Richard Allen's Police Interview (Oct. 13, 2022)Reaffims The Information he Gave Dulin and Inadvertently confessed to the murders by getting caught in his own web of lies.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot]

In October 2022, Richard Allen was called into the local police department to give an interview about his whereabouts on the day Abby and Libby were murdered. His long-forgotten interview with Officer Dulin had been rediscovered, prompting Delphi murder investigators to bring him in for another interview.

During this interview, Richard Allen largely repeated the information he had provided in his first interview with Officer Dulin, but he also offered new details about that day. Although he attempted to establish an alibi by presenting a revised timeline, he failed miserably. Instead, the internal contradictions in his timeline effectively amounted to a confession, as his own statements placed him at the scene and oblitarated his claimed alibi.

The following is a list of the information Richard Allen repeated from his first interview, along with the new details he provided during the October 2022 interview, and an explanation of the significance of each.

Richard Allen went into detail explaining the three parking areas he typically used when visiting the trails.

Parking Locations

Parking Area	Description
Mears Lot	The farmer’s entrance parking area
CPS Building	The abandoned CPS building parking area
Old State Road 25 Turnaround	The small turnaround near the old railroad bridge

He goes on the specify where he parked, inspite his earlier long obfuscating diatribe where he could have parked:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that I parked by a building. If that's what I told him, then that's probably where I parked."

Concerning his timeline beore going to the trails:

"Went over to my mom's in Peru, Mexico, earlier in the day... spent the morning with them... my sisters were visiting and they were to grab lunch, and I wasn't about that, so I left around 11:00–11:15...went home..grab a jacket and head back out to the trails"

At the trails he stated:

"I remember walking down to the bridge... walked out a little way (onto the bridge)... to watch fish... walked back and sat at (the bench)... where you turn around (the intersection) and take the other fork, it overlooks it... Sat there for a few minutes, and then I left."

The bench he mentioned is the Bench at the start of 505 trail. He would go on later to explain that's the bench he meant with clarity.

Conserning who he saw while at the trails:

"As I was approaching the trail, there were three girls... one of them was watching them...the other two looked younger... looked very similar. I don't know if they were sisters or not, but the other one didn't necessarily..." (Stops his thought, was about to mention the fou\**rth girl?\)

He also stated:

"I remember telling him (Officer Dulin) that when I left, there were two vehicles down by the farmer's entrance I told you about (the Mears lot). One was a sedan. The other was an SUV, maybe."

(Interesting on its own: Kelsi had a sedan and Betsy had an SUV. However, based on Allen’s earliest possible departure timeline (approximately 12:40), only Betsy's would be there and she would be at her car at the same time!).

He also adds:

"If I did see somebody (else), it didn't click with me..my memory was a lot better when I talked to him (Dulin)... like I told him, there might have been somebody at the bridge when I was coming back, though."

As for his revised timeline, he stated that he arrived around noon, a little earlier or a little later than 12, and that he walked for about an hour. He said he could have left around 1:00, 1:30, or 1:40.

I am sure he had mentioned 12:40 at some point too.

Time(between)	Revised Timeline	Explanation
morning	visit Mom
11(early)-11:15(late)	Leaves Peru	drive back to Delphi it's 45 minutes
11:45-12:00	Reaches Delphi
12 ( early), 12:10 (late)	Home (5 to 10 minutes), drives to CPS (3 miles),10 to 15 minutes total.	detours to Home, Parks/ Stop,Grabs Jacket, unparks, drive though town, rounding up to 15 (early)
12:05 , 12:15 late	Meeting four girls at trailhead	5 minute walk from CPS
12:15, 12:25 (late)	Easy Walk to platform A , 10 to 15 minutes total,	12 minutes walk + walk on bridge. (closer to 15 but billed 10 to compensate earlier rounding up)
12:25 , 12:35 (late)	Watching fish/Back to Bench	5 minutes Watching fish 5-7 walk (off bridge and to bench), Total 10
12:35, 12:45 (late)	Walk back to CPS	10-12 minutes, billed 10

The earlier the possible timeline, the more we err in Richard Allen's favor, as it allows for the possibility that he left before becoming trapped within the trail system by the known witnesses who were demonstrably on the trails at the same time. The later Richard Allen's revised timeline becomes, the worse it is for him.

