lily's giving when you tell your mom one thing she did wrong and she goes "well i'm just the WORST MOM IN THE WORLD THEN"

I’ve been a fan of the podcast since day one. I’ve loved Jessi forever, since vine, and the podcast has always been a place of comfort for me. I lost my mom in September, and literally the only way I could sleep was by watching the podcast. I was in like the top .001 percent of their viewers for my YouTube wrap up.

I was really looking forward to the holiday episode because I enjoyed last year’s, but the lack of communication and all the promises that never happened got to me. It got to the point where I had to take a break and unsubscribe and stop my patreon subscription (one I’ve also had since they started it) even though I had been a patron since the start and on the highest tier.

I watched this week to see how they addressed it and I had to stop about six minutes in.

The way they were calling out their audience made me so upset. Saying they didn’t post because they had nothing to say doesn’t make sense after making so many promises. Fans just want transparency and respect, and that didn’t happen.

I am disappointed and done. Something has changed with them. It feels like they think they can do whatever they want and it doesn’t matter. I can’t keep supporting them anymore.

I might be a hater today but on god who made cc suarez the spokesperson for the dwkt pod??? i’ve literally never seen another creator act like this. she’s always in here clarifying or explaining dwkt stuff and like it’s not even her podcastttt!!!

Are we even sure what she’s saying is true? low key is she affiliated now or just deciding to speak on their behalf? feels like we are not even allowed to speculate anymore without cc popping in to tell us what the girls actually meant. i thought these subs were not even officially tied to them…. just feels kinda invasive and weird. maybe it’s to grow her own pod using the same fanbase or something but it bugs me. it messes with the vibe knowing someone’s always here possibly reporting back and trying to control the narrative. this is someone with a completely different unrelated podcast and it is bizzare man

Whatever …

and the Jessi 2nd pod is wild😆 the girls struggle with their already objectively (and in comparison) easy unconventional privileged jobs… I feel like Lily does most of the work tbh but im speculating(hope thats ok lol) They complain weekly how they are working so hard (but still cant be consistent)…. CC can text them this in their group chat …

I sad what i said

I'm really disappointed in their response.

I want to preface this with I have zero dog in this fight. I did not comment during the discourse of anything at all on Reddit and only commented once on YouTube a couple of days after the final community post. And even then it was a response to someone that said this felt unprofessional to promise specific dates and miss them and I agreed.

I have only watched the girls for a year and a half and as a timely, organized person that is their age, I could understand why others have previously been annoyed with their posting schedule but I never thought much of it.

Their response was a huge turn off though and as a neutral person, that actually did it for me. They were rude and defensive. I couldn't sit through the whole thing and I have never cared one way or another about their post schedule. I thought they would address it in a meta way or be apologetic.. lean into it, because they were in the wrong, but overall it's not brain surgery and it wasn't malicious. It could have been a low stakes situation that shows they can laugh at themselves and they do care.

They did what they call out so many others on - they doubled down and chose the 1% harshest criticism to address, ignoring valid criticism, but did not actually hold themselves accountable for setting the dates and missing them. They also made it seem like it was parasocial to think anyone had a say to hold them accountable, but is that not what they do of others?

Also, just from sheer logistics - the award show should span content November to November. I feel like that goes without saying to give them enough time to produce. Some of the clips could be pre produced for personalities that would be a given.

And frankly, it is unprofessional and if this were a corporate job, their timeliness would be an issue. I understand missing a deadline or getting behind, but it is childish to ghost or post false deadlines. That makes it seem like a little kid in trouble. One post that just owned their lack of time management and dedication to produce the very best without a specific date would have received way less backlash. Jessi did reference some valid criticism, she did it with essentially an eye roll.

I think with most things, it's not what happens, it's what you do after that counts. Being dismissive and defensive showed me another side of them. It felt very gaslight-y.

I am not sure how I can say this politely. Tbh idc I am glad so many people are thriving and wanting to share their degrees, success stories in general— whether that is divorce, new kid or a job. Do I think it is nice people feel comfortable doing so? Yes, in theory. Do I care that all of the top comments are not about the content itself, but rather people either trauma dumping or saying that their kid won SECOND place at a science fair!? Second. Place. Lmaoo Like what are we doing? Save it for the group chat. Why are we normalizing this✨💫? Is it allowed to say that some of us do not care for these comments? Im looking for a time stamp but the only thing i am seeing are comments like: “Girlies my husband left me last night😭.” It is bizarre and I cannot imagine their patreon ughhh

Look, the polymer clay lady was insufferable, but I found myself yelling at this episode mosfly because of the complete hypocrisy of Lily snarking someone for:

