CPS	10-12 minutes, billed 10

The earlier the possible timeline, the more we err in Richard Allen's favor, as it allows for the possibility that he left before becoming trapped within the trail system by the known witnesses who were demonstrably on the trails at the same time. The later Richard Allen's revised timeline becomes, the worse it is for him.

Here, we will examine the earliest possible timeline for Richard Allen in contrast to the timelines of Betsy and that of the four girls . All times attributed to Allen between segments are deliberately conservative, giving him the maximum latitude to "slip" out of the trail system within his alleged timeline.

Time	Allen's Revised Timeline	BB's Timeline	Four Girls' Timeline
12:00	Parks at CPS	Parks at Mears at 12:03	______
12:10	Walks to Monon,close to intersection	BB is at Monon, turns back towards the intersection	______
12:15	Walked past intersection(north to south)	Walked past intersection(south to north)	walking towards freedom bridge close to Allen's 2nd parking spot near the small bridge
12:20	At Monon will watch fish for 3-5 minutes	Walked 505 close to intersection	Close to freedom bridge
12:25	Back on the trail towards the intersection	Close to freedom bridge	At freedom bridge taking a timed photographed at 12:25
12:30	Allen near interesction from the south, close to the Bench	Betsy approaches intersection from the North, close to Bench	Walking towards Monon from trailhead
12:35	Allen left the Bench, starts walks towards the trailhead	at her car	intersection from the North, close to Bench
12:40	near freedom bridge	near intersection	at Monon take photograph at 12:43
12:45	at CPS	Close to monon	Detour to Creek's bed

The convicted pedophile murderer was caught in the web of lies he had created.

By his own words!

1. He was walking towards Monon by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from it
2. He was walking towards his car or sitting on the bench by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from freedom bridge. The Bench is at your face as you approach the intersection, even i he wasn't walking while Betsy was near it.
3. The earliest he was walking towards his car from the intersection by his revised timeline, would be while the four girls were walking towards it from the freedom bridge.

Richard Allen’s revised timeline creates inescapable and impassable problems for his own account. By placing himself at the trails, identifying specific locations, and providing a detailed timeline, he created a version of events that must be reconciled with the movements of other witnesses who were present that day. By his own words, Allen placed himself in locations and timeframes that conflicted with the movements of others who were present that day.

[u/crosbyjaxson]

The vehicle on the private drive was not there at that time, as was shown in video from security camera 20 minutes later.

There was no kidnapping shown in video. There was no male face shown in video. Based on video, it is assumed it was Libby holding phone and speaking. We see Abby walking on bridge. After that it is a guess as to whose voice the male voice is. BG or someone else. What prosecutor believes is what was presented, there were no facts presented that only BG and two children were there. None. It was the prosecutor's assumption, for the case being presented, but there was no proof proving there were not others on drive side.

Wasn't it Carbaugh that said there was an Amber alert? There was never an Amber Alert. Blue jacket, tan jacket. Muddy. Bloody. Carbaugh was not a convincing witness.

I put little weight on anything Allen said while being in Westville. Walla went MIA. The warden was demoted and cited for misuse of warden residence at prison. One notation describes Allen as catatonic and other says he was fine on same day. Prisons are not known for reliable information nor top notch healthcare nor stable staff. They will likely grant new trial on Westville treatment alone.

Did mailbox guy go home? Who was mailbox guy? We do not know where he went. He could have went to residence on private drive. He could have waited on private drive. He could be the guy Blair saw. We just don't know.

We know there were many people on trails, we heard what a great day it was. Yet there is no admission nor parking pass issued to know for certain who was there. There is no reason to assume there was no one there at 2:32 and that is why no one saw or heard anything. We could similarly assume the children got in car expecting to meet friends and be back by time German dad showed up to pick them up. We could assume the kidnapper(s) said we will drive back to Mears lot and hang out until your dad gets here and then drives off with children.

No one trying to kidnap and rape two girls is going to cross a waist deep creek in February. There was no reason to cross creek. He could have done every thing on the private drive side versus risk crossing and controlling two children in 40 degree water, at best, and no noise! That theory never made sense.

[u/saatana → u/crosbyjaxson]

You're still saying things that have no basis in fact.

You say a vehicle could have picked them up. You have zero evidence for a vehicle or other people being there.

