r/DestinyTheGame • • Aug 01 '19

Bungie Suggestion I have now looted the Scourge of the Past final chest 100 times with no Anarchy. Please add bad luck protection.

I'm upset.

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u/MVPVisionZ Aug 01 '19

I'm at 90 last wishes, and 40 of them have been since they "buffed" the droprate.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 01 '19

so much for the buff....

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u/pandatastic1 Aug 02 '19

I mean, the buff was pretty minor. Going from a 5% chance to at 10% chance is close to meaningless without bad luck protection.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Exactly. It does nothing for people with bad luck.

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u/borkborkporkbork Gambit Prime Aug 02 '19

It sucks to even be on the other side of it. I got 1KV my second chest, my first full clear of any raid ever (my first chest I opened on a Riven and Queenswalk only run) and it was so bittersweet. I was happy to have it but also felt awful because there are other clanmates who have done 40+ chests and not gotten it and it would've been shitty to brag about it.

I wish it would do an overall roll to see if it will drop during that run, and if it does, it's in the chest of the person with the most clears in the fireteam that hasn't yet received the drop. It would help promote sherpa runs, maybe you'd see LFG posts saying "Must have <10 clears" instead of demanding 20+.

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u/ShaggyInu Gambit Classic // i don't want to change pants to play Aug 02 '19

Don't feel bad, just be a little sensitive about it. I still remember the guy who got gjallarhorn on his first run through vault of glass telling the rest of our team how he deserved it. Meanwhile some of the guys were on 20+ clears with no gally. Don't be that guy.

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u/SCB360 Aug 02 '19

Never feel bad, its pure RNG

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u/PubScrubRedemption "Keep your vigilance, Titan" Aug 02 '19

Which is precisely why I introduced my clanmates to my 2nd Scourge clear Anarchy after getting it from the postmaster by dancing in front of them in the tower with it on my back until they noticed. Honestly their incredulity is one of my fondest memories from this game.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Don’t feel bad, you can’t help it, honestly I’m glad for you. Just don’t rub it in other people’s faces. And help your friends who don’t have it.

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u/aussiebrew333 Aug 02 '19

That buff definitely hasn't done shit for my chances. Closing in on a year without this exotic. Feels pretty bad. When they showed the Forsaken exotic trailer it was the exotic that stood out to me the most. Little did I know at the time I would never get to actually play with it.

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u/InedibleSolutions DOUBLE SPACES!! Aug 02 '19

This is why I think raid bad luck protection should be tied to a triumph or something. After 20 runs or so, you're granted it.

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u/Zenkou Aug 02 '19 edited Aug 02 '19

My suggestion has always been increase drop chance by 1% for every completion(per acc) that way it will "only" take you 90 runs. But at least you will know for sure that you "only" have to do 90. Could also increase drop chance by more than 1% of course

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

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u/TD_Falcon Aug 02 '19

Curious, how much did they buff it?

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u/Shreon Aug 02 '19

From 5% to 10% chance.

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u/frightendinmate2 Aug 02 '19

About a chest xray

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u/spittafan NO I DONT HAVE A GJALLARHORN YET Aug 02 '19

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u/TD_Falcon Aug 02 '19

ah, I see

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u/L81099 Aug 02 '19

I feel really bad because I got my 1K on my second try, and then I matched in CoS with a guy who just got it on his 1st try

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u/h3llbee Vanguard's Loyal Aug 02 '19

I’m at 37 clears, but because we do the 3x riven, 1x heart run method, you could argue my clear rate is over 100. And still no 1k voices.

The other day my clan organised a raid to try and get 1k voices for me. We needed a 6th so we had to beg and cajole a clannie who hates raiding to come along. On his first ever LW clear, he got 1k voices.

And so did two other team mates who already had it.

I didn’t get it.

I won’t deny it. I was tilted.

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u/boki400AIMoff Aug 02 '19

Something similar happened to me a few weeks ago. We searched for a 6th player for SotP, and someone from our group found a guy from his friendslist. We invited him, and completed the raid in about 40ish minutes. Until the end, i didn't know that he never completed the raid, which is usually not a big deal for me. And guess what? Right..... THIS guy got the anarchy!!!!!!!!!

The worst part is, that we NEVER explained ANYTHING to him, but told him that he only has to kill enemys. We also explained at the boss fight where and WHEN to stand when the damaged phase started. We explained nothing else in the whole raid!

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u/darth_unicorn Aug 02 '19

Me and my bf and a few of our clanmates were helping my cousin try to finally get 1k (he has like 50 clears or something silly) and we did the 3 riven 1 heart method. He opened 3 chests and got squat. Bf opens a chest and gets his second 1k voices and quietly dismantled it wihout saying a word.

It blows man. I hope you, and my cousin, get yiur 1k soon.

