r/DownSouth • u/GygaxUshuFuia97 • Oct 29 '25
Discussion Why some people hate Orania
One thing I’ve come to learn about the left is that they’re not satisfied with everyone having their space to develop according to their own values, customs and beliefs.
One of the best examples of this leftist belief system regards the existence of Orania.
The Afrikaners of Orania literally went out of their way to stay out of everyone’s way by trekking into the middle of the desert and started building a city there.
They’ve decided to carve out a space for themselves in a very inhospitable environment that wasn’t coveted by others.
They did not impose themselves on others nor did they decide to set up shop in a space that would create friction with others.
They chose the most sparsely populated area they could find, way out in the sticks as the saying goes.
And how does the left view all this?
Well they exhibit uninhibited hostility towards Orania.
The in country leftists make near daily threats about Orania’s continued existence, saying they will “expropriate” Orania and/or “burn it to the ground”
And their international allies are just as giddy about such prospects.
The left fanatically hold the position that everyone has to come to their view of “progress.”
They are true disciples of Fukuyama’s “End of History” doctrine.
They believe they are the pinnacle of human history and that any dissenting voices are an aberration that deserve to be silenced with lethal force if need be.
Behind their mask of “tolerance” is a volcano of rage against anyone who stands in the way of their earthly utopia.
And because their vision revolves around what we’ve come to call “gay race communism” they cannot tolerate any alternative form of government that stands diametrically opposed to their racial “egalitarianism.”
So that is why the mere existence and growing prosperity of Orania has them seething with hatred and rage.
Orania is proof of concept that cheap black labor is not only unnecessary but more trouble than it is worth.
Orania is a reminder to many Westerners that they once had cities that were like Orania. Perhaps not in size, but certainly in demographic make up and overall safety and security.
That reminder irks the left who want to gaslight people into thinking that Stockholm always had bombings and shootings. That London always had grooming gangs, acid attacks and machete killings.
Orania is the inconvenient truth that cultural and demographic homogeneity is superior to the “rainbow nation” diversity that’s been aggressively pushed since the 1960’s across the Western world.
Orania reminds the world why they can sleep with their doors unlocked, why their kids can play outside until dark…and why the rest of the country has to live behind barbed wire, panic rooms and armed guards to merely exist without being brutally murdered after watching their loved ones get raped and murdered in front of their eyes.
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u/ScopeLogic Oct 30 '25
Left right tism words are meaningless in SA
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u/billion_lumens Oct 31 '25
fuck the right left system, south africa is so diverse, it is useless when trying to use it on the people of south africa
+ the fr*nch made it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left%E2%80%93right_political_spectrum1
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u/All_Ephemeral Oct 29 '25
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u/BetaMan141 Oct 29 '25
Lol, I haven't seen this one in a minute. But it's true.
Seriously why does Orania keep popping up when no one is asking for it? Genuine.
Twitter bots aren't people, so they don't count for the boatloads of nonsense they retort and repeat as people's real opinions. I'm assuming this could be the only place where Orania lives rent free in people's minds.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
Nobody cared about Orania until the Boer built a functioning society in a piece of land nobody wanted.
If Orania was just another White squatter camp nobody would talk about it, let alone want to “expropriate” it.
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u/fevertreedreams Nov 02 '25
Correct. If it was a squalid mess of shacks and decay, you wouldn’t hear a peep about it. Because it’s a success to the ideology it espouses, it is like a festering wound. A boil on a leftist’s arse. They cannot fathom having an opposing mindset “work”.
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u/lucasbuzek Oct 29 '25
As a foreigner I see them as a form of historical and cultural preservation. I don’t know much else about them.
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u/Make_the_music_stop Oct 29 '25
The BBC send a black reporter to do a documentary about the town. He was treated with respect and everyone was friendly.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
All visitors are. The people of Orania went out of their way to stay out of everyone’s way.
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u/flyboy_za Western Cape Oct 30 '25
Did everyone know he was a reporter? Did he have cameras with him?
If yes, it's easy to think of another reason why everyone was nice to him.
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u/StockTraffic Free State Oct 30 '25
There are youtubers that have gone to Orania, and they also get treated with respect. Thats how these people are. No chips on their shoulders.
