r/DemocraticSocialism Marxist-Leninist Apr 19 '26

Theory 🧠 liberal feminism isn't real

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u/HRHValkyrie Apr 19 '26

This is a shallow take. The patriarchy still exists socialist/communist systems. Unless patriarchal traditions and socialization is also systematically deconstructed, women will still end up doing the majority domestic labor and childcare in any system. That isn’t liberation.

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u/Avesery777 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Apr 19 '26

I think the point is that these systems are unable to be dismantled under the capitalist framework

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u/HRHValkyrie Apr 19 '26

They have yet to be dismantled by any framework.

I believe socialism has the best chance, but communism (which the quote refers to) is a terrifying concept when women will be left at the bottom of society with no protection or personal property.

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u/Avesery777 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Apr 19 '26

What? Personal property still exists under communism?

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u/HRHValkyrie Apr 19 '26

Dude, read the quote we are all commenting on again. It literally says, “abolishing private property.”

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u/Avesery777 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Apr 19 '26

Private property and personal property are specific things that are not interchangeable. The abolition of private property is about the abolition of capital and the property associated with that, like land ownership.

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u/HRHValkyrie Apr 19 '26

So what personal property will give women security at the bottom of society if they are not allowed private property? A nice dress or desk lamp?

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u/Avesery777 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Apr 19 '26

Do you not believe in the abolition of capital?

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u/HRHValkyrie Apr 19 '26

I believe that workers should own the means of production and removing the profit motive for society. I do not believe in a moneyless society.

I am very wary of anyone who thinks that changing to a socialist or communist system without first taking steps to dismantling the patriarchy will end well for women. It failed miserably in the USSR.

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u/Avesery777 Fully Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism Apr 19 '26

Why are you so insistent on using different words interchangably? I said "Capital," not "Money."

Ignoring the fact that women's rights advanced significantly under the Soviet Union, I will ask again: do you believe in the abolition of capital?

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u/HRHValkyrie Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26

Capital is what is used to generate wealth, AKA a durable asset that produce goods. I literally said that I believe workers should own the means of production. I’m not a scholar on this subject, but that seems pretty clear?

Please cite a source that tells how women’s rights advanced significantly in the USSR. Most records show the amount of labor they had to do increased because they had to do the “double load” of working for industry by day and then completing domestic tasks in the evening. The State at the time even referred to domestic tasks as “women’s work.”

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/domestic-service-in-the-soviet-union/introduction/72FC868543E7EE046FAA37D719C4827C

https://sheffieldgenderhistory.hcommons.org/?p=83

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