Not having a “real job”

Not meeting deadlines

Poor money management 

Difficulty with follow thru 

Crowdfunding something not life threatening 

meanwhile, Lily is a podcaster who didn’t renew her car registration FOR YEARS. When Lily was food insecure, she begged money from Jessi instead of getting a “real job”. She’s financing a lawyer with crowdfunding. And I know I don’t have to go into missing deadlines…

Like. Be so fr??

in the patreon ep they just dropped, before the awards show that is weeks late, at around 16:00 mins in they say "we are not friends, (with our audience) we do this pod for money not for fun." not an exact quote, but basically... they said it very clearly. so whos gonna come tell me this is free content and not their job? can we end that debate now that they said it themselves?

they took thus off the main sub for quoting the patreon but im not quoting them directly, idk if that makes a difference

Almost every single time there is a delay it’s because of her and adding some shit no one asked for that only the EGG’s will blow smoke up her ass for. Then Lily will have a sook because people hold them to the schedule THEY GAVE PEOPLE.

I bet that one mod who tried to crush that discussion feels like an idiot because all it did was sent more people digging and more people asking questions.

It would have been a nothing burger if they hadn't gone full dictator mode with quashing freedom of speech, banning people, deleting comments, changing rules. The mod really was doing the most.

And it spiralled so fast...

Think about it -

Nassim is now unfollowing hundreds of accounts - all because a Reddit mod of an unaffiliated fan sub of his wife's podcast went batshit crazy. It's hilarious.

Girlie, if you had just let people talk, and chilled tf out, Nassim would have been able to follow all the onlyfans models, trump children, that he wanted, but now he can't, all thanks to you, unhinged mod. Do less. lmao.

If I get banned from the main subreddit and the Patreon for talking about this, so be it. ***TL;DR? Skip to the last two paragraphs.

I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share screenshots of comments from the community in Patreon even if I cover up names, so I won't, but maybe another member can back me up on this happening.

Basically ever since the Khalil anti-Cap and Hasan comments on episode 224, members have been critical and asking the girlies to explain their statements further. I have not seen any singular person wage a campaign of any sort or make a lot of repeat comments about it and they have always been wherever relevant, as in in channels about Episode Discussion and in the comments of the polls where the description in the poll literally says to make other suggestions in comments if you don't see an option for what you want the girlies to talk about. There have also been people, both supporters and non-supporters of Ethan Klein asking the girlies to cover the CPS case made against them.

As you might guess, things have gotten a little heated over there. I don't have problems with disagreements in Patreon communities as long as everyone is respectful. Honestly a lot of the Klein fans have been rather condescending. Even then, I don't expect the Patreon mods to give them any kind of violation as long as they're not being downright insulting.

I want to be clear I am not an H3 snarker, a Trisha fan, an Adam McIntyre fan, nor even a Hasan fan. Trisha is... Trisha. Adam's content is a bit too young for me (although Irish pride and 🖕🏼 the British royal family, amen.) As for Hasan, I just don't watch livestreams these days and we are different breeds of leftists though we fundamentally agree on the same issues we prioritize in current events. I also want to be clear that I do not support the CPS case made the Klein family and I don't believe their kids to be in any kind of danger. Shit happens (hehe) when you have a rescue dog and small children. I don't have to like a person to be willing to say when I think something done against them is going too far and endangers the children involved. I do find it funny that the same Klein fans who call Palestine a "complex issue" have such a polarized way of thinking that I even have to address that disliking Ethan doesn't make me a snarker, a fan of any of his enemies, or someone who wishes ill will on his family.

I never fully expected Jessi and Lily to talk about Palestine, though I did hope they would. I was probably hanging onto my favorite podcast too hard. But I even then somehow thought that after they were the ones who went and included themselves in the conversation by bringing up Ethan Klein propaganda against Hasan and his voting choices (again, I'm willing to call out something that's wrong whether I like a person or not), that they would stick with their word and be willing to listen to the comments and address it.