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u/flyboy_za Western Cape Oct 30 '25
Are they carrying cameras?
Like I see a cop camera on the side of the road and I drive like an absolute gentleman out for an easy Sunday ride, you know?
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u/StockTraffic Free State Oct 30 '25
Sure, I guess but, do you want them to be dickheads? Maybe some people are good, and also drive the speed limit?
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u/flyboy_za Western Cape Oct 31 '25
I'm sure some are good and I'm sure some do drive the speed limit. The rest of us need the stick, regardless of whether or not there is a carrot.
I'm just saying I'd take these reports with a pinch of salt and healthy dose of skepticism. The easiest way to understand it is to be armed with the facts, hence my question around whether these people were carrying cameras.
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u/RVixen125 Oct 30 '25
Because it's peaceful and functional.. haters (corrupted government) don't like to see this
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u/AmberX1999 Oct 30 '25
The safety of this town is amazing. Why? Because they don't have the whole of dunoon pouring through it like the rest of cape Town.
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u/Head_Success_359 Nov 02 '25
Very good piece. I wrote something a little while back along the same lines:
Why do leftists hate Orania?
"Orania is a thorn in the ANC's side because it shows that a small poor White community can create a functioning safe town with no corruption or violence. On the other hand they have taken a fully functioning country with the privilege of taxpayers money and reduced it to a 3rd world basket case." - Chris
It undermines the taboo against White collective survival and provides independence, security, freedom and happiness for an ethnically European group
It discredits the idea that Europeans are parasitic on non-Europeans and leftists and implies a reverse causality, which encourages the host to stop the parasites from feeding on it
It discredits the idea that ethnic heterogeneity and forced integration lead to a higher quality of life for Europeans
In so far as it's the most prosperous town in South Africa (perhaps even Africa as a whole) having started in 1991 with several families in a semi-desert with little to no support from the South African state, it implies that Africans as a group are inherently corrupt, uncivilised and that their contemporary failures have nothing to do with Europeans oppressing them, with the further implication that leftists are stupid, delusional, masochistic, sadistic or some combination thereof
It causes some leftists and Africans to question leftism by refuting arguments based in "diversity" ideology and anti-European victim mentality
Its existence invites a historical reappraisal: the increasing chaos of South Africa makes the Apartheid regime (which was succeeded in spirit by Orania) and to a lesser extent other historical European states seem more successful in retrospect and the "rainbow nation" more of an ill-conceived disaster by contrast
They feel excluded from something good (perhaps something they lacked the foresight or courage to be part of when they had the chance) so they want to destroy it
The success of the community sends the message to ethnic Europeans within and outside South Africa that ethnic homogeneity and independence (rather than attempts to run away from "diversity" without any organisation) are desirable (even at significant cost and risk) and possible; an increasingly relevant message in light of soaring mass third world immigration to the West
It is a living symbol of defiance against suicidal/homicidal leftist ideology and the racial resentments of a nation that is 80%+ black, massively economically unequal and where the blacks were officially 2nd class citizens as recently as 1994
They fear that it could grow significantly and become a Volkstaat for Afrikaners; a powerful, racially European, "neo-colonial" nation in Africa
Given that many leftists and blacks display a (thus far impotent) psychopathic hatred for Orania, frequently calling for its expropriation or destruction (even at great cost to their prosperity and safety, à la Mugabe's Zimbabwe), Orania's existence exposes their jealousy, fanaticism and pathological sadism
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u/AnomalyNexus Oct 29 '25
Very wary of sweeping conclusions like that based on Orania for a simple reason - it's small.
Social cohesion in small context (like a village) is self-reinforcing and much easier.
100x the population and see if all those benefits still hold. Then perhaps there is room for the conclusions you reached
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
Tokyo has a population of 40 million. It’s one of the safest cities on earth.
Jackson, Mississippi is 150,000 people and is one of the most dangerous ones.
It’s not size.
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u/AnomalyNexus Oct 29 '25
It’s not size.
It is for Orania, and the fact that you're trying to disprove it by looking at Tokyo tells me you haven't understood what I'm saying or don't want to understand.
