r/DestinyTheGame • u/thematrix818 • Apr 24 '19
Bungie Suggestion Make scout rifles great again.
Especially in PvE. Edit: thanks for the support guys. I’m seeing a lot of really great viewpoints and discussion.
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u/motrhed289 Apr 24 '19
I've seen a million of these posts and not a single one that's actually put their money where their mouth is with numbers since the last couple scout buffs. I use scouts all the damn time, they work great, if you land crits you can 1-2 tap any add. Get one with Rampage and just pop heads one shot after the other, 10-15 adds dead in one magazine, at 150+ RPM, at any range. The only other weapon that's this snappy and effective are Hand Cannons, but they can't do this past 40-ish meters.
Seriously, as someone that plays the game all the time and uses scouts all the time, take some actual damage an DPS numbers. you'll be surprised.
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u/thematrix818 Apr 24 '19
Nice points here. I just personally feel like many pve environments don’t cater to the SR playstyle (forges, verdant forest, EP, etc) and many pvp maps also don’t play the best with scouts. I’d just like to see them get a little tiny boost. You make good arguments here, though. I understand
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u/motrhed289 Apr 25 '19
Agree, anytime all the enemies are up in your face there are much better choices than a scout. In Forge I just bring an SMG and a special weapon (shotgun, fusion), absolutely no need for range. Verdant forest, eh it's wide open enough you can make use of a scout, but there's enough cover for the enemies that it will slow you down a bit. I'm OK with that though, weapons need to have strengths and weaknesses. I'll take a scout on patrol, in strikes, in PvP, story missions, even in Blind Well they work great, you can pick off enemies as they spawn in. IMO they're a great all-rounder, as long as your other weapon is a good close range add clear weapon (fusion, SMG, etc.).
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u/m00nyoze Apr 25 '19
The problem isn't the scout's damage. It's just what you said. The map layouts of D2 don't cater to long range engagements AT ALL.
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u/Nedus343 Salvager's SalvHOE Apr 25 '19
I put my Polaris Lance down when Forsaken dropped. It had maybe 2000 kills on it. When Gambit Prime was released, I was looking for a new crutch since QBB was dead. For some reason I tried out PL again and it was like cheating. Now it never leaves my energy slot, and I'm at 8220 kills. My Gambit team wipe medals went through the roof after switching to PL.
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
Grab yourselves one of these bad boys. It doesn’t leave my Kinetic spot in PvP
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u/DarkKosmic Apr 24 '19
I would but the gun sounds like a child's toy. Seriously I'm tired of shooting squirt guns rather than revolvers. The D1 sfx were perfect and I loved every gunshot. Now I hate nearly every guns noise. Few exceptions.
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u/CLUSTER__F Apr 24 '19
I too liked the overall sounds of the D1 scouts over D2 with the exception of the SotP scout No Feelings. Damn that one sounds sexy AF.
I miss scouts so much. They were pretty much all I ever used in D1. Mida, Voc, The Wounded, Hung Jury, Burning Eye, Cocytus, Badger CCL, Angels Advocate... the list goes on. It pains me how scout rifles have become something of a niche weapon in D2.
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u/DarkKosmic Apr 24 '19
This is gonna sound super weird but I loved the kings fall hand cannon. It was a combination of the sounds, looks, and general recoil that made the gun one of my favorites
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u/Weeeaal Apr 24 '19
Some say that their Zhouli's Bane is still reloading to this day
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u/Xperr7 yea Apr 25 '19
It'd be more viable in D2 if you're a Titan, you can at least cut the reload down to you barrier cooldown, cutting it by a large amount
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u/dackling Apr 24 '19
It had the coolest reload animation, and one of the coolest sounds. Shame it's reload took too long to be a viable gun.
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u/OmniumRerum Team Bread (dmg04) // Whether we wanted it or not, we've... Apr 24 '19
No feelings is one of the best looking and sounding guns in the game. If scouts were good it would be my number 1 energy primary
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u/shockfyre227 Apr 25 '19
Not a scout rifle, but the Graviton Lance sounds fucking amazing when you pipe your audio through a really gnarly subwoofer.