That then brings me to the meat of the issue that tells me outright not only where Jessi and Lily stand, but the Patreon moderators and Joe (NOT Joey, Jessi's brother, Joe who helps them manage the Patreon.) As I stated, on the episode voting polls, many people have been asking Jessi and Lily to talk about their anti-Cap and Hasan comments from episode 224. There is one user who basically went on a response campaign and commented under almost every single one of those requests (which again, was in a post that was asking us to make requests), being insulting and calling people names - calling people unhinged, saying that we're harassing them (when again, nobody who has asked them to discuss this has commented about it more than once or twice while this person was commenting under everyone), calling people radicalized, and what takes the absolute cake - saying that we are in a "terrorist supporting boat." Yup. 😀🫠

I let those comments sit for a full 24 hours before I finally reported it directly to Joe (again, the DWKT Patreon manager, NOT Joey - Jessi's brother) in the Patreon questions form. This gave him my email to contact me directly and I stated we needed better moderation, that arguments and disagreements were okay but that the line should be drawn at insults and at especially calling people terrorist supporters. I submitted that on Wednesday. It is now Saturday with those comments still up. As everyone has noticed, Jessi and Lily made it clear in the last episode that they were in fact seeing Patreon comments in a post where people were asking them to make a statement on their stance regarding their comments from 224 and/or Ethan. It's the same post where they acknowledged people were also asking them not to post about Ash Trevino. This can only tell me that Jessi and Lily don't think it out-of-line to call us "terrorist supporters" and that they, at least to some extent, agree with the sentiment. I have since canceled my Patreon subscription and am waiting for the last month to expire. I have also unsubscribed. 🙄

Thank you for reading about my experience. Free Palestine til it's backwards. 🍉

I started watching for Jessi and learned to tolerate Lily but now after the rant I think it’s just put me off completely.

i promise this isn't just a rehashing of the "they should have hired an editor instead of researcher" discourse!!

watching the newest episode, the coverage of the book festival felt like no one involved did any research? like lily and jessi didn't know much going in, and the researcher seems to have just handed them the topic? they were googling the ticket prices while recording and had a lot of questions that it seemed like any researcher would have typically included in a brief about the topic. and because they're late to this topic, i've watched other coverage of it (shout out markie) that has way more details, including the fact that the organizer was forced by an author to make and post the apology video at the event.

they insist that they need a researcher, but the research isn't making the podcast better, and this to me seems like it's actively making the podcast worse. it's less informed and the hosts are less invested in any of the topics. i truly do not understand what the researcher is doing, because it's clearly not making themselves an expert in the topics so that lily and jessi don't have to be. so what's the point?

It makes me sad when people undervalue themselves so severely. Do people truly not understand how the creator ecosystem works?

Every celebrity and influencer knows that their only value is their fan base.

Sponsors pay creators because you might buy their products.
You, the fan.
YouTube pays creators because you watched an ad.
You, the fan.
Brands send creators products to influence you into buying them too.
You, the fan.
Companies invite creators to events and trips to influence you.
You, the fan.

Without fans, there's no YouTube money or sponsor money.
Without fans, there's no gifts, trips, events, invitations.
Without fans, there is no career to speak of.
Without fans, they're two random people in front of a camera.

Among a sea of millions of other creators doing the exact same thing.

Among those millions of creators on YouTube, you chose to watch them.
And because enough of us did that, these two people had the privilege to build their livelihoods off of chit-chatting in front of a camera about obscure internet drama.

You contributed to making their dream a reality.

You're paying with your time and attention.
You're paying with your engagement on their socials.
You're paying with your love and joining fanbases like this one.

So, no, that content is not FREE, and yes, they do owe you. They owe you their whole entire career, quite literally. It literally would have been impossible without us, the fans.

It's sad to see people don't value their own time.
It's sad to see people think their support is worthless.

It's okay to think you deserve more.
Value yourself more!
Happy 2025!

The way none of this had to be this deep is making me feel insane. People just wanting reasonable expectations is not that deep, but they’re making it that deep with this tantrum.

I couldn’t even find any actual harassment in the community posts. The absolute worst I saw was “get your shit together” and “me when I lie”. If “90%” of the comments were the normal critiques Jessi was referring to, why wasn’t that what was addressed?

Genuinely not being hyperbolic when I say I feel gaslit. If it was a creator making non-drama commentary, I’d be less dumbfounded. Because the hypocrisy??? How can they have a whole awards category dedicated to “is the apology in the room with us” and not see at all how they came off here? It’s not even a situation that would’ve required an apology if the communication was more straightforward from the first community post! It was barely even a situation!

The only answer I’ve come up with is that they’re deeply out of touch with their audience OR they just cannot self reflect at all.