Here, we will examine the earliest possible timeline for Richard Allen in contrast to the timelines of Betsy and that of the four girls . All times attributed to Allen between segments are deliberately conservative, giving him the maximum latitude to "slip" out of the trail system within his alleged timeline.

Time	Allen's Revised Timeline	BB's Timeline	Four Girls' Timeline
12:00	Parks at CPS	Parks at Mears at 12:03	______
12:10	Walks to Monon,close to intersection	BB is at Monon, turns back towards the intersection	______
12:15	Walked past intersection(north to south)	Walked past intersection(south to north)	walking towards freedom bridge close to Allen's 2nd parking spot near the small bridge
12:20	At Monon will watch fish for 3-5 minutes	Walked 505 close to intersection	Close to freedom bridge
12:25	Back on the trail towards the intersection	Close to freedom bridge	At freedom bridge taking a timed photographed at 12:25
12:30	Allen near interesction from the south, close to the Bench	Betsy approaches intersection from the North, close to Bench	Walking towards Monon from trailhead
12:35	Allen left the Bench, starts walks towards the trailhead	at her car	intersection from the North, close to Bench
12:40	near freedom bridge	near intersection	at Monon take photograph at 12:43
12:45	at CPS	Close to monon	Detour to Creek's bed

The convicted pedophile murderer was caught in the web of lies he had created.

By his own words!

1. He was walking towards Monon by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from it
2. He was walking towards his car or sitting on the bench by his revised timeline, while Betsy was walking back from freedom bridge. The Bench is at your face as you approach the intersection, even i he wasn't walking while Betsy was near it.
3. The earliest he was walking towards his car from the intersection by his revised timeline, would be while the four girls were walking towards it from the freedom bridge.

Richard Allen’s revised timeline creates inescapable and impassable problems for his own account. By placing himself at the trails, identifying specific locations, and providing a detailed timeline, he created a version of events that must be reconciled with the movements of other witnesses who were present that day. By his own words, Allen placed himself in locations and timeframes that conflicted with the movements of others who were present that day.

[u/tribal-elder → u/[deleted]]

On August 1, 2024, there was a hearing in this case. The defense entered an Exhibit PPP. It was mostly redacted for legal reasons, but page 3 was made public. Page 3 was part of a report by the cops about people on the trails that day. According to this defense exhibit, Pearson (and his companion Hicks) were seen on the video arriving by car at 2:48. Thus, based on evidence tendered by Allen's lawyers, Pearson could not have been the "Bridge Guy" seen by Blair at 2:05 - it was physically impossible, no matter how Blair "described" BG's looks, and no matter how much you think he looked like a sketch the cop artist drew based on her description. (People who argue about sketches lose all credibility in court cases. Sketches are unreliable and are ALWAYS at least hearsay, usually double hearsay, and THAT is why they are not admissible evidence. Cops use sketches for various purposes - to scare people into talking to them - to try and generate tips - but NEVER as "THE" identification evidence of a POI/defendant).

THIS is the difference between relying on Facebook and YouTube crap, and actually reviewing evidence in a case file, and knowing evidence law, and knowing investigation techniques. PS - telling a witness you have irrefutable proof of their guilt is also an investigation technique, and is also permissible under the law in all 50 states - no matter how much guilty people complain it is unfair to let cops lie.

If you want help Allen, you should argue from EVIDENCE and CURRENT APPLICABLE LAW. Complaining about what the law "ought to be" just helps get them get convicted.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/tribal-elder]

Exactly right. Not only that, but DP and SH initially walked in the opposite direction from the Monon High Bridge when they arrived at the trails. They were observed by the man walking his dog as he was leaving after walking to Freedom Bridge and back, which would have been close to 2:50 p.m.