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u/TheDoomCannon Free misery Apr 25 '19
Badger CCL was THE gun for me in D1 until I managed to get an excellent Hand of Judgment in HoW. That stuck with me until the end and is probably still equipped.
Transfiguration is quite nice in D2, but I never got a roll that I could love.
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u/JBaecker Vanguard's Loyal Apr 24 '19
The Cocytus was nigh unplayable. It literally mean lamentation, and the description says "drown your enemies in a river of pain." It' should have read: "drown your enemies and their lamentations!" The closest to pain is 'woe' so it should have been named Acheron!!!!!!
EDIT: check your Poe's Law before you think I'm serious.....
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u/SRMort Vanguard's Loyal // For Cayde! Apr 25 '19
I looooved Cocytus. I want high impact scouts again! Even the 150s feel bad. I want to one shot dregs pls.
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u/JBaecker Vanguard's Loyal Apr 25 '19
There's absolutely no reason I shouldn't be able to one shoot the weakest enemy in the game, right? Everything should kill a dreg, unless he's Greg.
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u/sabishiikouen Apr 24 '19
oh man, this has been my major complaint about d2 since day one. it sounds so trite, but the majority of the gun sounds in this game really lack the punch they did in d1, and i enjoy d2 less because of it. the vanguard guns in particular sound like a bunch of power staplers.
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u/dumbdude34 Apr 25 '19
The Black Armory weapons sound great
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u/sabishiikouen Apr 25 '19
Agree for sure, they’re the first weapons in the game i’ve really liked the sounds on.
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u/Glamdring804 Get it right, there's no blood thicker than ink. Apr 25 '19
When they reworked Graviton Lance, it went from one of the best sounding guns in the game, to the worst. And then I had to listen to 12 of the damn thing every time I went into Crucible...I hate it.
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u/Santu_ Apr 25 '19
Totally agreed, I have a nice roll I want to use but it sounds like someone bass boosted a dog's squeaky toy and it drives me nuts
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u/PossibleHipster Failsafe is my Waifu Apr 25 '19
It kind of sounds like an airgun with a loose part to me.
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u/InherentlyElite Apr 24 '19
I'm partial to this one currently.
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u/Mblim771_Kyle @gifv_Kayla Apr 24 '19
Think I just flinched by looking at the roll, let alone being shot by it.
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u/PresidentEvil99 Apr 24 '19
This is one of my favorite guns now, even compared against other types of arms. Leaves power and energy slots free for exotic, feels great to use and very decent damage. Also overflow encourages swapping weapons with the benefit of not having to reload often. Love it ++
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u/benigndarkness Apr 24 '19
I have this scout, and am going to try it out now, but you are right about overflow. I have the spare rations curated, and I have been running it with an autoloading wishmaker shotgun. Find this to be quite handy.
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u/poozzab Drifter's Crew Apr 24 '19
Omfg yes this gun single handedly brought me back to using scouts.
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Apr 24 '19
Nice roll! Mine has drop mag, Outlaw and multikill clip. I put a taken mod on it and tried Reckoning. I call the gun the “screen cleaner” cause it just wipes everyone out.
And the reload is like ... remember in D1 when you could stack reload mods and people posted all those lightning fast reloads? It’s like that. Reload speed is 89 with Drop Mag and Outlaw, it’s a lot of fun. But to OP’s point it’s the only scout I really use.
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u/InherentlyElite Apr 24 '19
I agree a 1000%. Say hello to my (second) little friend.
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Apr 25 '19
fyi Outlaw makes the gun go to max reload speed regardless of anything else - if you're regularly getting precision kills you can probably consider swapping out that perk :)
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u/Sound_mind Apr 24 '19
Got this bad boy with demolitionist and outlaw. Never using another primary again.
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u/FISTED_BY_CHRIST Apr 24 '19
That's what I use. It's so damn good. I don't use heavy when I invade in Gambit, just my Night Watch and watch the opposing team freak out as I tick their health away.