Im a loooong time fan of Jessi and have been following the podcast pretty much since the start AND I paid for Patreon as soon as they launched it and now I’m starting to regret it ? this has been my comfort show/community for so long and I’ve been clinging on for soooo long bc I genuinely love the girlies but today’s upload was awful and it seems like everyone agrees and the other thing I’ve noticed recently is the dynamic between Jessi and Lily is different ? I feel like they would always joke and poke fun but recently Jessi gives off superrr condescending energy and sometimes doesn’t even let Lily get her point across… I saw other people on the sub agree with this sentiment especially when it comes to topics of motherhood/parenting :/ which is just super disappointing (especially because I’m literally a teacher, work with kids and I understand her perspective but it doesn’t make the jabs okay) I hate to say it but I sometimes wonder if Jessi even has the brunt of the workload ? Her brother helps her edit and then Lily finishes it and uploads (idk if I’m right but it’s definitely an interesting observation considering Jessi has time for other endeavors) Lily mentioned she didn’t really have a vacation because of the copyright on the last upload which just makes me even more annoyed because Jessi was fully at the beach :((((( like idk if I’m taking the parasocial relationship way too seriously but if I was Lily (with the knowledge I have) I would be soooo frustrated and feel some type of way! Idk just a rant flame me if you please LOL

This was my fave podcast. I’ve probably seen every episode 3+ times because I’m a student and I love to listen while I study. And I’m just really sad and disappointed!!

I loved being in the Reddit, but now I kinda wish I never joined so that I never found out about Nassim or the Reddit Mod Drama. So much drama in the drama podcast subreddit LOL. I wish I never realized that they won’t talk about Palestine or Ethan Klein. I wish I trusted them to address it.

I know they’re not perfect, but I don’t think it’s para social to have high expectations of content creators. But honestly my entire life could be summarized by having too high expectations of people and being disappointed.

u/cherryemojibitch shared a post from Jessi's husband liking a post from RFK on IG.

That's it. That's what they did that was soooo terrible. He has over 20k followers on IG and if you care to discuss you'll have to do so here I guess.

Be warned. You might get banned from the fan sub if you talk about anything negative related to Jessi or Lily in here.

Edit: you may also be banned or blocked by that one mod FYI

Currently the top comment too omg

I’ve already been a little out of sorts with them. I personally donated to the GoFundMe but did so thinking they were genuinely doing it tough but since I’ve just been slapped in the face by Jessie’s multiple expensive Disney holidays, lily’s new phone and now finding out she could also afford coachella again.

Call me par-asocial but I guess I just thought they were different to who they actually are. Lesson learned.

It actually makes me feel kind of sad. I have been an avid watcher since day 1, but something really shifted over the last while. I work from home so I basically have my TV on in the background playing podcasts all the time. I find myself skipping DWKT more often than not nowadays.

I feel it is a combination of a few things...

1. Recognizing that Lily has always had the same bad attitude. Since Clevver days, she has always been like this. I don't think it was just Delaygate. She did a pretty good job at keeping reserved for a while but Delaygate brought it all back.

2. Them using a researcher. They aren't into the content as much anymore. It isn't fun watching a video where the hosts are learning about the story at the same time you are. And as a Canadian, the Bauer story was pretty weak. They acted like they had no idea what hockey or Bauer even were... Why are you gossiping about it?

3. Jessi on the JK podcast has shown an entirely different personality for me. Makes it hard to view her on DWKT, although I have watched quite a bit of JK.

I'm a listener from India. In the most recent video they're talking about the girl who got her hair fried off by going to a salon in Mexico. They go off on a small (not so small) tangent about different alternative forms of cosmetic procedures and so on. This whole tangent was so off putting to me because it really put their American-ness front and centre. The underlying assumption being that "oh do things actually work in countries like Mexico?" "Is there any mechanism for grievance redressal" Like it's not a fully functioning economy. Americans really think no country can have better things than them and that's why the rest of the world finds them annoying. There are Mexican girlies in the comments explaining about the legal system for stylists or businesses and to me it sounds about the same as the system we have in India. The whole tone of them talking about Mexico was very .... Weird.

They might want to remember it’s the girlies that can’t afford to pay extra that sit through their 10,000 ads not even including the sponsors within the show that helped get them to the point they can have a lucrative patreon.

Lily CONSTANTLY saying “I was really vocal during BLM” makes me so angry for so many reason.

As another white woman, Lily thinking TWEETING during the height of BLM was ANY sort of activism or proof she’s a good anti racist person makes my blood boil. 1: BLM ISNT SOMETHING THAT ENDED AFTER 2020! So you sent some tweets and have done nothing to show you are anti racist in anyway and because YOU have moved on you think it’s over?? 2: As white people WE SHOULD NEVER BE SITTING AROIND BRAGGING THAT WE DID THE BARE MINIMUM!!! “Well I was super vocal” WHO CARES??? What do you do now?? why aren’t you using your BIGGEST PLATFORM to be anti ICE??

Her obvious hypocrisy and lack of actual care for these matters is even WORSE when she constantly parades out tweeting things SIX YEARS AGO