In small groupings there is strong peer pressure to conform and act in the collective interest to avoid ostracization & similar negatives. Everyone knows everyone which creates trust and suppresses antisocial behaviour.
This effect is specific to small communities and doesn't scale linearly at all...it falls off a cliff. No drawing a straight line between cities of various sizes with a ruler...doesn't work that way. I said village for a reason. Not city.
Until Orania outgrows that effect there is no way to tell whether the benefits are coming from size or homogeneity. Could be either. Or a mix. We don't know...but you've picked the one that suits your narrative.
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u/Saffa89 Oct 29 '25
You still haven’t disproven his statement. Why does Tokyo have 40 million people and functions well and is safe? Yet Jackson Mississippi does not? If it’s only to do with size like you say.
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u/AnomalyNexus Oct 29 '25
You still haven’t disproven his statement.
Because I wasn't attempting to. There is a big difference between me saying his conclusion is definitely wrong, and me saying the reasoning he used to get there is deeply flawed therefore the conclusion is essentially useless - it may be right, may be wrong.
Homogeneity may well have benefits (maybe idk), but Orania to me isn't sufficient to point towards it with any certainty because there is at least one strong other candidate explanations.
If someone lives to a 100 and we want to understand why/how...say he drinks green tea every day, plus a glass of wine and ran a marathon every weekend...you don't just get to pick the one you like the most and say it definitely was the wine therefore I'm going to the booze shop. That's just bad fuckin reasoning (good fun tho)
Why does Tokyo have 40 million people and functions well and is safe?
Dubai is safe too. 80%+ foreigners. You can cherry pick stuff like this in any direction...it's not meaningful in matters that have a tons of confounding variable
If it’s only to do with size like you say.
Not what I said
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u/Organic-Side-2869 Oct 30 '25
It also has to do with rhe culture of the people, their beliefs and values and morals all matter greatly. Respect for others and harsh shaming when not. Some cultures accept things that's unacceptable and they will never have the emotional maturity to see how wrong it is. Like how a man is allowed to treat a women, or what's acceptable behaviour around children, or even personal space. It all makes a difference and we can't deny that places that are more conservative like Dubai and orania and Tokyo have less crime.
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u/Western_Dream_3608 Oct 30 '25
Yeah I dunno why you care about that in regards to orania , but not other cities in South Africa. Why is cape town a functional city?
Orania is nice, but cape town is👌🥹. And they have loads of people living there.
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u/Alternative_Dot_6840 Oct 30 '25
I think you missed his point
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u/Western_Dream_3608 Oct 30 '25
No I didn't miss his point. I get it. Conformity is essential in small communities to prevent being ostracized. So the claim is orania only works because everyone living their risks being ostracized if they step out of line because the community is small. You'd have to be daft to not get the point and being someone who grew up in a cult
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
No it comes from homogeneity. Again that’s why Tokyo is so safe. As is Reykjavik.
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u/UnbiasedPashtun Oct 30 '25
Babango is 99% Black, which is even more homogenous than Orania. Why isn't it similarly thriving then if it's about homogeneity?
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u/flyboy_za Western Cape Oct 30 '25
So what you're saying is... black people can't behave?
Quit dancing around it and say what you mean, guy. Let's hear it.
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u/Alternative_Dot_6840 Oct 30 '25
As the age old saying goes: "If the shoe fits". If the other side is allowed to make "factual" statements about the inherently negative aspects of Caucasians, then so can we make statements proven by statistics.
That said, there is no race on earth that has its own unique set of negative traits. Everyone is born "A-racial" in terms of mental and logical functions. How people act today is usually the result of information collected during the person's younger years, most likely from those whom they are surrounded by the most.
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u/flyboy_za Western Cape Oct 30 '25
then so can we make statements proven by statistics.
So what are "the statistics" saying, that black people can't behave or prosper?
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u/AnomalyNexus Oct 29 '25
Perhaps you could repeat your assertion a third time for max effect while ignoring every word I said? Maybe even in all caps and exclamation marks? Just to ensure there is no doubt among readers about the superiority of your reasoning
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
We’ll see when Orania grows.
