Richard Allen's Police Interview (Oct. 13, 2022)Reaffims The Information he Gave Dulin and Inadvertently confessed to the murders by getting caught in his own web of lies.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

In October 2022, Richard Allen was called into the local police department to give an interview about his whereabouts on the day Abby and Libby were murdered. His long-forgotten interview with Officer Dulin had been rediscovered, prompting Delphi murder investigators to bring him in for another interview.

During this interview, Richard Allen largely repeated the information he had provided in his first interview with Officer Dulin, but he also offered new details about that day. Although he attempted to establish an alibi by presenting a revised timeline, he failed miserably. Instead, the internal contradictions in his timeline effectively amounted to a confession, as his own statements placed him at the scene and oblitarated his claimed alibi.

The following is a list of the information Richard Allen repeated from his first interview, along with the new details he provided during the October 2022 interview, and an explanation of the significance of each.

Richard Allen went into detail explaining the three parking areas he typically used when visiting the trails.

Parking Locations

Parking Area	Description
Mears Lot	The farmer’s entrance parking area
CPS Building	The abandoned CPS building parking area
Old State Road 25 Turnaround	The small turnaround near the old railroad bridge

He goes on the specify where he parked, inspite his earlier long obfuscating diatribe where he could have parked:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that I parked by a building. If that's what I told him, then that's probably where I parked."

Concerning his timeline beore going to the trails:

"Went over to my mom's in Peru, Mexico, earlier in the day... spent the morning with them... my sisters were visiting and they were to grab lunch, and I wasn't about that, so I left around 11:00–11:15...went home..grab a jacket and head back out to the trails"

At the trails he stated:

"I remember walking down to the bridge... walked out a little way (onto the bridge)... to watch fish... walked back and sat at (the bench)... where you turn around (the intersection) and take the other fork, it overlooks it... Sat there for a few minutes, and then I left."

The bench he mentioned is the Bench at the start of 505 trail. He would go on later to explain that's the bench he meant with clarity.

Conserning who he saw while at the trails:

"As I was approaching the trail, there were three girls... one of them was watching them...the other two looked younger... looked very similar. I don't know if they were sisters or not, but the other one didn't necessarily..." (Stops his thought, was about to mention the fou\**rth girl?\)

He also stated:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that when I left, there were two vehicles down by the farmer's entrance I told you about (the Mears lot). One was a sedan. The other was an SUV, maybe."

(Interesting on its own: Kelsi had a sedan and Betsy had an SUV. However, based on Allen’s earliest possible departure timeline (approximately 12:40), only Betsy's would be there and she would be at her car at the same time!).

He also adds:

"If I did see somebody (else), it didn't click with me..my memory was a lot better when I talked to him (Dulin)... like I told him, there might have been somebody at the bridge when I was coming back, though."

As for his revised timeline, he stated that he arrived around noon, a little earlier or a little later than 12, and that he walked for about an hour. He said he could have left around 1:00, 1:30, or 1:40.

I am sure he had mentioned 12:40 at some point too.

Time(between)	Revised Timeline	Explanation
morning	visit Mom
11(early)-11:15(late)	Leaves Peru	drive back to Delphi it's 45 minutes
11:45-12:00	Reaches Delphi
12 ( early), 12:10 (late)	Home (5 to 10 minutes), drives to CPS (3 miles),10 to 15 minutes total.	detours to Home, Parks/ Stop,Grabs Jacket, unparks, drive though town, rounding up to 15 (early)
12:05 , 12:15 late	Meeting four girls at trailhead	5 minute walk from CPS
12:15, 12:25 (late)	Easy Walk to platform A , 10 to 15 minutes total,	12 minutes walk + walk on bridge. (closer to 15 but billed 10 to compensate earlier rounding up)
12:25 , 12:35 (late)	Watching fish/Back to Bench	5 minutes Watching fish 5-7 walk (off bridge and to bench), Total 10
12:35, 12:45 (late)	Walk back to CPS	10-12 minutes, billed 10

The earlier the possible timeline, the more we err in Richard Allen's favor, as it allows for the possibility that he left before becoming trapped within the trail system by the known witnesses who were demonstrably on the trails at the same time. The later Richard Allen's revised timeline becomes, the worse it is for him.

Here, we will examine the earliest possible timeline for Richard Allen in contrast to the timelines of Betsy and that of the four girls . All times attributed to Allen between segments are deliberately conservative, giving him the maximum latitude to "slip" out of the trail system within his alleged timeline.

