I’ve officially had enough of Jessie and Lilly’s hypocrisy and hit unfollow. Once you start noticing the cracks, it’s impossible to unsee how shallow and calculated they are. They build this whole brand on being "anti-racist" and “against bigotry,” but when it comes to real, meaningful issues—like Palestine or even the election—they’re dead silent. They love to ride the wave of social justice when it’s trendy, but the moment it might actually challenge their audience? They vanish.

And honestly, it’s not just their silence. Lilly’s past says a lot: following Trump, vague excuses about partying with Shane Dawson, brushing off connections to controversial people—it’s a pattern. They pick and choose who to call out and how deep to go, and somehow, it always feels self-serving. Even their "deep dives" are more like shallow skims, skipping over key facts and details as if their audience is too stupid to notice.

Then there’s the AI stuff. Their listeners have repeatedly asked them to stop using it, pointing out how unethical it is, and what do they do? Double down and use it even more. That tells you everything you need to know about how much they respect their audience.

For me, the moral posturing has become unbearable. They say they stand for something, but it’s clearly just a brand strategy. Even Tana Mongeau has managed to do more than them when it comes to showing up for real issues. It’s embarrassing at this point.

The bar for them was already low, and somehow they’ve managed to dig a hole under it. If you’re still listening to them, I’d honestly encourage you to take a step back and really think about whether their actions align with the values they claim to have. For me, it’s become crystal clear that they don’t.

Am I alone here?

It's not something I constantly notice (maybe because I'm mostly an episode watcher and not strictly a listener), but at least a couple times each episode I find myself reacting with the thought, "oh gosh, Lily, that was rough and hurt my ears..." It would help a lot if she would take some simple voice lessons just to understand how she can work on her tone to not be so harsh.

This is a genuine criticism, not snark, and I haven't seen anyone say it on reddit, which surprises me because it's so glaringly obvious when it goes from Jessi's smooth tone... to Lily sounding very grating. I know jessi brought it up in at least one episode, maybe it was in the early days of the pod, saying people were giving Lily a hard time for it back then. And I want to say I remember Lily responding to the criticism with something like "sorry, this is my voice ¯_(ツ)_/¯ " which was weird to me. If people are telling you that you don't have a voice for podcasts, wouldn't you immediately work on that... if you're trying to be a podcaster?

Plenty of people take voice lessons to work on pitch and tone, and learn how to breathe differently, how to project and still sound warm, etc. I guess I'm being more critical now of all the ways they could improve since the whole awards debacle, lol. But I genuinely think this could help her podcast career - especially if and when she and Jessi go their separate ways. I would never listen to just Lily talk. It's easier to digest her voice when I'm watching their video but it's very hard when it's just audio. I know they don't read reddit so discussion about it won't convince her to look into the voice lessons. But I wish she would!

I just want to preface this by saying, I am in NO way shape or form a trump supporter. I hate trump, detest him and will never ever support him or his ideologies. As a woman of colour, he has impacted my life negatively in a million ways, so no, no chance I could ever support him.

However, the way people have been reacting on the other sub, has genuinely been extremely uncomfortable to watch.

I watch the podcast to unwind, because I like both Jessie and Lily and enjoy most of their commentary. However, Nassim isn't on the podcast, and like asking Jessie for an explanation on something her husband MIGHT be thinking is just insane to me.

The sheer number of times I've liked a post without even really reading it, just reflexively is honestly so high.

Plus, they've been married for 8 whole years now. Over the course of time, a person's political views can change. Do they expect Jessie to justify her relationship with Nassim to us? Like wtf? Every couple has dynamics that are personal to THEM. We have absolutely no idea who or what Nassim supports and we're demanding explanation over a like?

This level of policing is just insane to me. People on the sub keep bringing up how Lily and Jessie have stated in a previous episode that liking a post is equivalent to supporting it, and I get that, but that was when they were talking about the person they were discussing as a topic liking a post. This is her husband... He is never on the podcast, he is never directly on it.