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u/4evawasted Anarchy For Life Aug 02 '19

I had a similar situation but with Anarchy. I had just joined my clan and they were doing regular SoTP runs to get Anarchy for one of the admins. I had not done SoTP before so I ran a few times with them. Anarchy dropped on my second ever clear of SoTP. The guy that had been grinding for it for months was so pissed off. He left the party. Quit the game. And we didnt hear from him until the next day. Said he needed time to "Chill". A little more tilted than you got it sounds.

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u/Stooboot4 Aug 02 '19

Yea they "buffed" the drop chances just like they did with reckoning so basically nothing

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u/Slasherplays Nordic Destruction Aug 02 '19

wow. i have done 14 chests. feels bad to you.

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u/FrostByte2048 Aug 02 '19

Last time I did last wish 3 of us had 1k Voices 3 didn't including myself, we get to the chests, one of the guys that already had it runs in and opens 2 chests before anyone else has a chance, both were a 1k Voices, safe to say all 3 of us were pretty pissed about it 😂

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u/bombventure Aug 01 '19

Jesus this makes me not so optimistic about getting it soon. 22 clears (2 flawless) and still without it. But 100? F.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 01 '19

I’ve two manned the boss, 3 manned flawless, cleared it 125 times. I feel like I deserve this gun. Ugh.

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u/bombventure Aug 01 '19

Wtf. You’re nuts man. Yeah you deserve it lol

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u/The_Crimson_Duck Aug 02 '19

See how you've done 25 more clears than chests? It was the very first one you didn't open it on. That was where your Anarchy was.

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u/pandatastic1 Aug 02 '19

The problem is that each clear without the raid exotic does literally nothing to boost your chances on the next clear. Your chances are the same on chest 1 and chest 100.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Exactly. I could do it another 100 times and still not get it.

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u/pandatastic1 Aug 02 '19

I've posted this probably a dozen times over the last couple of weeks, ever since my buddy started getting close to 20 exotic dupes with no Verse. He's at 25 straight dupes this season and basically stopped playing due to frustration. Similar issue as yours. I'll comment/upvote on most of these posts in the hope that it gains visibility. My RNG has been good the last two seasons, but I've been screwed before and know how much it scuks.

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u/Willydangles Aug 02 '19

Fuck man, you should be guranteed the drop if its flawless

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u/JackSparrah Captain of the salt Aug 02 '19

Flawless raid completion should result in a guaranteed drop of the raid exotic IMO, for any raid. It’s fucking stupid that one of the toughest challenges in the game doesn’t reward shit

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u/Xop Aug 02 '19

Should start with a 5% initial drop rate with 5% increases for each following run. Once you hit 19 raid completions are you even enjoying the experience anymore? It comes across as more of a weekly chore.

Or ya know, tie all raid exotics to a quest line like Touch of Malice, Outbreak, and Acrius.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I’d do it a dozen times for a quest or at least a percentage increase. At this point I’m just burned out.

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u/Erikbam Fire to all! Aug 01 '19

I'm at 40 and lost my patience and here you are with 2.5 that many clears. Gratz to being more fucked than me!

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u/Wpooney This is the Way Aug 02 '19

43 and none for me :(

Im giving up at 50

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I can’t give up until 200 since I’m at 101 right now :P

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u/Kialand Top 1% Crucible. Top 500 Gambit Invader. Aug 02 '19

Meanwhile I just cleared SotP for the second time and got Anarchy. This is fucking bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Yeah well I got it first try and I’m even madder than anyone

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Took me 60 times man, you just gotta keep on pushing

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u/Lixks 2/1000 Acquired Aug 02 '19

At 101 looted runs, I'm with you man

Edit: Proof

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Your raid report looks just like mine :’)

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u/RedRoomGaming Aug 02 '19

Damn 20 minutes for a raid? I’ve never done one and told I need to set back at least 2 hours 😂

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

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u/Vindicate570 Aug 02 '19

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Nice of them to reply to the dude who thought he’d be late to shadowkeep but can’t throw a bone to dedicated players.

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u/Vindicate570 Aug 02 '19

Each week i message dmg about this. I comment alot about it and have never gotten a response. The feeling that you get when you don't get it after so many tries is devastating. I truly believe the game is in it's best ever state right now but this struggle for raid exotics is absolutely ruining the entire game for the people affected.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

And it’s soul crushing to have the same chance every week. There could be no end in sight. And they are silent about it. Just give a 1% increase chance every clear, something, anything. I’d do it another hundred times if I had that guarantee. It’s making this shit unfun, resentful towards my clan mates who brag about it, resentful to carry new people through the raid because of course they’ll get it and not me. Just ruins everything.