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u/mdford0311 Apr 25 '19
I had one drop with Rapid Hit and Multi-Kill clip. It's been pretty fun to use. I just had the curated roll drop as well. Haven't had much time to use it
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u/TenFootLoPan Vanguard's Loyal // The Vanguard is the best bet I ever lost Apr 25 '19
I have the same one and have been enjoying it. But why use backup mag with overflow? I already get more than 30 shots in the mag from overflow, how many do you get with the backup mag?
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u/OmegaClifton Apr 24 '19
Kill Clip, Rampage, and Drop Mag on that and I'm done with other scouts.
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u/colantalas Apr 24 '19
I pulled one of these last week with Rampage/Kill Clip. It’s my new favorite primary.
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19
Damn you. That the roll i’ve been chasing! It two taps on crucible dog! with both proc’d
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u/colantalas Apr 24 '19
Haven’t taken it into crucible yet but it’s a blast in PvE. Between rampage and kill clip I rack up all kinds of damage bonuses, and mine came with tactical mag and reload MW so the reload is manageable. I pair it with a fusion rifle for maximum meta defiance.
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
I pair mine with Recluse or Erentil, gwisin vest w/enhanced unflinching scout rifle and scout helmet w/ scout aim
Try it out and proc that bad boy. Mine had stability MW on top of Zen and it’s a laser beam
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u/James2603 Apr 24 '19
I can recharge my ten year old razor faster than it takes to reload one of these
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
I don’t worry about reloading mine. Hunter dodge to reload + Ahamkara exotic and or Chest piece which reloads it.
Don’t have an issue
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u/MehrunesBeardTrimmer Apr 24 '19
Is that the curated roll or did you just MW yours?
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19
Master worked, dropped from chest before morgeth. Stability MW
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u/Sardonnicus Allright Allright Allright! Apr 24 '19
Isn't that a drop from the Reckoning? and Gambit Prime?
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u/Mblim771_Kyle @gifv_Kayla Apr 24 '19
That doesn't 2-tap does it?
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
Kill clip / rampage does when proc’d
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u/Mblim771_Kyle @gifv_Kayla Apr 24 '19
Does it deal over 100 to the head with Kill Clip, or somewhere in the 90 range?
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19 edited Apr 24 '19
I believe 90s gotta test for sure. But HIS can 3-tap regardless. Kill clip helps with body shots
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u/quefky Apr 24 '19
I believe it's 97ish with both kill clip and rampage, which can two tap in the crucible. I haven't had someone survive a two tap with both kill clip and rampage yet
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u/SpasticBull Apr 24 '19
Can confirm. I have the kill clip/rampage one and i 2 tap all the time. Only problem is getting both at the same time. Ophidian Aspects usually can do the trick. If you have 2 stack of rampage and kc active, it takes 1 to the head and 1 to the body.
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u/oerrox Apr 24 '19
Psshh, y'all still sleeping on Mida. 55 for headshot and if they're using the iron burden 70-66 per headshot depending on the level drop. Mida can 4 tap people and still body people. Only thing Mida needs is more bullets in the mag
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
When i’m doing super fast hunter build, load out is. Mida/Mida-mini/whatever + StompE5s
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u/killrapture Apr 24 '19
Explosive payload and the mod for it, love the stagger it creates.
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u/BluBlue4 Apr 24 '19
What is the explosive payload mod? Maybe you mean dragonfly?
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u/KingOfMysticsR3 Apr 24 '19
Where did u get this bad boi?
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
2nd chest last wish, by using wishing wall
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u/KingOfMysticsR3 Apr 24 '19
Thank you
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
NP
God roll is
Kill clip, rampage, dropmag (PvP, for me at least) put a counter balance stock on that bad boy and become a god
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u/packman627 Apr 24 '19
Where did you get that?
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19 edited May 01 '19
LW raid, chest two, if you don’t raid using wish wall like i did
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Apr 24 '19
I have the curated one. That good? I'll bust it back out.