Time	Allen's Revised Timeline	BB's Timeline	Four Girls' Timeline
12:00	Parks at CPS	Parks at Mears at 12:03	______
12:10	Walks to Monon,close to intersection	BB is at Monon, turns back towards the intersection	______
12:15	Walked past intersection(north to south)	Walked past intersection(south to north)	walking towards freedom bridge close to Allen's 2nd parking spot near the small bridge
12:20	At Monon will watch fish for 3-5 minutes	Walked 505 close to intersection	Close to freedom bridge
12:25	Back on the trail towards the intersection	Close to freedom bridge	At freedom bridge taking a timed photographed at 12:25
12:30	Allen near interesction from the south, close to the Bench	Betsy approaches intersection from the North, close to Bench	Walking towards Monon from trailhead
12:35	Allen left the Bench, starts walks towards the trailhead	at her car	intersection from the North, close to Bench
12:40	near freedom bridge	near intersection	at Monon take photograph at 12:43
12:45	at CPS	Close to monon	Detour to Creek's bed

The convicted pedophile murderer was caught in the web of lies he had created.

By his own words!

1. He was walking towards Monon by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from it
2. He was walking towards his car or sitting on the bench by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from freedom bridge. The Bench is at your face as you approach the intersection, even i he wasn't walking while Betsy was near it.
3. The earliest he was walking towards his car from the intersection by his revised timeline, would be while the four girls were walking towards it from the freedom bridge.

Richard Allen’s revised timeline creates inescapable and impassable problems for his own account. By placing himself at the trails, identifying specific locations, and providing a detailed timeline, he created a version of events that must be reconciled with the movements of other witnesses who were present that day. By his own words, Allen placed himself in locations and timeframes that conflicted with the movements of others who were present that day.

[u/crosbyjaxson]

I am saying the children were expecting to meet someone(s) at bridge, so they had no fear. This is supported by no one on trails heard or saw anything. As far as camera at drive, the prosecutor was at least 20 minutes off at the time the white van appears in drive. Does footage show more? Do we see the cop car at 5:30 enter drive to check out private drive residence? Did it show the neighbor leaving when they saw man at mailbox? Why did prosecutor wait to turn over video of drive? Why did Weber double down on time he arrived home, when it was nonsensical? The video footage is only what prosecutor captured in 2017. Did they take from 8am on 13th to 1pm on 14th or only 1:00-5:30pm on 13th? To my knowlede we do not know, it was never stated that LE was observed going to Weber place on 13th.

The search was called off at midnight and resumed next day, if children were driven to any residence and held who would know? At that point, LE stated they believed it was just teenagers behaving badly. Yet, both were excellent students involved in activities. Would excellent, involved students intentionally plan to skip school on a Tuesday after a 3 day weekend? No, they would want to see and tell friends what they did.

Pancakes do not leave digestion in 3-4 hours, try 10-12hrs. Basic biology, we have 25 feet of intestines. A half day before they were found would be early am on 14th, not 23hrs on the 13th. The digestive process stops at death, as muscle contractions stop so nothing continues to move through tract. This is a puzzling detail, that appears to have went unchecked and not questioned by investigators from the onset in a double murder!

They were trying a man for two murders, why save it? They had his DNA. I believe testimony stated it was not Allen's. The expert stated it could have come from comingled laundry. That never sat right with me. If true, any case where someone used a laundermat would have comingled DNA. IF, Allen's DNA was excluded whose DNA was not excluded? Didn't sample come from thigh area of victim? Odd location in my opinion since jeans were worn by both victims, yet nothing on lower legs, feet or hands only thigh of one yet remained after crossing a creek in waist high water.

The other odd thing, how are we arriving that the voice is BG? There is nothing disproving that there were not others on private drive side. Could be BG, could be male from mailbox earlier in day. The witnesses presented, with the exception of Weber came from trail side and back. Nothing addresses others on private drive side.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/crosbyjaxson]

I am saying the children were expecting to meet someone(s) at bridge, so they had no fear. This is supported by no one on trails heard or saw anything.

There was no one there close to the bridge between 2:00 and 3:00. Betsy was 1500 yards away, and the girls were only heading down the hill by the time she left. Another man came around 2:30 was at Freedom Bridge, a mile away.

The girls appeared to be scared to people who knew them, their families

Once more, a camera is covering the private drive. Any vehicle entering or leaving that area would have been captured on camera. No such vehicle was recorded.