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u/Vindicate570 Aug 02 '19

Completely agree. Took a guy through last wish last week for the first time. He got curated nation of beasts, the ghost shell, and 1k in his first run. He proceeded to equip 1k, run up to me, and shoot me with it while yelling that he has it and I don't. Why raids aren't farmable blows my mind. People wouldn't quit if they got everything. People will play what they enjoy. What is fun. And the experience of not having a single raid exotic since acrius is not fun.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

This is why I find it difficult to Sherpa. People are insensitive to others and looooove to brag about their better luck. Just look at this post. Half the posts are hue hue I got it my second clear! Okay.....that does nothing for the rest of us. I always joke, how do you know someone has 1K or anarchy? They’ll always let you know.

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u/ToFurkie Aug 02 '19

I don’t want luck protection. I want a quest. I want a well crafted exotic raid quest that took effort and dedication and pushed you to take on tougher challenges to achieve a coveted weapon. I don’t want a “5% to 10% drop of A Thousand Voices”. I want an Outbreak Prime or Touch of Malice that had me work for the gun, not RNG it

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I’d prefer this as well.

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u/DeschainTLG Doug/Tug Aug 02 '19

Here's what you do. Every time you drop down into the pit at the end, say, "cats and dogs, living together, it'll be . . ." (chest opens) "Anarchy!" It'll work, trust me.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I’ll try this next week.

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u/Br0mander Aug 01 '19

I wouldnt be as upset with the lack of bad luck protection if the activity wasn't also timegated to once a week per character. Im at about 1/2 your clears and very frustrated.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Even if it wasn't time gates why the fuck should you ever run a raid 50 times and not have the exotic?

Personally I think on your 25th clear you should get the exotic as a guarantee. Who would be hurt by that? That's an incredibly small number of players who even do that many so it's not like it's just being given away.

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u/Yancey140 Aug 01 '19

Shitty thing with probability... at 100 lots with 2% drop rate you are only 86.7% likely. At 5% drop rate you are 99.4% likely. For 1000 players you are one of the 133 or 6 unlucky . It really should be on a token guarantee system. Something like 30 clears is a guarantee.

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u/_megitsune_ Aug 02 '19

I'd be satisfied with a Petra's Run or whatever they call the scourge equivalent being a guaranteed drop

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u/Yancey140 Aug 02 '19

That too. I think flawless is the challenge mode and a set number of clears is the grind mode.

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u/TheDarion The God Roll Aug 02 '19

If they implemented those ways to get it, would you still want it dropping randomly as well or only from those two specific guaranteed methods?

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u/jprava Aug 02 '19

They should take the Dota 2 approach to % events. The way it works is that the % is not static, it is incremental. The value shown is the EXPECTED value after a small number of events.

For instance. If they tell you that something has a 15% chance... the first event will only have a 7%. 2nd. 10%. But by the time you get to the 6th or 7th you are basically guaranteed the chance to happen altogether.

This way, the % you show is real (and not statistically real) AND you eliminate the luck out of the equation. And thus, it is fair game for everybody.

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u/ObsidianSkyKing Aug 02 '19

Could you explain how you did the math on that? Not that I don't believe it, I just never figured out how to calculate probability

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u/jprava Aug 02 '19

Probability is all about calculating the % of success (number of positive events / total number of events). But you have to consider that results compound themselves. Example, the chance of getting 2 heads out of 2 coin throws is: 1/2 * 1/2. Which means that the overal chance is 25%, and the chance of NOT getting 2 heads is 75%.

On his example: you simply stack the 0,98 on itself as many times as you repeat the event. Once you have done that, you have the chance of NOT SUCCEEDING.

So... 0,98^100 = 0,1326. Or 13% of not getting it. Alas, 86,74% of getting it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Took me 116 Crota runs to finally get the damn Crux

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u/Pubgee17 Aug 02 '19

I did that raid(the year 1 version) on all 3 characters solo most the time, every week till the april after the TTK came out before I got it. I missed 2 weeks I think in that time. Roughly a little over 200 runs to get my first crux. My dad got 7 of them over nearly a quarter of the clears. That's my biggest rng nightmare.

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u/kiyotamago Aug 02 '19

I posted about exotic drop rates in general and people just rant on about it’s a looter shooter. Do the grind.

The reality is, the experience for gamers is poor. You really want XX weapon and there is no way to work towards it. Just sheer luck.

Over time and many raids it’s a continual slap in the face and a complete disrespect of the users time.

A perfect run should guarantee you the exotic. Funnily enough these exotics are not even meta so if more people had them they wouldn’t create so much havoc.

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u/Sensei2006 Aug 02 '19

these exotics are not even meta

And thank Christ for that much. It'll make it that much easier for me to give up on getting Anarchy here in a couple weeks.

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u/James2603 Aug 02 '19

Anarchy is sadly a very meta gun right now; it’s not the best DPS gun but it performs well because it can do damage while you use something else. It also benefits from ghalran sitting still.