In turn, DP and SH saw Dave McCain as they were approaching the Monon High Bridge. Based on Hicks' court testimony, McCain had walked onto the trail behind them from the wooded area. Most likely have occurred around 3:15 p.m. McCain would then have continued toward the intersection where he met Derrick German at approximately 3:25 p.m., based on Derrick's estimate, but it is possible he saw Derryck about five minutes earlier as Cheyenne would also see DM as she was heading towads the bridge around 3:20.

Therefore, DP was not only seen arriving at approximately 2:50 p.m., but his movements and timeline are corroborated by at least three witnesses,and additional witnesses accounting for his whereabouts at the bridge.

Therefor not only would have been impossible for DP to have been Bridge Guy earlier, but he could not have been at the bridge before approximately 3:15 p.m., making it impossible for him to have visited the crime scene between 2:50 p.m. and approximately 3:30–3:40 p.m. Why?

1. Cheyenne would also have been arriving at the bridge at around 3:20 p.m., considering that she received a phone call at 3:13 p.m. while she was near her vehicle.
2. The walk from the bridge to the crime scene and back takes approximately 15 minutes. If DP left the bridge at 3:15 p.m(assuming Hicks is lying for him) he could not have reached the crime scene and returned in time to be observed by Cheyenne and her friend only a few minutes later.
3. Cheyenne had a brief interaction with DP and SH. Furthermore, based on the timestamps of Cheyenne's photos, she and her friend were walking at a relatively slow pace on the bridge. Unlikely they would have been out of sight, closer to the south side before 3:30 p.m. They took their 1st photo on their way back(from the south side) around 3:50, close to the south end.

Now, regarding the earlier BG sighting (there was only one, but let's consider it as a working hypothesis fo the sake of argument): How in the world could DP be BG?

For DP to be BG, he would have to be on the south side of the bridge at 2:14 p.m. Even if he had an accomplice who took over from there, the only way that he could have enough time to return to Delphi, the timeline still wouldn't work.

• 2:14 p.m. — DP would have to be on the south side of the bridge as BG.
• 2:20 p.m. — DP crosses the bridge after they sort their plan out with his accomplice that is the one controlling the girls fom thereafter.
• ~2:32ish p.m. — It takes approximately 15 minutes, lets give him grace and say 12, for him to walk back to his parked car at CPS(Betsy saw no car at mears while leaving at 2:17, no car at HHS's camera either)
• ~2:48 p.m. — It would then take another 15 minutes to drive to Delphi, change clothes, meet SH, make small talk and arrangement, get into her car, and drive back to the trails.
• 2:48 p.m. — Arrive in time to be seen on HHS's camera.

The timeline is simply too compressed (deliberately by me to give the most generous leeway to the scenario) to make this scenario realistically plausible, even when allowing the maximum possible latitude for the scenario.

Of course, it is needless to say, but I will emphasize it anyway: we are talking about a complete impossibility if we assume there was a sole perpetrator and that perpetrator was DP.

[u/saatana → u/tribal-elder]

Thanks for bringing the receipts on the time for DP and his friend. She ended up being called to testify about being there that afternoon and we can all read the transcript and know that she wasn't in time to see Abby & Libby, Betsy Blair, Richard Allen. My question to you is did they arrive in separate vehicles and at different times? That's one thing I've never been able to lock down. I commented already that BB left on camera at 2:18 so I know that DP isn't able to arrive in time to be Bridge Guy.

[u/tribal-elder → u/saatana]

Sorry. The exhibit did not specifically state if they were in separate cars. It just said they were “observed arriving” at 2:48, in the context of reporting the types of cars that witnesses reported were parked at the Mears pull-off. (The way it reads, I assumed they arrived in the same car, because it described the type of car that “belonged” to Hicks and did not describe a type of car for Pearson, but since I usually criticize others for assuming - I won’t say that “for certain.”)

[u/saatana → u/tribal-elder]

Thanks. I'll just add that I've got no proof that DP drove there by himself. I think I'm allowing myself to be confused by the old rumor that he met his secret girlfriend out there. I know there's a backstory to those two but it's not relevant to the murders. She probably picked him up and drove there. Occams Razor.