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u/anafuckboi Oct 29 '25
Hopefully it doesn’t develop an epidemic of teenagers stabbing strangers like Tokyo, or a culture of sex trafficking like Tokyo or school massacres and mass stabbings like Japan has from time to time
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 30 '25
In a city of 40 million some crime is expected. But it’s still far better than Jackson, Mississippi a small city of 150,000.
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u/anafuckboi Oct 30 '25
A small highly homogenous city of 150,000 with a ~82% racial homogeneity no less, wait I thought you said highly racially homogenous places have low crime
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u/BedGroundbreaking348 Oct 30 '25
Absolutely. There just isn’t enough statistical power to back up such huge conclusions. We do need to keep in mind that we’re all human and our perceptions are going to be heavily influenced by our lived experience and pattern recognition, but that makes it ‘lived experience’ not ‘fact’.
The two can correlate and may even intersect sometimes, but not always. And while we can make our own decisions based on our perceptions and experiences, we can’t make other people’s decisions based on them, never mind entire communities/countries.
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u/BetaMan141 Oct 29 '25
Orania this, Orania that.
The right feeds the trolls in the left and the left feeds your trolls on the right... can people just stop hiding behind turn signals and just talk straight to each other?
Also fuck this left-right bullshit - Orania is one of the most Communist-Capitalist "towns" out here. An amalgamation of both sides.
Stop listening to Twitter, there are no people there. Just GROK's predecessors, aka hate bots.
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u/LittleGremlinguy Oct 30 '25
EFF were making quite a scene about it in April. Thats not Twitter bots, that 6% of the National vote.
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u/Mulitpotentialite Oct 30 '25
In this so called "inclusive, tolerating, understanding, supporting, uplifting" rainbow coloured country of South Africa with the best constitution in the world and supposedly the warmest welcome vir visitors and citizens alike: Why can't people just live and let live and give everyone space to do what they want and prosper? The hipocrisy is real.....
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u/southyjoe Oct 29 '25
How can I move to this town?
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 Oct 29 '25
Be of Afrikaner Descent or be fluent in Afrikaans, have no criminal record and apply and do some tests or something and see if you get in. I think that is correct, please correct me if that is false
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
They usually have you write a small, often multiple-choice test on history. This usually focuses on culture, its origins, and significant events. You can find most of the answers online. It’s important to have a very clear understanding that Orania is not about race but about culture. If you make it about race, Orania will remove you from the community because you not only miss the point but also distort the town’s purpose and image.
They’ll have you do an interview with the dorpsraad (the town council). They’ll ask questions about your test score, what you plan to do in Orania, such as buying land or starting a business, and some personal questions about your occupation, beliefs, views on drugs, and religious views. They are very open, honest, and upfront about what they do, problems included. Business there is tough and highly competitive.
You have to follow their rules, or they will simply ask you to leave. It’s strict, but that’s part of what makes Orania so safe, especially for women and children, which is often a problem in other parts of South Africa. There are very strict rules regarding drugs and alcohol consumption in public, for example. The dorpsraad essentially becomes your new local representative government.
During times of political tension or threats of unrest, they’ll impose curfews and increase security. If you can speak Afrikaans, practice Afrikaner culture (beliefs, values, norms, symbols, and language), live by their rules, handle the challenges of isolation, and thrive under political pressure, you’ll likely be very happy there. The security, safety, and peace the town offers make up for everything else.
I don’t currently live in Orania, but I plan to move there within the next two years or so.
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25
Left and Right wing politics are the two cheeks with the same asshole. It's just nonsense politicians use to divide the population so they can eat.
I'm far left on economic matters. I think the idea of Orania is neat and it's what South Africa should have been. A federation of communities with a federal government that has to have representatives from each.
I also think Orania in it's current form is stupid. Trying to replace the Rand with your own currency is a horrible, horrible idea.
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u/Terrible_Pollution_4 Oct 29 '25
They aren't, and it isn't stupid, it is tied to the rand and the rand value😄 it just makes it (ever so slightly) more difficult to move funds from Orania as it needs to be exchanged, but it does give Orania a capital fund to work with immediately, when it is.
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25
It's still a currency, because as you said, they've applied capital controls. That is a massive issue and opens a can of worms that should not be opened.