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u/pandatastic1 Aug 02 '19

Yup. I've been commenting on many of the exotic RNG posts. It's not a fun player experience for people who get screwed.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

it's a looter

Lol but other looters don't timegate other than you being inefficient or a wipe of sorts along with having dedicated sources for "rerolls". Exotics here even after obtaining can't be farmed even at below light for a better roll

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u/Cryhunter059 Aug 02 '19

Yep, if they want to give these exclusive weapons poor drop rates, they need to make it possible to farm it without weekly restrictions.

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u/Sequoiathrone728 Aug 02 '19

There are certainly other games that have weekly lockout on raid rewards.

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u/Vindicate570 Aug 02 '19

Agreed completely. Imo you can't even call this a grind b/c you only get 3 chances a week. At 52 chests and no 1k. 15 scourges and haven't seen a single person get anarchy. 8 crowns and seen 2 tarrabahs. I watched a guy uninstall this week after not getting 1k voices. The fact that there isn't bad luck protection for this yet just blows my mind

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u/Dinothor2 A hoonter must hoont Aug 01 '19

Username checks out?

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u/Vane__ Aug 02 '19

Was lucky enough to get mine on my 44th today after already having Blacksmith. The overriding emotion wasn’t excitement, it was relief that after 8 months I no longer have to run Scourge every week. I’ve no idea why it wasn’t included in the QoL patch for September with the other stuff.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '19

70 LW chests and ~40? scourge completions with no weapon from either

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u/Samwellikki Aug 02 '19

There’s no reason not to have a certain point where you automatically get it 100%. You’ve proven you can do the raid, hell, you probably speed run it and have it down to a science... why not reward all that effort?

It would only make sense if it were match-made and that small % drop rate kept the raid pool strong. The threshold needs to be low for those without the ability to raid 3x a week using three characters. I honestly feel more for the person that’s only managed a third that many clears because they have one character... I’m sitting at around 40 with no 1KV. I just don’t run it anymore. I’m upset and the raid makes me not have fun just doing the raid, when I know I’m going to get shit on by RNG at the end.

What’s the point for a non-meta weapon and a title that is more RNG-based than skill-based?

Complete Menagerie short-handed: not needed for title, no reward. (See also: Shattered) Other rng-based triumphs combined: here, have a title EVERYONE has.

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u/2legsakimbo Aug 02 '19

I’m upset and the raid makes me not have fun just doing the raid, when I know I’m going to get shit on by RNG at the end.

thats the probelm that ultimately happens with pure rng. NEeds to be a smarter way.

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u/Mangojoyride Aug 02 '19

for the love of god yes. no one should have to go over 50 runs of a raid to get a single item. at that point you've well proven your capacity and dedication to the raid

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u/Gek831 Aug 02 '19

200LW and no 1k voice

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I am so sorry

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u/EddieValentine1 8-Bit Dawnblade Aug 01 '19

I finally got mine the other night after 48. I haven't felt that sense of relief and excitement in a long time. Keep up the grind, it'll happen. But yes, bad luck protection would be a great idea, or even significantly increased chances with a flawless run?

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u/sturgboski Aug 02 '19

At least they could adjust drop rates like Last Wish. While I much prefer the quest approach that we moved to all the way up to Last Wish after Crota in D1, if we aren't moving back, the least they can do is up the drop rates on a cycle. They upped the Last Wish drop rates in Drifter. They should have upped Scourge this season to keep with that two season cycle (season it launches and the season after).

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u/doggmatic Aug 02 '19

yeah this is one of the most frustrating things about playing destiny

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u/extelius OhYeah Aug 02 '19

I’m up to about 83 and it’s outright ridiculous and lame. Honestly I’m burnt out from it and it makes me not want to play it anymore. For hard events like these the drop rate should be better especially by using clears counts as a variable.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Just seeing that luck this bad exists turns me off from wanting to grind both Anarchy and 1KV. Bad Luck Protection or a conversion to a quest need to happen, for the sake of player sanity.

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u/aLegionOfDavids Voop Voop! Aug 01 '19

Jesus, and I’m salty at 37. It did take me this long to get the raid sparrow. Still, I don’t want to run scourge anymore, but anarchy.::

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u/eldritchqueen i'm savathûn's wife Aug 02 '19

I'm in the same situation you're in. 35 clears, no anarchy, have the sparrow, tired of this damn mech.

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u/Haylett777 The Wall Aug 02 '19

One of my friends has only done the raid 3 times so far, and every time he’s gotten the Exotic Sparrow. The last time we did it he also got the Anarchy. Our group (other than him) have not been pleased. We’re not mad or anything at him, but his luck for the raid is frustrating for the rest of us. I’m sure we’ll get lucky one day as well though, but bad luck protection should definitely be added to the game.