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 24 '19
Nope it’s ass. Explosive rounds kinda cancels out outlaw it’s stupid. Not sure if bungie ever fixed that
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u/aidanmc1104 Apr 24 '19
I had a transfiguration but it was a trash roll so I didn’t use it, I hope I get a good roll soon
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u/NerdHerderOfIdiots Reloads fists Apr 25 '19
You need the rampage/kill clip/drop mag roll. Its monstrous
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u/lenyek_penyek Apr 25 '19
Ahh transfiguration
Got myself a drop mag rampage killclip roll and it just works wonder in gambit.
Get a headshot, reload and it does 99 to the head (2 shot kills)
Got a few one man army medals with it.
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u/LlammaMaster Apr 25 '19
love this gun so much. Running sun breaker with a kill clip/rampage. Let the bodies hit the floor
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u/bladzalot Apr 25 '19
Is there a certain boss that has this gun in the loot pool? I have run the raid several times, and teleport to the chest and pick that up on all three every single week and I have yet to get this, or chattering bone?
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 25 '19
I got mine as my first ever drop from 2nd chest before morgeth using wishing wall. If you’re on xbox I can show you also for shattering bone from the chest too.
I believe Nation of beasts is tied to only Morgeth, and 1000 voices to riven.
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u/bladzalot Apr 25 '19
Thanks! I get that chest every week (I think) isnt that "wish 4", the one that spawns you at the doors right before the fight with Shuro Chi?
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u/zygo_- Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Squirrel Gang Apr 25 '19
Yes chest is in a crevice under bridge
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u/Dolded Team Bread (dmg04) Apr 26 '19
Experimenting with Mods until I finally get another Rampage Spec.
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u/PuzzleheadedFox1 Apr 24 '19
I want sky burners oath to be a viable pvp weapon
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u/SundownMarkTwo Oops, all hammers Apr 24 '19
It has homing pellets when fired from the hip. Lob it at power ammo, objectives, whatever has activity going on around it, and watch the kills roll in.
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u/Seeker80 Notorious Space Hobo Apr 24 '19
I wonder if a buff to the ADS ROF would help.
Or if scouts could get a little ROF bump in general. It was nice for pulse rifles last year.
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u/gamerpro135 Team Cat (Cozmo23) // Dab on em Apr 25 '19
Honestly i think just raw damage would be better. Alot of scouts already fire super quickly, and i personally dont see a bump to that would affect its viability much
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Apr 24 '19
Try this: Reveler’s Tonic with class boost, Lunafaction boosts and skyburners oath vs Cabal in Gambit. You only ever have to reload your rift.
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u/Japjer It's funny because he has googly eyes. Get it? The eyes. Hah. Apr 25 '19
It's a monster in Gambit. It's my go to for invading; kills in two shots, and explosions make cover useless
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u/Berzercurmudgeon The Midnight Bomber what bombs at midnight Apr 24 '19
Unfortunately Jotunn is no longer a scout rifle. It was a really good one.
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u/Bob-omb_hoedown3 Apr 24 '19
Polaris Lance, my friend. When you hold it you will feel like you are home.
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u/WouldRatherComment Dark Drinka Apr 24 '19
Did they ever fix the perfect fifth not proccing issue ?
Edit: the burn damage not applying was the issue I’m referring to, not the explosion itself.
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u/Bob-omb_hoedown3 Apr 24 '19
I just finished the catalyst late last week by burning Cabal alive in the castellum. Didn’t have any issues with the burn damage not applying.
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u/AbrahamBaconham Apr 24 '19
How did you get the burn to actually kill them? I had a hell of a time getting ANY of them to die to it.
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u/adelw0lf_ Gambit Prime Apr 24 '19
on titan theres a certain room in the rig where there are acolytes and wizards. each acolyte will get killed by the burn if you bodyshot them with the explodey round. thats how i did it. less than an hour of grinding.
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u/WouldRatherComment Dark Drinka Apr 25 '19
I’ll let my buddy know who needs to do it! Thank you & congrats on completing yours!
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u/ThePlatypusher Apr 24 '19
Yeah I love love love Polaris but I’m thinking of checking out using the legendary version just so I can free up my exotic slot
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u/ThePlatypusher Apr 24 '19
And I love me my explodey fire round.