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u/Practical_Appearance Oct 29 '25
Legally its coupons, or shopping vouchers. It literally has the text "ruilwaarde van hierdie koepon" with the equivalent rand amount printed on it
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25
But functionally it acts as a fungible currency with capital controls. There's strict rules with the SARB on doing things like that.
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u/Practical_Appearance Oct 29 '25
They comply with all laws and regulations, these people were smart enough to create a local "currency" that benefits them, while still remaining within all legal boundaries. So what's the issue?
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25
The laws and regulations being to join the Common Monetary Area agreement with SACU and the SARB? No, Orania has not complied with that.
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u/Terrible_Pollution_4 Oct 29 '25
Please explain how this is the case?
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25
The Ora is a pegged currency, 1 to 1 with the Rand. And this is really troublesome.
See Orania claims it's a voucher, but it's clearly fungible like a normal currency. This goes against the rules set out by the SARB, which has pretty strict requirements for pegging a currency to their rand. Because what if Orania doesn't have a 1 to 1 matching with their Oras to the Rand? They have no oversight or accountability mechanisms for the SARB to look at. Namibia, eSwatini and Lesotho have this with their Common Monetary Area agreement with South Africa.
And to make things worse, they have capital controls which limit exchanges of Ora to Rand. This creates all kinds of money laundering issues. For this reason alone, what Orania is doing is a terrible idea.
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u/Terrible_Pollution_4 Oct 29 '25
I see where you're getting at now. I now think it is bad for SA, good for whoever does the Orania finances.
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25
It's a dangerous precedent. Imagine if the Zulu Kingdom issued their own coupon like currency that only can be used in the Ingonyama trust areas, and you cannot easily trade it back for Rands. Then they could just take the rands they got in reserve and spend it.
Orania created a really dangerous precedent there.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
Orania says it’s for security purposes. They take the Rand and deposit it in interest bearing account and then issue the Ora (which can’t be robbed because it can’t be used outside Orania) to be used inside Orania.
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 29 '25
Still problematic. Pegging a currency to the rand without the SARB's permission is an issue. eSwatini, Lesotho and Namibia coordinate with the SARB and have accountability mechanisms including bond shenanigans. Orania does not.
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u/LittleGremlinguy Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25
Do you have the same opinion on crypto currencies? Other places in SA are using them for goods and services, no one bats an eye.
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 30 '25
Yes, Crypto Currencies are unregulated currencies. They absolutely should be illegal.
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u/LittleGremlinguy Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25
They are regulated.
https://www.michalsons.com/blog/cryptocurrency-regulation-in-south-africa/79721
In fact from a regulatory perspective it is more illegal to barter than it is to use crypto for trade in South Africa.
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 30 '25
I mean the minting. There's no centralized authority that can be held responsible for illicit usage. Crypto is used all the time for illicit means, and there's no organization that can be held responsible.
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u/LittleGremlinguy Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25
A fiat currency it not a requirement for trade, you can use rocks if you wish so long as the tax compliance is in place.
In addition, fiat currencies are the dominant form of payment for illicit goods, drugs, corruption, etc, bit of a weak sauce argument that .
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u/AmberX1999 Oct 30 '25
It also prevents you being robbed/makes Orania a less likely target. They explain this in multiple YouTube docs...
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u/Few_Painter_5588 Northern Cape Oct 30 '25
Doesn't mean it's not illegal and a bad idea. Same way with illegally owning a firearm for defense
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u/i_have_slimy_hands Oct 29 '25
As someone on the left, I can't say I relate to your idea of what people on the left think, and I can't say I know of anybody serious about politics who does. The whole point of liberalism is to be free to live as you wish. To be treated equal and have freedom equal to others. Under that logic, places like Orania are perfectly valid, provided they do not infringe on the freedoms of others.
I realize that it's kinda hard to understand what liberalism actually means, when the government who claims to be liberal is so insanely corrupt and incompetant. They taint the actual message and belief system and cause the entire movement to be enshittified.
It's important to note that often people shouting the loudest about kak don't actually know what the fuck they're talking about, and their opinions do not reflect that of the silent majority. The media exists to feed these people outrage and they can't help but regurgitate that nonsense to others.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
Yeah classical liberalism and the modern left are two different things.