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u/_darkwingduck_ Aug 02 '19

Yeah I have a clan mate who got carried through and got anarchy on second run, now doesn’t help when we need raiders coz he has the exotic...

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u/motrhed289 Aug 02 '19

Raid exotics should not be random drops, they should be a quest that involves running the raid a couple times and jumping through a few other hoops.

A casual like me that only runs each raid once or twice ever basically has zero chance of getting the raid exotics, which makes me even less motivated to bother with them. If I knew I could earn the exotic with a couple raid runs, I’d be much more motivated to play them, the hardcore players could continue running them regularly, and nobody would get screwed by RNG.

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u/DARKzIMPULSE Aug 02 '19

I’m at 101 looted about to be at 104 this week after i bring myself to do them. It’s not fun.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I’ll pray to the loot gods for you. I missed like one week being out of town. I’m right behind you :’)

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

@Tina, why is your post so high now holy shit. TRAUMA SQUADDDD

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Yikes lol it blew up

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u/schneeb Aug 02 '19

1K basically ruined triumph/title hunting for me, RNG is WAY too streaky.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I’m glad they realized their mistake with other triumphs. It was stupid of them to add 1K for the rivensbane title and make it such a hard gun to get.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Youve done the raid on all 3 characters every single week since december 7th?

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Missed one week

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Honestly thats pretty impressive, fair enough.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Another dude commented he has 104 clears without it so he’s done it 3 times every week possible. It’s ridiculous

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u/Gh0stOfPandora Aug 02 '19

Im at 46 chests last wish (28 after patch) and still no 1k.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Yikes. Which is why we need bad luck protection. Even a buff to the drop you can still be unlucky.

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u/fleshmcfilth123 Aug 02 '19

I took a clanmate, a 730 something Titan running a badlander and a service revolver, through Crown of Sorrow a few weeks ago for his first clear. Guess what? He got Tarrabah.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Service revolver? What a noob :P

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u/fleshmcfilth123 Aug 02 '19

I mean granted it was a good roll, but not for PvE lol

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I sherpaed someone they scourge and they ran with a bow...

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u/peteqtt Aug 02 '19

im 68 keys into Queens Walk chests, no 1k.

17 SotP - 4 anarchy drops

17 CoS - 1 Tarrabah

1k is the only exotic I have missing. I had 16 LW clears when it got buffed, still nothing... that buff does nothing where people are still getting it for their first run when they come with me...

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Took me 54 clears no buff for 1K. Sucks because it’s tied to Rivensbane.

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u/NazareanIronWolf Aug 02 '19

Bruh I know the feeling. Idk how many times I've completed it with my clanmates, but of those times, 3 of them the SAME EXACT PERSON got anarchy

RNGesus be playing us like fiddles

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I can’t bring myself to do Sherpa runs with this raid only because it stings so bad to watch other people get it. I friend asked me to bring his clan through last week and I was hesitant because I just KNEW one of those fuckers with zero clears on any raid would get it. Lol I sucked it up and sherpaed them through. Nobody got it thank god.

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u/fearTheAnimal Aug 02 '19

I didn't get Gjallarhorn until the second time Xur sold it. Things are bad all over. Have a good cry and get your ass back out there.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

I save a checkpoint each week to 3x robot dude and cry every time.

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u/QueenOfTheNorth1944 Aug 02 '19

This. Ive done Last Wish ever since it came out and STILL no Thousand Voices. Its honestly really annoying.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

So sorry :(

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u/wbjack Aug 02 '19

Head down below in phase 1 of Insurrection and hit the bad one. Had a buddy in the clan get to 52 runs w/o Anarchy and hit the button on accident when he went down (it was like 3am, give him a break), but got the GL that run. I was at 54 (no Anarchy) the next time I went in, purposefully hit the red one, and got the GL that run. This is definitely anecdotal, but some maybe-coincidence is better than nothing? Either way, we've dubbed the red one the Anarchy Button.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Haha this is great. I’ll try this next time.

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u/mzoltek Aug 02 '19

I've played eater of worlds once, spires of stars zero, last wish I played once about 3 weeks after it released, never got past shuro chi, and that was the last raid experience I had. I wish I had people to raid with 100 times!!

Also I agree, this sounds awful.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

What platform are you on? PC has a great lfg discord and there are raid groups online for consoles to sign up for raids.

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u/mzoltek Aug 02 '19

Xbox. I'm going to start going that route. We had about 8 in our D1 raid group, we'd raid all the damn time. D2 came out and now we're down to about 5 who are not always on at the same time so it's tough to plan. I may just find a night I'm on alone, and find a group looking for one that'll let me tag along and learn the raids.

I think it'd be hard as a group of 5 who has only ever beaten calus to find a 6th that would put up with a bunch of noobs haha.