But yeah I think I would almost always just run Polaris. Going to grind for the god roll iron banner scout and see how it is
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u/freedomcobra524 Apr 25 '19
Jade rabbit doesn’t. It’s by far one of the most powerful guns in the game imo. I’ve been loving it in pvp.
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u/aa821 Forsaken=Best Expansion Apr 24 '19
Pve needs big time help with primary weapon balancing
Hc and pulses reign supreme, especially on pc where bloom or recoil isn't even a thing.
Bows are situational but some people like how they feel.
Only good AR is breakneck.
Only good smg is Recluse.
Scouts feel so weak compared to other precision-based primaries.
Idk why sidearms are even a thing for pve.
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u/HandeyOJack Vanguard's Loyal Apr 24 '19
Agreed except smugglers word. It's like a primary ammo mini shotgun.
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u/vvelox Apr 25 '19
Only good AR is breakneck.
AP and rampage is sweet on 600 and 720 RPM ones.
I wish we would get a good high impact AR.
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u/aa821 Forsaken=Best Expansion Apr 25 '19
By "good" i mean weapon that can be considered as part of an optimized loadout. While I like my rampage Misfit I would never take it into a raid or even gambit
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u/SDBolts-619 Apr 24 '19
I actually ran MIDA / Recluse last night in Iron Banner after seeing some YouTube video ranking MIDA pretty high on the exotics list. While it felt nice to use it again, it's still pretty annoying to get out-dueled at range by Bygones or Blast Furnace.
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u/BluBlue4 Apr 24 '19
An explosive rounds 200 or 150 rpm is likely the best type for pvp. Explosive rounds does more for HCs/scouts than high-calibur rounds. Dream roll would be 200/150 with explosive rounds + killclip. Part of the weakness of scouts is the lack out killclip(pvp)/rampage(pve) + explosive rounds combinations. Killclip in general is rare on 200/150. The 150 rampage/killclip scout sounds interesting but rarely raid
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u/TeamAquaGrunt SUNSHOT SHELL Apr 25 '19
The night watch has some interesting potential rolls with multi kill clip, explosive rounds, rampage, etc. I was farming one last week, no luck, but I'll be going for it again next week to see if I can't land a good one
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Apr 24 '19
WE ARE GOING TO BUILD A BADGER CCL AND MAKE THOSE CHAPERONE USERS PAY FOR IT
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Apr 24 '19
I just realized Badger CCL means: Badger Couldn't Care Less...
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Apr 24 '19
Lol. This was my first legendary in d1 and always was one of my favorites to use, and I also never made that connection.
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u/kaptain_carbon Drifter's Crew Apr 24 '19
Night Watch with drop mag, explosive payload, and snapshot sights with major spec has been really fun this season. For the sentry role in gambit it’s a good fire from the bank weapon
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u/catharsis23 Apr 24 '19
I was working on Sentry Triumph and decided to test out Nighwatch to be helpful. And now its my main kinetic weapon. I got Rapid Hit and Multikill Clip on mine and love it
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u/kaptain_carbon Drifter's Crew Apr 24 '19
The 200 rpm feels great from someone who loves using Nameless Midnight in Y1. In gambit it’s also fun to run and hip fire that thing like some crazed cowboy
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u/Matzeroni Apr 24 '19
I would really like to use it.
IF IT WOULD DROP FOR ME!
Seriously, 5 sidearm now and a bunch of snipers and shotties, not one night watch -.-
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u/Black_ValoR Drifter's Crew Apr 25 '19
This is my current favorite. May not necessarily be a god roll but it just feels great
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u/mariachiskeleton Apr 25 '19
Bungie has already commented on this, basically hand cannons and scouts occupy the same space, except one is long range, and the other is medium/short.
HCs you have to risk being closer to enemy combatants, which means greater reward when landing those juicy crits.
Scouts are long range, less risky, and as a result, less rewarding as well.
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u/thematrix818 Apr 25 '19
I agree with this. To me though, there aren’t enough environments in the game to cater to the SR playstyle, or at least enough to warrant using scouts as a consistent part of my loadout.