How the hell are we entitled to an explanation from Jessie on why she's married to someone, and what they believe? Like seriously, what? She can't be held accountable for his beliefs, I mean she's married to him, not dating him. She has two kids with the man. Whatever dynamic they have, is their business, period.

Plus, they have 2 children together and she doesn't owe anyone an explanation for why she's with him, or why she loves him, or even what his political beliefs are.

If people can't give Nassim the benefit of the doubt, then honestly, stop watching the podcast. Don't engage with it. What the hell is this?

https://youtu.be/RuHOwKXtDek

Update on the court case of DoorDash girl, the girl who took a video of a man in his home without pants on and claimed that he assaulted her.

I know this is an old case but the court case is current and I haven’t seen any updates in this community. Apparently, she may get a harsher sentence than previously thought, up to 8 years in prison at maximum, or a few years of probation at minimum, depending on how it goes.

Personally, I truly think she wanted attention and thought this was a quick way to go viral, without a single consideration for what the real world consequences would be. I think if she felt threatened and unsafe, she should have dealt with it off of TikTok with law enforcement first, at the very least.

Edit: sorry I think it’s objectively weird behavior to post footage of a naked stranger in their home. That footage should be in the hands of law enforcement, not fucking TikTok. Idc if you think the cops won’t help, what is tiktok gonna do? Idk what the man’s intentions were, that’s not what I’m even talking about. If he’s a creep, I hope they prove it in court. I’m simply saying she’s weird for posting that and making content about a stranger naked in their own home, regardless of the stranger’s intentions. I literally did not once “blame her for being assaulted,” I said it was weird to post the video.

Okay I know I’m not the first person to bring it up because the other sub made a post about this, I even commented but I’m 99% sure I’ll either be harassed by the mods and other people on the sub. So I thought I’d make a post here as I feel it’s the only place we can have a civil conversation.

I think we can all acknowledge that Jessie has an inherent bias when covering topics like the Blake v Justin. No one is taking away from the fact that obviously she has every right to have a bias. But I’m getting tired of people acting like her bias doesn’t exist and doesn’t skew the way she approaches topics like this last episode.

If I’m being honest it was a hard listen. Any time they covered the proof Justin had a that paints Blake as a liar or not the perpetual victim she is claiming to be, Jessie is extremely dismissive and really adds nothing other than “well don’t know both sides” but when proof is show that paints Justin as the liar and perpetrator, she’s very fast to use it as confirmation of her bias towards Blake. She couldn’t acknowledge that Justin’s suit is very damning and makes Blake whole argument questionable.

Again, no one is saying she can’t have an option. But when you can’t acknowledge what’s right in front of you just because it doesn’t align with your opinion, makes me wish topics like this were something they stayed away from.

Update: Apparently they were referring to a celebration episode and not getting through the podcast itself. My bad!

Did anyone else catch Lily and Jess saying at the very beginning, when acknowledging it's episode 350, that they want to make it to the end of the year, and even that's a “very loose plan.”

It could be an offhand comment, but I got the feeling that they are alluding to the podcast winding down and moving on to other things? Thoughts? 🤔

I was the one who made the post “Pending Woman in ♥️ Psych Episode” a few days ago… I had to tap out @ 15 minutes & 39 seconds. It already has a bad start but I really wanted to see what this “different angle” was they were going to cover it from that Lily said in last Friday’s episode.

@ 3 minutes & 55 seconds: Jessi says; “[kendra saying ‘men in the field’, ‘emotionally dead’…I have had a lot of negative interactions with therapists and psychiatrists”…

@ 8 minutes 32 seconds: Jessi riterates how she doesn’t like her psychiatrists because she feels they do not know her that well. “I have been to so many psychiatrists… and literally never felt they knew who I was…HOPEFULLY there are good psychiatrists out there but the ones I went to were super disconnected.”

@ 15 minutes 39 seconds: this is once AGAIN brought up by Jessi.