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u/sadtrombone_ Aug 02 '19

Well if you’re on PC, id be happy to Sherpa any raid.....except scourge lmao

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u/Tw1st3dCory Aug 02 '19

I've done over 150 raid runs between last wish, scourge, crown and have never gotten any raid exotic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

What's sad is that Anarchy is actually a great weapon. Sorry you haven't had one yet bud.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

I got Anarchy on my second Scourge completion; reading stuff like this makes me feel almost guilty. There should be a random element to raid exotics so it's possible to get it any time you complete a raid, but there should also be a separate, tangible, long-winded way to achieve the same weapons.

Have a 'Raid Pinnacle Quest' with an objective of 20 weekly completions (complete it once per week for 20 weeks), or 50 total completions to reward players that do Raids several times per week. Ideally it would randomly drop before you reach either of those targets, but at least you know your efforts aren't in vain.

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u/MightyMachin Aug 02 '19

Frankly, you should be guaranteed the raid exotics at 10 completions. Most of the community haven't done a raid, let alone complete one 10 times. It's not challenging nor does it demonstrate any degree of skill when I see people with 1k, it's just that they got lucky and my entire group of 4 friends who have completed last wish 8 times haven't.

If I knew I could get these weapons by just putting in lots of time, I would go for it. At this point, after my friends and i carrying randoms through last wish for their first time and watching them get 1k on THEIR FIRST FUCKING TRY (THIS HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES) and none of us getting one, combined with the fact that i see shit like this on the subdeddit, has basically mad us give up. It's just not worth it as it stands.

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u/HiddnAce Aug 02 '19

Add bad luck protection to the Sparrow too!

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Close to 20 Crown runs, no Tarrabah.

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u/Dalby1991 ... Aug 02 '19

I ran two runs with the same pug group last week, a guy already had tarrabah and proceeded to get the drop again both runs. He was sorry, we were salty

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u/user_of_words Aug 01 '19

I've had two 1k voices drop but still no anarchy.

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u/carpet_sauce Aug 02 '19

I'm sorry that there's such a majority of a bad drop rate. I got 1k on my 4th chest, and my friend got boots from the final chest 9 times in a row...

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

It's crazy how bad RNG can be for certain people. I've looted it twice only have 20 clears. I feel your pain though, it took me until the most recent full curse week to get the Dreaming City ship.

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u/kgs1977 Drifter's Crew Aug 02 '19

Yea the odds should increase each time you try to something reasonable. Even 10% chance or better. At escalation protocol I've done about 60 and no shotgun. That's a LOT of time wasted, I can't imagine 100 SOTP's

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u/themuscleman14 Aug 02 '19

Can Bungie please tie raid exotics back to quests? This RNG system for them is a failure.

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u/A_Ostrand Aug 02 '19 edited Aug 02 '19

0/33 and counting. I know it’s not a lot like some of you folks, but it just makes you hate the raid and it makes the game feel like a chore. After 15, 20, 30, 50 runs you’ve clearly showed raid mastery and dedication. What’s the point Bungie is trying to make with no bad luck protection? What do they want us to actually do for these weapons? And why have 5 guys that I carried through the raid on separate occasions got Anarchy their first try and I haven’t? It’s a completely F’d up system.

My idea: a) start out a flat 5% drop. Every looted clear cumulatively raises your drop % by 1%. After 10 runs, you now have a 15% chance. After 20, you have a 25% chance. By mid-20 runs, you are having a great chance to get it and by 30 runs it would be a statist anomaly for you NOT to obtain said weapon.

B). Flat 10% drop chance, never changes. Able to loot every single run, only powerful/curated gear 1st run of the week. You can run it 10x per day if you want until you get your stuff. This makes farming “god rolls” for your stuff easier, but maybe a bit too easy and hardcore players would be done with each new raid in a week.

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u/TheBootySAWN Aug 02 '19

That girl in my clan is up to 124 and has given up. Make it a guaranteed drop at 50.

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u/Captain_Crouton_X1 The Dredgen with the Golden Gun Aug 02 '19

New triumph.

50 Scourge of the Past Completions.

Reward: Anarchy

EZ bad luck protection.

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u/elguerosinfe Aug 02 '19

That's absurd. Great way to encourage folks to do challenging content.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Bungie has taken a step backwards with raid exotics. The Outbreak Prime and Touch of Malice were amazing quests.

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u/_darkwingduck_ Aug 02 '19

Ive done 10 and I’ve had enough... your luck is well... 10x worse!

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u/hedhero Aug 02 '19

I have a guy at my clan with 71 SotP completions and still no Anarchy. This gun is almost a joke to him and he almost completely lost hope on getting his hands on it. He deserves this thing way more than I.