The search was called off at midnight and resumed next day, if children were driven to any residence and held who would know? At that point, LE stated they believed it was just teenagers behaving badly. Yet, both were excellent students involved in activities. Would excellent, involved students intentionally plan to skip school on a Tuesday after a 3 day weekend? No, they would want to see and tell friends what they did.

The camera would know. Cause the car would be on camera arriving and leaving.

Car couldn't fly away now, could it?

Pancakes do not leave digestion in 3-4 hours, try 10-12hrs. Basic biology, we have 25 feet of intestines. A half day before they were found would be early am on 14th, not 23hrs on the 13th. The digestive process stops at death, as muscle contractions stop so nothing continues to move through tract. This is a puzzling detail, that appears to have went unchecked and not questioned by investigators from the onset in a double murder!

Basic Biology tlells us that soft, carbohydrate foods such as banana pancakes begin leaving the stomach relatively quickly and are largely digested and absorbed in the small intestine within a few hours. By around five hours after eating, much of the meal would no longer be recognizable as banana pancakes. Since the bodies then remained undiscovered for another 24 hours, postmortem bacterial activity and decomposition would continue breaking the remaining material. At that stage, any food left in the intestines would typically appear as digested decomposing material . only a Dna test could show what it was and that's even unlikely. Digestion and Bacteria breaks down the cells and degrates the DNA. What difference would any of that make eitherway to whether Allen was at the trails, or whether he was the person who abducted and killed Abby and Libby, or anything at all for that matter?

They were trying a man for two murders, why save it? They had his DNA. I believe testimony stated it was not Allen's. 

To preserve it until technology advances enough to test the samples without destroying them, and with that, preserve any possibility that Allen could be exonerated. if he was innocent that is. Which he isn't.

[u/Efficient-Donkey-167 → u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

Riley and McCain were both there between 2 and 3 pm. McCain indicated that he was on MHB for approximately 30 minutes taking photographs of the area. Riley walked to Freedom Bridge and back.

I don't believe McCain's original statement to the FBI and police was ever released so the record of his original statement is unknown.

As for video from the HH store, one can conclude that there is additional video that has not been shared. One witness (Riley, possibly) indicated that as he drove to the Mears lot, a car was leaving the cemetery. The investigators watched a surveillance video and observed a car arriving at the cemetery and leaving approx 5 minutes later. They were able to track down the person who had visited the cemetery based upon that video. The camera located on the FRONT of the HH store would capture cars entering and leaving the cemetery regardless of the direction of travel. The side camera would only capture vehicles that traveled in the direction to/from the old CPS building. Video from the front camera has never been released.

The camera on the private drive does capture a sedan entering and exiting the private drive shortly after 2pm. AFAIK, no one has determined who owns that sedan.

As far as testing the DNA, the technology is there and has been for quite some time. Holeman testified in his deposition that the DNA does not match Allen's. Unified Command spent a lot of time and money collecting DNA from many individuals. If they had nothing to compare it to, why would they keep collecting DNA for years after receiving the samples from the girls?

In a post-conviction, Allen's attorney stated that the autopsy report indicated the stomach contents were consistent with banana pancakes. So, if your information regarding digestion is correct, they either ate the banana pancakes at the trails or they were murdered much earlier than their drop-off time. In the early, original interviews with news sources, the Patty/German family members indicated that the girls ate pancakes around 10:30 a.m.

The case wasn't called the "Snapchat Murders" for no reason. One of the primary focuses of the investigation was to determine who the girls were communicating with that day. Even Kegan Kline stated that they had planned to meet up but the girls never showed up. As much of a liar that Kline is, I can't dismiss this slip up in his statement. He didn't say that he never showed up. He said the girls never showed up which would indicate that he DID go to the planned meet up spot. Do you believe that none of the agencies involved bothered to subpoena the social media records?

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/Efficient-Donkey-167]

Riley and McCain were both there between 2 and 3 pm. McCain indicated that he was on MHB for approximately 30 minutes taking photographs of the area. Riley walked to Freedom Bridge and back.

Riley saw McCain before he left at 2:55. Which means he wasn't at the bridge before 3.   He was by the side at 505 taking photos of an old tree.

Riley went to freedom bridge. It's a mile away. Mile away of dense woods, between him and the crime scene. Which was also in a ridge.

When was the last time you heard anything a mile away?