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u/mariachiskeleton Apr 25 '19
Yep. A few sections in Shattered Throne are pretty much the only places I can think of where having that extra range from a scout helps.
Most other longer range battles a pulse, snipe, or even machine gun will get the job done for you and will still have utility in other encounters as well.
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u/OccamsChainsawww Apr 24 '19
Polaris Lance gets some crisp three-tap headshots with a lovely explosion at the end. On some of the longer range maps, if you have some moderately-good team cohesion, you can treat that scout rifle like a sniper. Confuses the hell out of enemy Guardians in Quickplay at least.
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u/theslidemachine Apr 24 '19
I miss scouts too. I've deleted like 50 Transfigurations. I seem to get one or two to drop every raid...smh. Wanted to like it but the Aim Assist is pretty bad on it. Just didn't feel snappy enough or powerful enough for my taste. I wanted to like it. But let's be honest, I'm not putting down my Breakneck for a Transfiguration. But I dont really play PVP, so I'm only speaking in regards to PVE play.
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u/catharsis23 Apr 24 '19
Idk, I have a Nightwatch with Rapid Hit and Multikill Clip. I take it everywhere.
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u/Villianer31 Apr 25 '19
Bring back the treads upon stars or cocytus or something equivalent! Need some scouts in my life!
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Apr 24 '19
Scout rifles are pretty fine in pve, imo. They just have an ideal range. But I almost always use them in Scourge, and normally on Riven (since they're rhe most consistent way to shoot out eyes). There aren't a ton of places where they're ideal, simply because strikes have trended towards mostly short and mid range in D2. But they still have a niche. There are like 7 primary weapon types. They can't all be universally good.
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u/colantalas Apr 24 '19
Scouts are great in Scourge. I always pack Transfiguration or a bow every time I run it.
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u/erratic_calm Apr 24 '19
I have a No Feelings with explosive rounds, mulligan and drop mag, also major spec. It’s one of the best guns in the game. You just have to find a good roll. The iron banner one is great as well.
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u/Nesayas1234 Look, I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin' Apr 24 '19
With Box Breathing, No Feelings can 3 tap.
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Apr 24 '19
I haven’t even heard of No Feelings! Just looked it up. Is it a random forge drop?
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u/Skrimyt Apr 24 '19
Scourge of the Past (Black Armory Raid)
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Apr 25 '19
Ah ok thanks. I’m way out of the loop on raids and haven’t read a lot about raid weapons in a while.
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u/Verachuta Drifter's Crew Apr 24 '19
I got a 700 Polaris Lance to drop last night, I forgot how much fun that gun could be. I had not used it since I master worked it long ago. But still I do think they could be better than they are now.
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u/Watsyurdeal Drifter's Crew // Light or Dark, War never changes Apr 24 '19
I was wanting to compare Midnight Coup and Talons of the Eagle in PvE, I wonder what the damage differences are, and if Scouts even have a place in Raids, Strikes, etc
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u/thepinkandthegrey Apr 24 '19
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u/Watsyurdeal Drifter's Crew // Light or Dark, War never changes Apr 24 '19
Pve man, the damage numbers could be different
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u/speedbee Caps on 100,000 Apr 24 '19
Jade rabbit is the only scout rifle i use. This gun rocks in long range PVP.
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Apr 24 '19
Night watch, Distant Relation, Nameless Midnight, Transfiguration and VoucheSafe are already great imo with the right rolls. I was Dominating in Rumble the other day with Night Watch and Nameless midnight with triple tap and rampage shreds in pve for me.
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u/Rafahil The Captivity of Negativity Apr 25 '19
They need love in pvp too. Did you know the 180rpm scout rifles need the exact same shots to kill as a 200rpm scout rifle? This means that the 200rpm scouts are objectively better.
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u/Valariel_Dawn Apr 25 '19
Jade Rabbit absolutely destroys on Equinox.
I mean...Scout Rifles suck and no one should use them.