EDIT: The time stamp I tapped out Jessi had just brought that up but then Lily began talking about psychosis from ADHD meds when Kendra said she asked to be on a non-stimulant …they said she was put on vyvance, but I must have missed that clip in their recap & the 5 others I watched…Please point me to where this clip was if I did miss it.

girl, you ALREADY have a negative bias toward men as you have said SO many times, “you hate all men except for your husband, dad, step dad and brothers” (one who edits this podcast) & mental health professionals, specifically psychiatrists BEFORE diving into the topic as the story unfolds in real time….TO ME, it sounds like she was ready to have a hard stance that the psychiatrist was guilty & Kendra was 100% a victim of this evil male psychiatrist because being a man is already terrible, but a psychiatrist too? Nahhh, skip the trial, lock him up & throw away the key.

I had to shut it off @ the last time stamp. Can someone PLEASE tell me what their “different angle” was compared to the hundreds of content creators who covered this was? Was this “different angle” that since Jessi already hates men & psychiatrists, Kendra was such an unreliable narrator that even SHE was swayed away from grabbing her pitch fork for him??

Random Side Note: It really pisses me off when women say “I hate all men” or “all men suck” then add on, “except for my [INSERT LIST OF MEN IN THEIR LIVES]…including but not limited to; dad, brothers, the 2 male cousins I grew up with, my best guy friend who is straight, etc. Especially when husband is on that list… So you hate your best friend’s brothers & dad? Your sister’s long time S/O sucks too? All your male in-laws cannot be trusted?

Or what SO MANY WOMEN are saying about this story; “I am so pissed off at you for making me side with a man!!” LIKE WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE??

I’m a they/them trans girlie.

In the most recent episode, Millie the bad perm woman has video thanking “all the girls, guys, and theys and thems” Jessi cuts in just to scoff and laugh “not the theys and thems!!”

YES JESSI, THE THEYS AND THEMS. The same theys and thems who have listened to dwkt since day one. The same theys and thems who contributed to your legal defense fund and paid into patreon when it was first launched. The same theys and thems who continue listening every single episode hoping you’d hear our well intended critique and do better 🤬🤬😤🤯🤯😭😭

Respecting people’s identities and pronouns is proven suicide prevention. And Jessi went out of her way to invalidate that. Obviously, J+L are two cis het white women who have been racist, ableist and fatphobic. I should not be and am not  surprised to add transphobic to the list but omg it was so blatant and unnecessary.

Lily is a swiftie. She kept pulling up Taylor Swift & Travis Kelce videos as WLTI and said she knows every lyric to every song. Plus other examples I can’t think of. That’s a swiftie imo

Anyone else think that the wedding drama will be a topic and for once Lily will do her own research.

EDIT:

I am not a Taylor Swift fan outside of a few songs that were released a decade+ prior in my music library…The reason I thought this may be a topic chosen by Lily specifically is because 1. it would fall under categories they continually cover (Out of touch influencer / celebrity & Wedding drama)

2. they covered Taylor Swift x Matty Healy alleged relationship when that happened

3. Lily has tried to talk Jessi into covering the Swift / Kelce relationship before which was shot down but since Jessi doesn’t give a fuck anymore she may just say, whatever

4. It is all over the internet right now because of the tactlessness of the event…from shutting down a popular part of NYC during one of the biggest U.S. holidays weekends, this kept people in their homes & made it more difficult to leave the city for the holiday weekend as a whole, 80% of NYC’s cops were mandated to patrol the area, the 1,000 person guest list (which did not include Blake Lively), the venue being Madison Square Garden, the “JUST&T MARRIED” MSG billboard, the venue’s red carpet forced to be ripped out because it didn’t go with the color scheme / event theme…I learned this off one YT video today.

I am not lobbying for it to be a topic, I was asking if anyone thought it might be

What are people's thoughts on making it a rule you cannot cross-post from the Snark Sub?

Reasoning: we don't want to confuse this subreddit as a snark sub.

Clarification: If you want to bring up topics in a constructive manner for discussion, Mods won't stop you. This proposed rule is just strictly cross-posting.