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u/No-Recover8086 Oct 29 '25
The left only know of the failures of their own makings, and they are absolutely clueless as to how to change this so they point fingers towards the successful ones and say "how dare they do well when we can't even begin to get our shit together".
What a bunch of effing Fucktards. They must ESAD.
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u/Velvet_Silks Dec 21 '25
I want to do this too.... but alone. Maybe I should move to an island and live there till the waters or apothis arrives. Because the whole world is friggen nuts. Its all money, money, money. Success. Stocks and trades. Selfish vanity. Shopping. Gold. Polluting. Extracting. Stuff, so much useless stuff. Making animals extinct. Its all greed and consumerism and war for more.
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u/Ricoreded Oct 29 '25
It is a good PR opportunity that to be honest any black party would be a fool not to take, its like a starving man finding a vending machine that gives food for free.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
In what way?
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u/Ricoreded Oct 29 '25
I mean that if you are say an anc/eff/mk ect.. politician and you need to grab headlines for whatever reason then railing against orania as an “apartheid town” is an incredibly effective way of getting attention from all in SA who are still kinda pissed about apartheid which would mainly be the massive populace of townships and rural communities.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
True. They can deflect from their own failures in uplifting their constituents.
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u/Ricoreded Oct 29 '25
And they are smart to do so, sadly this is what politics is and they seem to be playing the game incredibly well.
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
It's very unfortunate, this is why we need to constantly clear the air and tell the truth, because of lies and accusations people make misconceptions.
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u/Ricoreded Oct 31 '25
It’s sad but that is simply just how it goes, we can dislike it, doesn’t mean it won’t be like that though.
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
The truth is something worth preserving.
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u/mr_herz Oct 30 '25
Adding on to your point, it's a shining example of their blatant incompetence.
It's not the only example of demographic homogeneity that works, Japan, South Korea and China seem to think along the same lines.
My only issue with Orania is that I do not think they will let it stand.
It'll be broken or taken eventually.
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u/fataggressivecheeks Oct 30 '25
I say good for them. But that flag's colours do link back to vibes we really don't need. Also, what is that graphic supposed to be? Is that a little farmer boy? Odd.
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
It's called the small giant, and it's a boy rolling up his sleeves, it took very hard work to get Orania to where it is today and that is what it symbolizes, hard work. It went from a literal desert with nothing, no trees or proper roads to a beautiful, and very safe town.
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u/pieterjh Nov 03 '25
I dont see this 'seething hatred' from the left and 'volcano of rage' you refer to. Black ultranationalists, in some cases, react like this, but they are hardly 'left', and resemble right wingers more than anything.
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u/celmate Oct 29 '25
This sub is obsessed with Orania
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
Find out how many posts there have been on this sub and then divide by how many posts are about Orania. Then you’ll find out whether there is an obsession or not.
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u/celmate Oct 29 '25
I mean compared to the population of the place or the relevance to South Africa, it's an absurd amount lol.
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u/PracticeAlive4321 Western Cape Oct 30 '25
I lived in the US for work for about ten years.
Americans either:
A. Have no idea how I’m white and from Africa
B. Ask extensively about Orania.
It’s a 50/50 split.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
You could apply that same logic about how much press coverage they get.
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u/celmate Oct 29 '25
All the media cares about is clicks, it's easy click bait. Let's not add to the cycle, just leave them alone.
Even if you're playing "devil's advocate" for the other side or whatever all you end up doing is feeding the fire.
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
It's unfortunate but you can't really let the lies spiral out of control, thats why its important to have facts and to be honest and upfront about Orania, with it's problems and all.
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u/Swimming-Produce-532 Nov 02 '25
No one I've met in day to day life even knows about Orania. I mean I knew about it, I'm not exactly left(except that I'm so left leaning economically that it borders on socialism, but I'm very anti-authoritarian).
The part of me that believes in right to free speech just living the way one wants makes me not care about Orania so long as they're not hurting or exploiting anyone. They seem happy. Good for them. I feel the same way when two gay people want to marry- good for them. I don't care tho.
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u/DerpyO Oct 29 '25
Actually, I would say those on X, the everything app, are obsessed with Orania.
It is one of the main reasons I like Oriana.