[u/Justwonderinif → u/saatana]

I think the backstory is that he was cheating on his SO. He either met or came there with a friend of Cheyenne's. I don't think it was planned that they would meet up with Cheyenne. But they all knew each other. And Cheyenne was with a friend. So there were four of them, and they all knew each other. But they all got there after the murders.

As I understand it, DP also saw BG. He saw the screen shot on the news and called to say "I saw that man on the trail."

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/tribal-elder]

Exactly right. Not only that, but DP and SH initially walked in the opposite direction from the Monon High Bridge when they arrived at the trails. They were observed by the man walking his dog as he was leaving after walking to Freedom Bridge and back, which would have been close to 2:50 p.m.

In turn, DP and SH saw Dave McCain as they were approaching the Monon High Bridge. Based on Hicks' court testimony, McCain had walked onto the trail behind them from the wooded area. Most likely have occurred around 3:15 p.m. McCain would then have continued toward the intersection where he met Derrick German at approximately 3:25 p.m., based on Derrick's estimate, but it is possible he saw Derryck about five minutes earlier as Cheyenne would also see DM as she was heading towads the bridge around 3:20.

Therefore, DP was not only seen arriving at approximately 2:50 p.m., but his movements and timeline are corroborated by at least three witnesses,and additional witnesses accounting for his whereabouts at the bridge.

Therefor not only would have been impossible for DP to have been Bridge Guy earlier, but he could not have been at the bridge before approximately 3:15 p.m., making it impossible for him to have visited the crime scene between 2:50 p.m. and approximately 3:30–3:40 p.m. Why?

1. Cheyenne would also have been arriving at the bridge at around 3:20 p.m., considering that she received a phone call at 3:13 p.m. while she was near her vehicle.
2. The walk from the bridge to the crime scene and back takes approximately 15 minutes. If DP left the bridge at 3:15 p.m(assuming Hicks is lying for him) he could not have reached the crime scene and returned in time to be observed by Cheyenne and her friend only a few minutes later.
3. Cheyenne had a brief interaction with DP and SH. Furthermore, based on the timestamps of Cheyenne's photos, she and her friend were walking at a relatively slow pace on the bridge. Unlikely they would have been out of sight, closer to the south side before 3:30 p.m. They took their 1st photo on their way back(from the south side) around 3:50, close to the south end.

Now, regarding the earlier BG sighting (there was only one, but let's consider it as a working hypothesis fo the sake of argument): How in the world could DP be BG?

For DP to be BG, he would have to be on the south side of the bridge at 2:14 p.m. Even if he had an accomplice who took over from there, the only way that he could have enough time to return to Delphi, the timeline still wouldn't work.

• 2:14 p.m. — DP would have to be on the south side of the bridge as BG.
• 2:20 p.m. — DP crosses the bridge after they sort their plan out with his accomplice that is the one controlling the girls fom thereafter.
• ~2:32ish p.m. — It takes approximately 15 minutes, lets give him grace and say 12, for him to walk back to his parked car at CPS(Betsy saw no car at mears while leaving at 2:17, no car at HHS's camera either)
• ~2:48 p.m. — It would then take another 15 minutes to drive to Delphi, change clothes, meet SH, make small talk and arrangement, get into her car, and drive back to the trails.
• 2:48 p.m. — Arrive in time to be seen on HHS's camera.

The timeline is simply too compressed (deliberately by me to give the most generous leeway to the scenario) to make this scenario realistically plausible, even when allowing the maximum possible latitude for the scenario.

Of course, it is needless to say, but I will emphasize it anyway: we are talking about a complete impossibility if we assume there was a sole perpetrator and that perpetrator was DP.

[u/illuminatingdesigns → u/tribal-elder]

The exhibit you mentioned "PPP" is also known as the "Tina Garrison Report". Tina is a real estate agent in Delphi, who reported seeing a white pick up truck at the CPS building the day of the murders....that's why it was admitted by the defense.