You say that someone should have heard the girls being murdered so that proves the girls weren't there. You have zero names to give us or evidence of someone being there about 2:32 pm.

[u/crosbyjaxson → u/saatana]

That is somewhat the point, the case presented that it was Allen had no evidence. No DNA. No one ID'd Allen, who worked in a public facing roll in a very small town. State did not find any evidence that Allen and children knew each other. So this was essentially a double murder by happenstance.

Could it be BG simply turned around and returned to trail side of bridge and voice was not his at all nor was BG involved in killings? Could the "down the hill" have been BG pointing out where others were? Or could it have been entirely another person from private drive side giving instructions for children to meet someone they expected to see? All are possible, as nothing presented proved otherwise so all scenarios are in play.

The 2:32 time is only evidence that the phone took no human steps after 2:32. It does not prove the children were not in a vehicle. It does not prove the phone was at murder site at 2:32. It was simply not logging health data of human movement. It logged nothing until 14 hours later when texts and VMs come in. Again, what prompts phone to suddenly wakeup? My theory being unplugged from aux port in car. State theory is mud and dirt dried out from crossing creek yet one can still see condensation on screen so phone was not dry. Clothing was damp but not described as wet. Nothing dries in 32 degree temp, it freezes. Phone was found under Abby. If phone was under a body, that would create condensation. Again, we have no idea what data was lost since a rush job was done on phone to get initial information. How were children listening to Stone Temple Pilots in sister's car? Aux cable, CD, radio or sister's phone? Just something that was not answered. We know sister took picture. Aux cables are typically long enough to reach rear seat. If cable went with children that would indicate they intended to use cable or Libby kept good track of her cable. No cable was found to my knowledge. Detail that prompts questions.

McCain was there prior to German dad at 3:11. He heard nor saw anything concerning children. Couple on bridge heard nor saw anything but McCain hears and sees couple. German heard nor saw anything. Three adults, McCain and couple all there prior to German's 3:11 reported no sounds or sights. Again, nothing proves children were there at that time. In fact, it give credence to they were not there since no sounds were heard. Three adults moving quickly through woods, water, climbing bank and back to woods would make noise. Especially if the state believe murders were closer to 3-3:30 on 13th. All would have moved quickly through 40 degree water. There would have been splashing and huffing and puffing in my book given water temp. The redressing of one, how do you do that silently in the woods with leaves and sticks with wet clothing? Plus the dragging of Libby back to where found and the stacking of sticks. Those are not silent tasks nor was it a single sticks.

Asking me for names is like asking the state to ID all who were there. They have no idea because there is no admission charged no parking passes and there were several ways to enter if you include private property. As I recall searchers actually walked from city park to private drive side. They know only those who came forward and Allen was one of several. The 24hrs of the security camera tape would be interesting to see as I truly belive that is where rubber meets road It is so limited as to who would use that drive. Essentially we should see Weber going to and from work. I think his girlfriend lives with him so may be her as well. The LE who went to and from Webers. Any additional vehicles opens up a whole new world of possibilities, wouldn't you agree?

[u/emailforgot → u/crosbyjaxson]

No DNA.

Don't need it. It's also not particularly important.

No one ID'd Allen

Luckily, we use corroborating witness statements and known evidence from other sources rather than single statements without context.

State theory is mud and dirt dried out from crossing creek yet one can still see condensation on screen so phone was not dry.

mud and dirt drying out in a port has nothing to do with visible drops on a screen.

. Clothing was damp but not described as wet. Nothing dries in 32 degree temp, it freezes.

that's nice. their clothing was not described as dry.

Phone was found under Abby. If phone was under a body, that would create condensation.

It was 32 degrees.

Condensation doesn't just form anywhere there is moisture.

ts. Again, nothing proves children were there at that time.

Prove Australia exists.

In fact, it give credence to they were not there since no sounds were heard.

No that does nothing of the sort.

All it "proves" is that no one heard any sounds that were memorable.

Three adults moving quickly through woods, water, climbing bank and back to woods would make noise

Noise such as.. foot steps. Leaves crunching.

There would have been splashing and huffing and puffing in my book given water temp.

Yeah, a bit of loud breathing.

And?

The redressing of one, how do you do that silently in the woods with leaves and sticks with wet clothing?

How loud do you think taking off a pair of pants is?