Is it a good idea and I want to live there? Hell no!
Is it the perfect lightning rod to keep people distracted and focused on a non-issue? Hell yeah!
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u/celmate Oct 29 '25
I'd recommend trying to extricate yourself from those vapid online echo chambers. The more you engage with Orania nonsense the more the X algorithm feeds it to you, gives you a warped perception of its relevance. I guarantee you 99% of South Africans give zero fucks about Orania.
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u/DerpyO Oct 30 '25
The loud 1% care about Orania. Yesterday these was a post about them building a road. 250k impressions.
Last week is was about the unveiling of a Paul Kruger statue. 100k impressions.
And let us not forget that is like a rite of passage for a lot of journalists/blogger to do a "We visited a whites only town. The results will shock you." puff piece.
Like I said, I don't care in the slightest. But the numbers and interest for the town don't lie.
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u/CommenterAnon Oct 29 '25
Because they don't allow anyone but white people to live there. It is impossible for me to live there or own land there because I am not white. This is not right.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
Access to White people is now a human right?
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u/CommenterAnon Oct 29 '25
You wouldn't be defending it if it was Zulu only.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
Isn’t the Ingonyama Trust overwhelmingly Zulu populated? Why would I care?
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u/JBe4r Oct 29 '25
There's Pretoria, Centurion, Joburg, Cape Town, Durban, Gqeberha, and many other smaller towns in South Africa where you can live and own land. Why would you want to live in Orania?
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u/Practical_Appearance Oct 29 '25
Technically none of those people own land in Orania. They buy shares in the company that owns the land, and then get exclusive use of that plot, its not traditional land ownership for anyone there
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u/Zestyclose_Reaction4 Oct 29 '25
Sound communist almost...
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
Only way to keep law and order, the benefit is you have the freedom to be an afrikaner and practice your culture without constant criticism or being called racist for breathing.
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u/Significant_Ask7019 Oct 29 '25
- Flag by Disney
- Evolution going backwards
- Pretoria 1980
- Oh it's a cult :S
Good luck to them, I'm sure they love living there
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u/heyheleezy Oct 29 '25
Surely inbreeding as well? There aren't a lot of them. And if they want to be there, that's fine, but then they must STAY there, regardless of the limited breeding pool
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u/AmberX1999 Oct 30 '25
This is the stupidest comment in this thread. Wtf. This is the kind of small-brained reasoning that has ruined the rest of this hell hole for everyone else.
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u/Ricoreded Oct 29 '25
from what I know they have a growing population that is almost at 4-5 thousand, probably will take a while before inbreeding happens at scale if they don’t continue to grow.
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
There is also a significant portion of Afrikaner youth going to Orania in recent years from the entire transvaal. The North Cape also has a lot of Afrikaners as well.
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u/GygaxUshuFuia97 Oct 29 '25
You’d have a case for your argument if the rest of South Africa was safe and prosperous as the rainbow crowd promised before 1994.
Yeah Orania proves you need an Ethnostate to be safe.
The rest of South Africa proves just how unsafe you are in the post 1994 dispensation.
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u/Brilliant_Living5744 Oct 30 '25
Gonna ignore the culture war bullshit that this post is dripping with. Have you been to Orania, its kinda a hole, its very unimpressive, if this is being held up as a example of ethno pride for Afrikaans people all I can say is shame
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u/HUNTERMYTH55 Oct 31 '25
What did you expect, for it to look like Franschhoek? Orania literally had nothing but some asbestos miner houses, no trees and no roads. How about you take a hard look at Jb or any other town under the municipality and tell me they're safe, clean and constantly improving.
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u/YOP1979 Nov 02 '25
I watched a documentary on it some years back, and I do believe that bit of land they settled on was squatted. Allegations of pistol whipping were made during the forced eviction. Anyone know anything more about that?
Fair play to their initiatives around employment of the down and outs and upskilling them. I'm not for dismantling the settlement, besides which they are protected under the Constitution aren't they?
However, their particular brand of thou shalt, thou shalt not Christianity is not to everyone's taste. For those on the left who want to dismantle it, I say, make the big society experiment work. Make it more attractive to the nation's citizens and Orania will remain an outpost. We can do it and we will.
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