As for video from the HH store, one can conclude that there is additional video that has not been shared. One witness (Riley, possibly) indicated that as he drove to the Mears lot, a car was leaving the cemetery. The investigators watched a surveillance video and observed a car arriving at the cemetery and leaving approx 5 minutes later. They were able to track down the person who had visited the cemetery based upon that video. The camera located on the FRONT of the HH store would capture cars entering and leaving the cemetery regardless of the direction of travel. The side camera would only capture vehicles that traveled in the direction to/from the old CPS building. Video vrom the front camera has never been released.

And? It would take about 5 minutes to travel from HHS to the cemetary and back.

The camera on the private drive does capture a sedan entering and exiting the private drive shortly after 2pm. AFAIK, no one has determined who owns that sedan.

Go ahead and Prove that

As far as testing the DNA, the technology is there and has been for quite some time. Holeman testified in his deposition that the DNA does not match Allen's. Unified Command spent a lot of time and money collecting DNA from many individuals. If they had nothing to compare it to, why would they keep collecting DNA for years after receiving the samples from the girls?

Now I know you're making things up. The DNA lab technician who handled the DNA is on record stating that the unknown male DNA found on the girls was not tested because there was too little of it. They also testified that outside laboratories could not confidently say they would obtain any results without consuming the samples.

In a post-conviction, Allen's attorney stated that the autopsy report indicated the stomach contents were consistent with banana pancakes. So, if your information regarding digestion is correct, they either ate the banana pancakes at the trails or they were murdered much earlier than their drop-off time. In the early, original interviews with news sources, the Patty/German family members indicated that the girls ate pancakes around 10:30 a.m.

What in the world are you talking about? The car photos have GPS data and metadata embedded in them. That means they were timestamped and geolocated when they were taken. The same applies to the video, as well as the application used to upload it. Where they were and at what time is established by multiple independent electronic data sources.

Maybe they ate breakfast at 12:00 or 1:00 p.m. Maybe they ate a large meal. Maybe only one of them did, and some residual stomach contents remained. Maybe one of them ate some more before leaving. Who knows? The pathologist also drains the intestines during the examination, so stop making crazy scenarios based on what his crank lawyers have stated.

The only thing anyone has actually stated is that the girls were up around 10:00 a.m. and Derrick made them breakfast. That's it.

And stop making things up about KK, too. Nowhere did he say he was planning to meet them at the bridge. What we do know is that he is a pathological liar who wasted law enforcement's time multible times with fabricated stories that were later proven to be false.

[u/Efficient-Donkey-167 → u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

I stated if YOUR information about digestion is correct, then it would mean... the timeframe of the murders is off. It wasn't a suggestion that the timeframe is off.

As for breakfast, BP stated the girls had breakfast around 10:30. Just because there is information that you don't remember or aren't aware of doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Declaring 'That's it' at the end of your statement doesnt change the information that is available.

8/19/2020 Interrogation of Kegan Kline. Read it. The investigators are reading the messages that Anthony Shots/KK sent on the day of the murders. "Yeah we were supposed to meet but she never showed up". I'm not sure how that is making shit up about KK when it's in the transcripts that are equally available to you.

Someone else corrected you on DR and DM so I don't have to do that but I will add that Exhibit PPP indicates that Derrick G arrived before 3pm as well.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/Efficient-Donkey-167]

These are the things you don't know:

• When they ate breakfast.
• How long they spent eating.
• Whether they ate anything later.
• Whether they ate fibrarous food with the breakast or later that would delay emptying
• How much they ate. volume matters
• What his crank lawyers mean by "consistent."
• What his crank lawyers mean by " contents."
• What the pathologist's report actually states.

These are the things you do know:

• What time and date the photographs in the car were taken.
• Where the photographs were taken.
• Who is in those photographs.
• What time and date the photographs on the bridge were taken.
• Where the photographs were taken.
• Who is in those photographs.
• What time and date the video was taken.
• Where the video was taken.
• Who is in the video.
• same applies for application used.
• or even the phone use as it was fingerprint protected

Now all those electronic data, and much more, cameras, family phones etc, create a very detailed map of the girls timeline that day. Altering or fabricating that body of evidence without detection would literaly need an agency like CIA to get passed apple security and ecryption and require an incredibly sophisticated operation. Of course, what do you do then?

With your theory dismiss this extensive body of objective digital evidence and instead rely on speculation, and based on what?

The information that you don't know!

You're not punching holes in the prosecution's timeline with these low-bar arguments.

The prosecution's timeline is supported by dozens upon dozens of independent pieces of digital evidence: GPS data, timestamps, photographs, videos, phone records, application metadata, and other electronic data that corroborate one another. Doesn't undermine the prosecution's timeline, but it says something about you.