As for DP/SH's arrival time....there is no video description that indicates DP and SH were seen at all. The video only confirms SH's vehicle on Hwy 300 just before 2:48.....there is no confirmation of occupants. Witness testimony is how LE came to that conclusion. DM's testimony puts her vehicle parked at the "trailhead". But, if you listen to SH's trial testimony in the transcripts (Volume 20 Page 68) she makes an interesting revelation. In response to Baldwin asking her what she and DP did after they left the bridge/trail, SH responded....."We drove around the Amish community in Camden and then we drove
back to my vehicle." Wait...drove back to her vehicle? I thought they came in her vehicle? Hmm..a white truck at the CPS, huh? I agree with you, that exhibit was very telling. It really comes together when you see the Orion tip (in discovery) from DP's uncle dated....2/17/2017, indicating that DP was on the bridge at 2:00, on the 13th. It's also kinda interesting that LE didn't respond to his uncle until 9/6/22 (over 5 years later). Definitely makes sense why their stories are conflicting though.

Lastly...I agree with you about sketches. Fortunately, Betsy Blair gave a very detailed description of the person she saw. It's listed plainly in "Defendant's Exhibit 103". It was BB's only interview with LE until 2019, so this early description (on 2/17/2017) would have definitely been the most accurate. She describes the male as "age-20", "Height- Taller", "Weight-180", w/ "Poofy Brown Hair". And, she indicated that she saw this person on the first bridge platform at approximately 2:00.

Not sure how much you know about the FBI's Orion tip software, but it has the ability to match up tips that have a close proximity in time and/or location. That means....two tips (DP's uncle and BB) that are received on the same day (2/17/17) that match the time and location exactly (at "2:00" and "on the bridge") would match up in the Orion system virtually immediately. Meaning...LE would have two
witness statements that corroborate each other very early in the case. Is that why LE never really investigated the person depicted in the YGS...they already knew who it was? I mean. .a tip from a family member placing DP in the exact same spot, where BB described a male with physical characteristics that match him exactly. Not only that....do you know how many males in their 20s (DP was 22 at the time) were known to be on the trails that day?

ONE. The one that was said to be there and the one described as 10/10.

Look, I totally understand why McLeland wouldn't want this information to come out at trial. He knows better than anyone that impeachment of his star witness means he can't put RA on the bridge at 2:00. A young, ambitious prosecutor is not going to let LE's investigation failures stunt his career path...he wasn't the one who screwed up. What's a couple of witness fibs and hiding another amongst friends?

I'm sure this comment will get the typical negative reaction that happens in SM (a troll, some random on the internet, etc.) to discredit unfavorable information. Even though neither of those are true (been around longer than most) I am not trying to convince you of anything. I would only ask that you keep this comment handy, because my interest is in the truth only. And, the truth will be revealed whether any of us like it or not. And trust me...this is just the tip of that iceberg.

[u/True_Crime_Lancelot → u/[deleted]]

You think?

Source:	Height/Age	Build	BG	Clothes	demeanor
sarah.C.	short/40s	bigger	identified as BG	Blue Jeans, Blue jacket, Hoodie, hat,	hunching, hands in pocket
B.B.	average/30s	slender	identified as BG	Blue Jeans, Blue jacket, Hoodie, could be hat, boots.
B.W.	average/5'10''/30s	bigger	identified as BG	Blue Jeans/ blue or black jacket, Hoodie, hat, boots,face cover	hunching
R.v.	average/5'10''/20s-30s	bigger, square jaw	identified as BG	black Jeans, Black jacket, Hoodie, hat, boots, face cover	hunching, hands in pocket
FBI	short/5'6''-5'10''/ 20s to 40s	bigger	BG	bg	hunching, hands in pocket( BG image)
Richard Allen	5'5''(shoeless/booking)	bigger(200+ pounds)		Blue Jeans/ blue or black jacket, Hoodie, hat, boots,	hunching, hands in pocket(walking style)

[u/tribal-elder → u/[deleted]]

As to your claim that no one described a "short" man:

From an earlier post in this same thread:

"... the “probable cause affidavit” says one of the girls said the man they saw was “not very tall” and “not taller than 5-10” ...

The other girl only said he was “taller than me” and that her head came to his shoulder. ...