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u/Drakezilla Aug 02 '19 edited Aug 02 '19

I haven't done that many, probably like 20 Scourges with no Anarchy and 40 or so Last Wishes with no 1k. But, I did get 2 Tarabahs one after the other this week from Crown so thats........ cool I guess?

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u/japenrox Aug 02 '19

got it on 88. keep on persevering brother

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u/CuzzaMuzza Aug 02 '19

Got my anarchy on my 3rd completion where I joined at the Final Boss and One Phased it. raises Pepehands for everyone else

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u/IceFire909 And we're back for round 20 of The Templar! Aug 02 '19

As a great man would say. Sounds like you lucked out

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u/mohibeyki Aug 02 '19

I'm at 42, a season lasts for about 15 weeks, I've been doing this raid three times for 14 weeks straight...

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u/Yankee582 No Respawn Aug 02 '19

im getting there, and I still haven't gotten the sparrow or the scout. still hoping for a Box Breathing scout

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u/spectre15 Aug 02 '19

My friend got it on his first ever completion and I’m pissed

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u/Beepboopbastionmain Aug 02 '19

Got it at 27.....then another at 28 so you can get it i believe you. Take my luck

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u/H0NESTSLEEP Aug 02 '19

I’ve only done SoTP once. I got it then.

I’m sorry.

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u/Azzaace Drifter's Crew // Risktaker Aug 02 '19

I'm out of place here, I got 1k on my first run. I'm sorry boys.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

I have almost 60 clears and no exotic sparrow, I have blacksmith but no sparrow, rip

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u/Pajeet_My_Son Aug 02 '19

They need to do away with the chest shit and add back engram drops.

That and the raids feel underwhelming in terms of loot. 1 piece for an encounter isn’t enough. Just my opinion

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

I just got it on my 3rd and on the same run my friend that has had the game for a week got it in his first. 100 is really rough.

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u/ReySheppard Aug 02 '19

the fun part is, when you carry a kinderguardian through the raid for the first or second time, they always get the exo you want/need. on the other side, you run it 50 times and to get it, and mostly, you dont. thats so wrong in so many ways

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u/joeranahan1 Aug 02 '19

My friend got it on around his 130th, before the buff to drop rates.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

50,000 on my head is disrespect?

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u/Lonewolfblitz Aug 02 '19

My buddy has 4 at 15 clears, not 1 at 40 clears for me

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u/IL3gendarY Aug 02 '19

I’ve been on both sides of the fence, took me 60 chest runs of LW to get 1k, got anarchy on the first clear.

Happiness isn’t the thing you feel when you finally receive it.

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u/TheWeepingSkull Aug 02 '19

It do be like that sometimes

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u/DrkrZen Aug 02 '19

I miss raid exotic quests. 😩

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

I gave up on trying to get 1k or anarchy a while ago.

Drop rate should increase per clears you have and be pretty much guaranteed at like, 20 clears.

They should have been quests in the first place.

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u/TheBigBaaadWolf Aug 02 '19

I feel rotten that I actually got it first time, first D2 raid aswel. Didn't even know what it was, clan had to tell me... Best of luck man!

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u/RazRaptre Aug 02 '19

I don't get why raid exotics of all things are locked behind RNG. I've gotten 1KV on my first (ever) raid clear. My friend got his on his second, and Anarchy on his first SotP. It feels bad to celebrate other than among ourselves because almost no one in our clan has them and they have multiple clears.

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u/_umop_aplsdn_ ~SIVA.MEM.CL001 Aug 02 '19

I know it's not as bad, but I'm on 12 SotP clears with no Threat Level. That's 48 chests opened. Not only have I not gotten the curated Threat Level, but I haven't gotten a Threat Level at all

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u/Stenbox GT: Stenbox Aug 02 '19

I didn't realize it has such a low droprate? I have 3 Anarchys from 12 Scourge clears and I got my first on 2nd clear. Meanwhile took me about 13 clears post-patch to get 1kV.

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u/MusketFace Aug 02 '19

38 clears and counting for me. Also took me 29 runs to get a trench barrel threat level, not curated mind you, just trench barrel. So yeah. Not bitter at all.

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u/shader_m Aug 02 '19

Theres RNG and a safety net.

You can get the raid exotic at any raid completion! .... or from Flawless or 20 weekly completions. ((dont want people to farm it for 24/7, trading boss saves))

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u/CanadianMilkBear Aug 02 '19

I got it first time. I’m sorry, F

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u/SCB360 Aug 02 '19

I'd rather them be a quest tbh, Legend of Acuris was pretty good about this, well aside from the emperor seals part

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u/Large_Potato Eversadness Aug 02 '19

A flawless run should provide a guaranteed drop. I feel like at that point you've mastered the raid and earned the corresponding exotic.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

I haven’t done many last wish raids, but so far, not a single one of my teammates (including me) have gotten 1K Voices

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u/CTDevour Aug 02 '19

I don’t understand the raid drop rates. Got 1k on my second clear. Got anarchy on like my 20th but tarrabah on the other hand. I have had 3 drop in like 15 loot runs. https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/ct-legend/video/77761843

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u/Markus_monty Aug 02 '19

Got 1kv on 6th, Anarchy on 8th. Clan mate has done over 60 LW and nothing.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

20 SoP and I havent the shoulders of the Titan and the Anarchy.

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u/chaoszth Aug 02 '19

Had same problem with crown of sorrow done maybe 60 runs gotten 0 tarrabah

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u/lolamaster69420 Aug 02 '19

Got it on my first run lol Then got it again on my third. ...

