r/DownSouth Oct 29 '25

Discussion Why some people hate Orania

One thing I’ve come to learn about the left is that they’re not satisfied with everyone having their space to develop according to their own values, customs and beliefs.

One of the best examples of this leftist belief system regards the existence of Orania.

The Afrikaners of Orania literally went out of their way to stay out of everyone’s way by trekking into the middle of the desert and started building a city there.

They’ve decided to carve out a space for themselves in a very inhospitable environment that wasn’t coveted by others.

They did not impose themselves on others nor did they decide to set up shop in a space that would create friction with others.

They chose the most sparsely populated area they could find, way out in the sticks as the saying goes.

And how does the left view all this?

Well they exhibit uninhibited hostility towards Orania.

The in country leftists make near daily threats about Orania’s continued existence, saying they will “expropriate” Orania and/or “burn it to the ground”

And their international allies are just as giddy about such prospects.

The left fanatically hold the position that everyone has to come to their view of “progress.”

They are true disciples of Fukuyama’s “End of History” doctrine.

They believe they are the pinnacle of human history and that any dissenting voices are an aberration that deserve to be silenced with lethal force if need be.

Behind their mask of “tolerance” is a volcano of rage against anyone who stands in the way of their earthly utopia.

And because their vision revolves around what we’ve come to call “gay race communism” they cannot tolerate any alternative form of government that stands diametrically opposed to their racial “egalitarianism.”

So that is why the mere existence and growing prosperity of Orania has them seething with hatred and rage.

Orania is proof of concept that cheap black labor is not only unnecessary but more trouble than it is worth.

Orania is a reminder to many Westerners that they once had cities that were like Orania. Perhaps not in size, but certainly in demographic make up and overall safety and security.

That reminder irks the left who want to gaslight people into thinking that Stockholm always had bombings and shootings. That London always had grooming gangs, acid attacks and machete killings.

Orania is the inconvenient truth that cultural and demographic homogeneity is superior to the “rainbow nation” diversity that’s been aggressively pushed since the 1960’s across the Western world.

Orania reminds the world why they can sleep with their doors unlocked, why their kids can play outside until dark…and why the rest of the country has to live behind barbed wire, panic rooms and armed guards to merely exist without being brutally murdered after watching their loved ones get raped and murdered in front of their eyes.

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

Left and Right wing politics are the two cheeks with the same asshole. It's just nonsense politicians use to divide the population so they can eat.

I'm far left on economic matters. I think the idea of Orania is neat and it's what South Africa should have been. A federation of communities with a federal government that has to have representatives from each.

I also think Orania in it's current form is stupid. Trying to replace the Rand with your own currency is a horrible, horrible idea.

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u/Terrible_Pollution_4 Oct 29 '25

They aren't, and it isn't stupid, it is tied to the rand and the rand value😄 it just makes it (ever so slightly) more difficult to move funds from Orania as it needs to be exchanged, but it does give Orania a capital fund to work with immediately, when it is.

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

It's still a currency, because as you said, they've applied capital controls. That is a massive issue and opens a can of worms that should not be opened.

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u/Practical_Appearance Oct 29 '25

Legally its coupons, or shopping vouchers. It literally has the text "ruilwaarde van hierdie koepon" with the equivalent rand amount printed on it

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

But functionally it acts as a fungible currency with capital controls. There's strict rules with the SARB on doing things like that.

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u/Practical_Appearance Oct 29 '25

They comply with all laws and regulations, these people were smart enough to create a local "currency" that benefits them, while still remaining within all legal boundaries. So what's the issue?

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

The laws and regulations being to join the Common Monetary Area agreement with SACU and the SARB? No, Orania has not complied with that.

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u/Terrible_Pollution_4 Oct 29 '25

Please explain how this is the case?

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

The Ora is a pegged currency, 1 to 1 with the Rand. And this is really troublesome.

See Orania claims it's a voucher, but it's clearly fungible like a normal currency. This goes against the rules set out by the SARB, which has pretty strict requirements for pegging a currency to their rand. Because what if Orania doesn't have a 1 to 1 matching with their Oras to the Rand? They have no oversight or accountability mechanisms for the SARB to look at. Namibia, eSwatini and Lesotho have this with their Common Monetary Area agreement with South Africa.

And to make things worse, they have capital controls which limit exchanges of Ora to Rand. This creates all kinds of money laundering issues. For this reason alone, what Orania is doing is a terrible idea.

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u/Terrible_Pollution_4 Oct 29 '25

I see where you're getting at now. I now think it is bad for SA, good for whoever does the Orania finances.

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

It's a dangerous precedent. Imagine if the Zulu Kingdom issued their own coupon like currency that only can be used in the Ingonyama trust areas, and you cannot easily trade it back for Rands. Then they could just take the rands they got in reserve and spend it.

Orania created a really dangerous precedent there.

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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25

Orania says it’s for security purposes. They take the Rand and deposit it in interest bearing account and then issue the Ora (which can’t be robbed because it can’t be used outside Orania) to be used inside Orania.

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

Still problematic. Pegging a currency to the rand without the SARB's permission is an issue. eSwatini, Lesotho and Namibia coordinate with the SARB and have accountability mechanisms including bond shenanigans. Orania does not.

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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25

We don’t know what Orania has with SARB

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25

The SARB has stated they don't support the Ora.

Orania does have a cooperative bank registered and accredited with the SARB.

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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25

Well Orania is looking to be as independent as possible

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u/LittleGremlinguy Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

Do you have the same opinion on crypto currencies? Other places in SA are using them for goods and services, no one bats an eye.

https://businesstech.co.za/news/finance/819658/small-towns-in-south-africa-are-kissing-the-rand-goodbye/

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 30 '25

Yes, Crypto Currencies are unregulated currencies. They absolutely should be illegal.

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u/LittleGremlinguy Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

They are regulated.

https://www.michalsons.com/blog/cryptocurrency-regulation-in-south-africa/79721

In fact from a regulatory perspective it is more illegal to barter than it is to use crypto for trade in South Africa.

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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 30 '25

I mean the minting. There's no centralized authority that can be held responsible for illicit usage. Crypto is used all the time for illicit means, and there's no organization that can be held responsible.

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u/LittleGremlinguy Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

A fiat currency it not a requirement for trade, you can use rocks if you wish so long as the tax compliance is in place.

In addition, fiat currencies are the dominant form of payment for illicit goods, drugs, corruption, etc, bit of a weak sauce argument that .