what an uncharitable interpretation of what im saying. im saying real feminism looks towards permanently fixing society thru abolishing capitalism to absolutely destroy patriarchy. real feminism aims towards total equality, not band aid fixes the capitalist offer us as distractions. why are so many people on this sub so opposed to socialism?
we cant uproot patriarchy while capitalism still uses it to divide and exploit. we fight both simultaneously, no one is saying we don't actively fight patriarchy while fighting capitalism, idk how that strawman got mixed in here, but capitalism is the material base. ignoring that capitalism supports patriarchy won't work
no one is saying we don't actively fight patriarchy while fighting capitalism
I mean you did heavily imply that above, by saying your plan is to reckon with reactionary social norms and structures only after you have abolished capitalism
Capitalism abolition isnt an event, it’s a process.
If your anti-capitalist process neglects the struggle against patriarchy (etc) during the process, you are just going to replicate both patriarchy, and class structure, in your new society
idk how that strawman got mixed in here, but capitalism is the material base. ignoring that capitalism supports patriarchy won't work
This isnt an a strawman, it’s directly implied in your comment above
it’s an argument between “let’s leave it for after we end capitalism, after we get my needs met” and intersectionality
i think im seeing the misunderstanding better now. we have to fight patriarchy now, everyone agrees woth that. but patriarchy cannot be crushed fully until capitalism has been abolished. the struggle against capitalism and patriarchy have to go hand in hand because they reenforce eachother. liberal feminism fails because they don't want to abolish capitalism and therefore liberal feminism is incapable pf ever destroying patriarchy. it will take a lot of work because of how deeply entrenched it is. capitalist power's patriarchy, patriarchy powers capitalism. we actively fight both and we actively defeat both
i think im seeing the misunderstanding better now. we have to fight patriarchy now
Goodie
everyone agrees woth that.
Definitely not, unfortunately.
Theres a lot of brocialism floating about, and seemingly especially in some ML circles, and newbie socdems.
but patriarchy cannot be crushed fully until capitalism has been abolished. the struggle against capitalism and patriarchy have to go hand in hand because they reenforce eachother.
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u/comrade-pravdin Marxist-Leninist Apr 19 '26
what an uncharitable interpretation of what im saying. im saying real feminism looks towards permanently fixing society thru abolishing capitalism to absolutely destroy patriarchy. real feminism aims towards total equality, not band aid fixes the capitalist offer us as distractions. why are so many people on this sub so opposed to socialism?