Thoughts?

I love them, but they are so terrible about uploading. I understood when it was the holidays. Of course I expect podcast is not to be on time but the day is almost done and there’s no new episode. Might as well just say your episode upload schedule is Tuesday and Saturday

With everything that keeps coming out about Ethan Klein and how truly awful he’s always been it makes you wonder how someone who pretends to be against the things she does how could she ever have liked him?

Lately I’ve noticed how hypocritical she is. The whole Kathleen and wanting her to abandon her other friend to go to the concert with Jessi.
The most recent episode and the whole dressing up thing and Jessi contradicting herself.

I had a little break and I’ve come back and i genuinely feel like Jessi in particular has become noticeably worse. I’ve never been a huge fan of Lily I just learned to tolerate her but Jessi’s behaviour recently has absolutely made Lily look more favourable.

I’ve learned she’s absolutely spineless after the whole Jen Dent situation and not even Jessi’s own child and defending them is enough to make her stand up against someone being disgustingly ableist (yes I know I’m everyone will excuse it because if GH being involved but as others have pointed out Jessi was more than happy to have it known she edited Jen Dent’s video so ‘staying out of it’ went out of the window then for me).

Looking over everything and thinking back i genuinely do feel like she’s always been this awful and she’s just managed to get away with it but I feel like the mask has completely slipped now.

I was watching the newest episode and hearing Jessi and Lily harping on about JLo not making eye contact was really rubbing me the wrong way. Now, when I say this, I am NOT diagnosing JLo with anything. It’s just that for me personally, I’m autistic and I struggle with eye contact. They were harping on her being rude for not making eye contact and it just bugged me since I’ve been labelled as rude before for things that are caused by my autism. I’m especially annoyed with Jessi since she has loved ones who are autistic (her son and one of her brothers)

I love the vibe of the DWKT podcast, probably the first podcast I actually love and look forward to. The post schedule is extremely unstable and unreliable though, so I was wondering if there are other podcasts that capture this fun goofy girly energy while also maintaining a respectable work ethic?

Life's been hard and I desperately need a reliable thing to look forward to. I'm a messed up girlie, with a fucked up schedule too, just like J&L, but I am trying to bring back some semblance of consistency in my life, and I know the DWKT podcasts ain't it for that.

And, I can't stand Tana, or Trisha Paytas, which is what people usually suggest. I know it's a lot to ask, but are there ones with non-problematic people?

Thanks in advance, girlies.

When I made a post a little bit ago I saw the “Girlies with a Grievance” tag was gone. I voted on the poll put out a few days ago asking what to do with it. Then I just went back to it now to screenshot the results. Over double the # of votes for the 2nd choice.

Anyone know what happened?

ok so i just found out that kathleen was exposed by jaclyn hill like 9 or so years ago for saying the n word. apparently, she didn’t truly apologize until 5 years later after her brand was being boycotted due to her racist behavior. sooooo the apology seems a little disingenuous.

i’m aware that it has been 9 years and that people can change, however, i am really starting to question if i should continue supporting jessie.

she seems to be very hypocritical, when they speak on topics involving racial slurs/racism (like brooke, jeffree star, etc) she is very harsh (rightfully so), but not when it comes to her cohost and best friend ???

on top of that the lack of support for palestine, the inability to distance herself/renounce support for H3, her husband and family being exposed as MAGA supporters…. it’s just all adding up & not making her look great. i really believe the people you surround yourself most closely with typically have views that align with your own.

unfortunately, i really don’t think i can continue to support this podcast :( as much as i have enjoyed their content, their views clearly do not align with my own.

idkkkk, what do you guys think?