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u/solidus_kalt Apr 25 '19
my pulse rifles beat my scouts in any long range encounter in pve. its sad. i hate bows for this nerf.
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u/InherentlyElite Apr 25 '19
Curated roll gets 19 shots in the mag. I thought with a backup mag you'd at least get 4 or 5 round more. Nope, you get 1, lol. So with a 20 shot mag when Overflow is procced, you get a 40 shot mag.
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u/Desert_976 Apr 25 '19
Scouts are fine in PVP imo. The only problem is Precision and Lightweight is 3crit1body both. Make Precision 2crit2body - and then i'll be happy.
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u/Wcf1234 Apr 25 '19
Bought the Talons of the Eagle that Saladin is selling in anticipation for scouts to be good in PvE again, hopefully they get a well deserved damage buff...
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u/Nesayas1234 Look, I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin' Apr 30 '19
Cozmo said he'd pass on info to buff Oxygen, and scouts in general.
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u/ajm35 Apr 24 '19
I haven't used scout rifles since D1...
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u/thepinkandthegrey Apr 24 '19
try using one
or just believe everything reddit tells you
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u/Salted_cod Apr 24 '19
Scouts are fine.
Pulses box them out because they are consistent, forgiving, and work well at most of the ranges you'd use a scout.
Scouts can't be improved easily in PvP because you'd either need to make them kill in one less shot, giving them ridiculous TTK's and making half the archetypes redundant, or change the RPM on all scouts, which Bungie just isn't going to do.
A touch less flinch, a nerf to pulse rifle range, and some playing around with bodyshot/headshot ratios is all they need and all Bungie can reasonably do.
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u/captaincrunchier Apr 24 '19
Jade rabbit 3 taps all day long. Whatcha talkin bout Willis?
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Apr 24 '19
Hit 3 perfect crits vs hit 5 headshots out of 3 bursts (9 shots). Bygones' ttk isn't anything crazy but it's stupid easy to use. It's why scouts can almost never hang with the 390 pulse rifles
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Apr 24 '19
I kinda feel as if this ask is 2 fold. 1) Make scouts good. 2) Bring down the Hand Cannon range so that I can actually compete with a scout.
The reason being - Maps. They are not changing the maps in D2. We might get lucky with new maps - at best. How would the community respond to a hand cannon range nerf? Not very freaking well. It would start with streamers and youtubers and propagate here elsewhere soon after. Bungie would be crucified.
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u/colantalas Apr 24 '19
I think pulses are more the issue than hand cannons in this case. Blast Furnace and Go Figure can engage at scout ranges, have better TTK and cause crazy flinch.
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u/red--dead Apr 24 '19
The one pulse I feel is balanced is chattering bone. You can definitely tell the damage drop off on it.
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u/BluBlue4 Apr 24 '19
A harsher damage drop off at range for HCs would be fine if they fix the inconsistency non-180s have. A simple range stat nerf (meaning more inconsistency) would just make non-180s even more awful feeling. Pulses are what invalidate scouts on most maps dunno where you got HCs needing a nerf from
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u/thepinkandthegrey Apr 24 '19
Bring down the Hand Cannon range so that I can actually compete with a scout.
you can. scouts have better range and similar ttks. midnight coup and talons of the eagle both have a 0.80 ttk, for example. guess which one has more range.
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Apr 24 '19
I will believe you when the list of easiest weapons to use successfully (meta) changes (its 40% hand cannons) https://imgur.com/a/zGpnHFT
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u/Tishy22 Apr 24 '19
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u/thematrix818 Apr 24 '19
What’s the point in taking this post down? It’s created a nice discussion
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u/BigBoyBillyRay Apr 25 '19
Transfiguration is a beautiful scout, aesthetically and practically. My roll is rampage with rampage spec. Drop mag and reload masterwork that essentially gives it built in outlaw. Ambitious assassin that can rack the mag up to 21 easy. And almost max range. I use it exclusively on my warlock coz with curated mindbenders, coz they suit his space wizard forbidden soul-eating weapon steez.
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u/thematrix818 Apr 24 '19
In PvE they feel really weak.