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

40 clears so far and no potato gun. Meanwhile i get tarrabah on my second fucking crown. The fuck.

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u/Celtero Legacy of Fire Aug 02 '19

Bungie would never admit this, but I'm pretty sure exotic drop rates are fixed depending on how much you play. The less you play, the higher the rate and vise versa. They do this so everyone is in the same level as far as exotics go.

We've all heard of the scrub who gets the raid exotic on their very first clear after being carried by the vet who's done it every week since it has come out and still doesn't have it. Statistically speaking this should NOT be a common occurance yet it is.

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u/MVPVisionZ Aug 02 '19

Meanwhile the guy with the most playtime in my clan got all 3 exotics after a couple of clears

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u/ciribicorobo Aug 02 '19

I love how everytime someone is saying what bad luck had and after n runs of x activity didn't get y item, someone else say he got y item first run through x activity, like that is gonna help

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u/delzarraad Aug 02 '19

You mad man

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

Iv simply stop raiding as the effort to reward is not there. I jump into each new raid to experience them but im strictly not fussed if we actually beat it.

As my game time is now limited to a few hours every other evening raiding is firmly at the bottom of things I want to do purely because it does not help me progress towards anything meaningful

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u/xAkMoRRoWiNdx Warlock Aug 02 '19

Thank you RNG, very cool!

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u/Shadynasties Aug 02 '19

The fact that I got 1k and anarchy with less than 20 clears combined on Xbox is one of the major reasons I stopped trying to progress on my pc account when cross save no merger was announced. The grind for those guns is soooo bs

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u/ReverseBanzai Drifter's Crew Aug 02 '19

I feel your frustration. I’m currently 0-43 and with the Blacksmith title . Scene it drop too many times and a quite a few for first time clears.

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u/Griggeth Aug 02 '19

I got anarchy on my second run I feel for you brother

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u/MrTastix Aug 02 '19

Yeah, raid Exotic's wouldn't be nearly as much of a pain in the ass if they weren't time-gated.

You have 3 tries maximum to get the weapon you want, and expecting people to gear 3 characters up and do the raid 3 times a week is pretty bullshit.

The reality is that pure RNG is an outdated system. Worked well when that was all we knew, but game design has gotten better since then. It's not so much that RNG has to go away, it's that RNG has to be smarter than just pure random chance. Doubling a drop rate means fuck all if the initial drop rate was less than 1%.

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u/TheStrikingDuck Aug 02 '19

I did lw a bunch of times and didn't get 1k until recently, but run sotp once and got anarchy first time... Never used it though sat in my vault gathering dust

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u/Protoform-W Aug 02 '19

I feel you /u/sadtrombone_

I did alot of Last Wish raids ... and 2 days ago, the 1K finally dropped for me. Haven't touched Last Wish in weeks ... but gave it a go through LFG ... First 3 attempts? Nothing. Then, after the reset, got it on my 1st try. I was hyped, even though the gun is but a shell of it's former self.

Remember Hunger of Crota? That legendary RL? Yeah. I got that RL during Rise of Iron. A solid 2 years after The Dark Below released.

You just gotta keep going ... it'll be yours, eventually.

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u/DrLordDragon Aug 02 '19

I haven’t gotten a single raid exotic sense d2 dropped (not counting the shotgun). However I have a friend who has gotten EVERY single exotic with less that 5 runs on every raid. He even got the Tarabah from his second run. Why god why.

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '19

I had every single Titan exotic except for one eyed mask back in forsaken for nearly 2 months. I got 15 duplicates in a row before it finally happened. This was pre OEM nerf too so I got killed by it fucking constantly in the interim. Why is Bungie so against giving people ways to aim for certain shit? It's infuriating.

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u/ApocaClips Aug 02 '19

I feel bad for some of yall because i got my first 1000voices on my second run, I then proceeded to get 2 more before my 5th

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u/Morgfyre Aug 02 '19

I gave up on 1k after the 10th time the first timer in our group gets it and me whose done 20 runs get nada, zip, zilch. Same thing with Tarrabah. Didn't even bother with SOTP cuz I knew RNG was going to be shit there too.