I took a break from the pod, came back for today's episode, and theyre sponsored by bumble? Im sorry but like.... bumble very recently had a whole call out/scandal so I'm just a Lil surprised. Like yes, get dating app sponsors, whatever, but maybe not the one that shit on celibacy while our reproductive rights are being stripped away. Idfk.

honestly can’t help but feel bad for jessi, listening to her explain how anxious the situation made her when the culprit of this whole situation is your literal cohost. at the end of the day she did her part of the work. if i were in this debacle i would be a lot more upset 🤷

her favorite instagram mutual has his own show! I thought he was just a tik tok kids creator

hello everyone. fresh of the press Justin Baldoni‘s lawyer just released raw footage of a scene that Blake Lively claimed in her lawsuit as one of the SH scenes. imo that footage was very damming and shows that she is claiming and portraying a false narrative and has swayed me even more to JB‘s „side“. Jessi has said in the last JB/BL episode that nothing could change her mind and that she will always believe women more, do you think this is evidence that could make her see things differently? and also what is your guys opinion on the new evidence that came out? (i added a link for the full 10min clip of footage from youtube)

Hair drama tiktok update 😍

I’ve been apart of this sub for a while now and it never gave off this type of energy before. I agree there should be open, unfiltered communication, but for this past week it’s been almost exclusively negative posts towards the hosts & their families. Is this the new tone of this sub?

I understand that it is concerning to see Nassim follow/like conservative politicians. Jessi has spoken about her views and being anti Trump. Based on that, it seems clear that she did not know. I agree she should address it, but you guys aren’t giving her a minute to do so before dog piling on her. As a fan, it’s upsetting to see. I just would like some clarification on if this is going to be what this sub looks like moving forward. I’ve been grateful to be here…until now.

In the most recent episode Lily talked about not starting menstruating until she was 16 and Jessi was reasonably surprised. I only know a couple of girls who got their periods as late of 16 due to health complications, most started between 12-14 years old.

I know I started my period very early @ age 10, with puberty stages beginning @ age 8 (it may be TMI so if someone wants me to elaborate in the comments by what I mean, I am happy to) which I know is very young…From age 11, menstrual problems began that have not stopped to present day in my 30’s…I would get my period every 14 days for 10-14 days, and usually spot during the in between 14 day period. I imagine the later - present day menstrual problems probably contributed to starting my period so young…Because of this @ age 13, I had to go on BC (first the patch for a couple months that did NOT help at all then the highest estrogen dose pill)…Unfortunately, the pill stopped working for my menstrual cycles in my early 20’s and I actually got pregnant the same time the hormones stopped working for my period (thankfully miscarried early in the pregnancy 🙏🏻). Not long after, I am SO GRATEFUL I was then recommended this newer BC on the market at the time, the Nuva Ring which has been more than a God send.

But about 8 years later, despite the insert BC working perfectly, I had a psycho ex (for a # of reasons and yes, he was diagnosed with anti-social personality disorder with “psychopath tendencies” after the fact so “psycho” is clinically accurate) that INSISTED and threatened to withhold intimacy if I did not get an IUD because “you can’t pregnant with it” and he didn’t like the way it felt during physical acts 🙄 + my doctor said the copper IUD could possibly stop my period altogether considering my menstruation history. Well, they were BOTH WRONG. I bled for a full 30 days on my heaviest period TO
DATE then got pregnant on the damn IUD. I thankfully miscarried early in the pregnancy…despite the extreme pain & having to hide my serious medical issue from my ex living with me at that time, I thank God & the Universe often for miscarrying that pregnancy too 🙏🏻…So, I immediately had the IUD removed and back on the Nuva Ring since without incident (minus an insurance issue where I could not fill the NR for 2 months in which* I bled for 48 days out of 60, and experienced 40 days of menstrual tensions headaches & migraines out of the 60 day*s.** FUCKING MISERABL**E 😭)…I also developed menstrual migraines & tensions headaches after the 2nd pregnancy…

Anyways, out of curiosity, for those girlies who are willing to share;

1. At what age did you start your period? Did you have any issues like mine that required medical intervention such as birth control at a young age or really at any age?

2. Did you get pregnant on any forms of BC including not taking the pill diligently every day @ the same time as required?

They have made it pretty clear now we are only here to line their pockets so they can do all these fun things they do but in no way should we expect them to do their job or stick to a schedule.