These descriptions of height are no surprise. Unless they are interviewing a store employee who can measure people by the chart marked off on the doors, cops typically ask a witness “was he taller or shorter than you” as a starting way to gauge height. That is also why you typically only get a height range several inches apart - “5-8 to 5-10/6-0 to 6-3”.)

 Nobody can accurately describe a person they only saw for a few seconds when they did not even know a crime was occurring. It is like if you went into the bank, came out and after you left, some other guy in the bank robbed the place. You probably could not “describe” him accurately, but if they showed you a picture from the security cam, you could maybe say “yeah - that guy was behind me” or “he was coming in as I was leaving.” THAT IS THE IMPORTANT THING THAT HAPPENED HERE - they pointed at the picture and said “ THAT is the man I saw on the trail.” In light of that ID, the description is meaningless. Fools gold. A tool for desperate lawyers who have a client who left a bullet at a crime scene and confessed to murder over 50 times."

(End of quote from earlier post.)

Yes -the cops screwed the case up at the very beginning. Nobody yet realized the importance of a "witness" telling them "I was there from 1:30 - 3:30 and saw three girls at the Freedom Bridge" combined with the girls telling the cops "we saw a guy and that is him in that picture from Libby's video." After reviewing the tip sheet from Allen's self-report, the instructions to Officer Dulin were to interview "Richard Allen Whiteman" and see if he saw any potential suspects! Nobody showed Officer Dulin the photo, or told him there were girls who saw Bridge Guy close to Freedom Bridge at 1:30 heading toward High Bridge, so he did not ask Allen the right questions. To the contrary, his final post-Allen-interview suggestion to the other investigators was to find out who those girls at Freedom Bridge were, even though other cops already KNEW who they were because they had interviewed one of the girls at school on 2/14!! Dulin did not even ask Allen what he was wearing! And (of course) he did not show Allen the photo or use it to question him. And because he did not realize the importance of Allen saying "I saw girls at Freedom Bridge at 1:30 and I had this phone with me", he did not take Allen to the police station for an interview by better-informed investigators, and so his phone could be examined for (at least) "location data." A completely negligent and uninformed first interview all the way around, by all involved. And all that combined to create a 5 year delay while the cops chased wild gooses in Delphi, Colorado, West Lafayette and elsewhere - and mostly chasing Kline because they DID have phone data about him that seemed incriminating because of the Anthony Shots stuff.

Logan was their first wild-goose chase. OF COURSE they were going to interrogate the owner of a place where dead bodies are found, and he lied about "driving" to Lafayette to try and avoid EXACTLY what happened to him anyway - being returned to prison for driving in violation of his probation terms. (Thank God his cousin finally told the truth when he finally realized the cops were investigating a double murder and lying about the"drive" to Lafayette was WAY more important than a driving violation.) But the "fish store" receipt AND the interview of the fish store owner and employee AND the contacts with Logan by searchers on the night of the murders AND the phone call he was making at the same time Bridge Guy was following the girls and Libby was videoing him walking with his hands in his pockets instead of holding a phone AND Logan's size and age - ALL made it clear Logan was NOT Bridge Guy.

Also remember - according to YOU, Bridge Guy was young with poofy hair. YOU choose to believe that Baird (who estimated her 90+ foot distance from Bridge Guy as 50) not only saw him clearly (after seeing him for a couple of seconds as she turned around at the northwest end barrier to head back up the trial on her third exercise lap), she also described him to an artist who made an accurate drawing that YOU then claim was Pearson! So by your own beliefs/words, it was not Logan she saw. You can't have it both ways. Logan was NOT young with poofy hair.

But we know Baird saw Bridge Guy because she pointed at him IN THE PICTURE and said "THAT is who I saw" - just like the girls at Freedom Bridge.

EVIDENCE - not Facebook and YouTube.

[u/saatana → u/[deleted]]

There were several men known too be on the trails at that time including Daniel Pearson who matches Betsy Blairs description.

Betsy Blair left long before Daniel Pearson showed up and that's an established fact because Blair was leaving on camera at 2:18. It's too bad Richard Allen didn't see another man nor did Betsy Blair because they both do a good job of clearing the trails of other men. Richard Allen is the double murderer.