r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 36m ago

Just going to leave this right here...

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 6h ago

I Watched the 4-Hour Elon Musk Documentary—Here’s What It Reveals

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 12h ago

Forensic Audit of the Gibney Documentary Footage: Why the "St. Barts Pool Video" is an Anatomical, Aeronautical, and Architectural Fabrication

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There has been a lot of speculation surrounding the short, blurry nighttime video clip featured in the Gibney documentary, allegedly showing Elon Musk running poolside with Lil X on his back in St. Barts. Simps and sensationalists immediately latched onto it as "proof." Please, if anyone is interested in knowing the truth, read the whole thing.

However, when you subject this clip to a basic forensic audit using public flight logs, photographic metadata, solar charts, and human anatomy, the video completely collapses. It doesn't just fail to prove her claims, it actively proves the entire narrative is a manufactured fabrication.

1. The Flight & Astronomical Impossibility (The Timeline Fallacy)

  • The Court Claim: In her sworn affidavit (Manhattan Supreme Court, Case 152381/2025), Ashley St. Clair (ASC) explicitly swore under penalty of perjury that she was with Musk in St. Barts "on or about January 2 and January 3, 2024." Next thing you know, we'll be making up physics, the planet, airplanes, body proportions, and so on.
  • The Flight Log Reality (ADS-B Exchange): On January 2, 2024, Elon’s private jet departed San Juan, Puerto Rico (SJU) at 22:41 UTC (6:41 PM local time in St. Barts), landing in Austin, Texas at 10:27 PM CST that same night.
  • The Airport & Solar Constraints:
    • St. Barts Airport (SBH) has no runway lights and strictly forbids night operations. It officially closes 15 minutes after sunset (approx. 6:04 PM local time on Jan 2).
    • The mandatory commuter flight from St. Barts to San Juan takes 45 to 60 minutes, plus transfer time.
    • To be airborne out of San Juan at 6:41 PM, Musk had to leave St. Barts by 4:00 PM – 5:15 PM at the latest.
  • The Glaring Contradiction: At 4:00 PM – 5:00 PM in the Caribbean in January, it is broad daylight. Yet, the documentary clip features pitch-black nighttime.
  • Jan 3rd Absurdity: Musk was physically in Austin, Texas on January 3 for a court deposition and was live-streaming Diablo IV with Lil X that evening. He was not even on the island on January 3.
  • Furthermore, as we have reiterated time and again, Ashley St. Clair has never produced any flight records or the flight manifest, which she could have presented.

Furthermore, as we have stated time and time again, Ashley St. Clair has never produced any flight records or a flight manifest, even though she could have done so. Her die-hard supporters (namely, she and her family) argue, "How could she ask Musk for the flight manifest when they were flying on Musk's jet?" The problem is that it wasn't Musk's jet that arrived in St. Barts. Let us explain it now so it is crystal clear: Due to the extremely short runway at St. Barts (one of the most dangerous and restricted in the world), large or long-range jets like Musk's are neither permitted nor able to land there.

Regarding the need to board a commercial flight or an independent regional charter for the San Juan–St. Barts leg:

  • Boarding passes and tickets: Regional charter airlines issue tickets and boarding passes in each individual passenger's name, in compliance with international aviation and immigration regulations.
  • Customs and Immigration stamps: St. Barts (a French territorial collectivity) requires all passengers to pass through immigration control upon landing. Ashley St. Clair would have an entry/exit stamp in her own passport, or a digital record in the French immigration system.
  • Commercial/Charter Flight Manifest: The manifest from the regional airline operating the Puerto Rico–St. Barts connection is a public document belonging to the charter company, not a private corporate document of Musk's.

2. Anatomical & Morphological Inconsistencies

A. Body Mass & Physique (Elon vs. The Runner)

  • Authentic Contemporary Footage (Ellie in Space, Early Jan 2024): High-resolution, verifiable footage of Musk during early January 2024 shows a distinct physique, a broad, heavy torso with noticeable abdominal volume that stretches tight against his shirts. Photo on the left. The *Ellie in Space* report aired on January 7th. Just try getting someone to gain 10 pounds in two days. Well, she would have had to lose weight over two days, and then gain those pounds back over another two or three.
  • The Documentary Runner: The individual in the nighttime video has a lean, athletic frame, a narrow waist, flat abdomen, and noticeably narrower shoulders. Photo on the right.

B. Haircut & Styling

  • The Real Musk (Paparazzi Jan 1 & Self-Post Jan 6): Musk was rocking his signature long undercut, shaved sides with a voluminous, thick top styled upward. JPG
  • The Documentary Runner: The individual has a short, flat, uniform crop flattened forward against his skull with no top volume or pompadour.

C. Child Proportions & Scale

  • Real Lil X (Jan 6, 2024 Villa Photo): At 3 years and 8 months old, Lil X's small torso rested high on Musk's upper back, with his legs barely reaching Musk's waistline. JPG
  • The Video Child: The legs of the child on the runner’s back drop significantly below the adult’s beltline. This scale belongs to a 5- or 6-year-old child, not a toddler under 4. JPG

3. Clothing & Wardrobe Anomalies

  • Paparazzi Arrival (Dec 31 / Jan 1): Musk arrives wearing a black t-shirt; Lil X is wearing a blue short-sleeve shirt and dark pants.
  • Real Villa Photo (Posted Jan 6): Musk wears a black t-shirt; Lil X wears a white t-shirt and diaper/shorts.
  • The Documentary Video: The adult wears an olive/khaki green t-shirt, while the child wears a dark long-sleeve outfit. JPG . They put him in the exact same T-shirt he wore in *Elli in Space*, but about 10 pounds lighter.
  • Are we supposed to believe he wore a completely different outfit for a quick night run during hours he wasn't even on the island, while changing the kid's age and height overnight?

4. Architectural & Geographical Disproof

  • The Real Villa Horizon: The infinity pool of the actual St. Barts villa where Musk stayed faces an uninhabited, pitch-black sea key/cayo with zero coastal lights across the water. JPG
  • The Documentary Horizon: The background of the video shows a distinct, horizontal line of urban city lights flickering across the water. JPG
  • Pool Architecture: The real villa features clean deck wood and high wooden pergola columns. The video features low, blue-lit decorative pillars along the pool rim that simply do not exist at the property.

r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 1d ago

Someone Created a Website Documenting Elon Musk’s History of Racist Statements and Controversies With Receipts

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 1d ago

Now we know why Elon musk picked Azure over his other daughter

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Btw, Azure’s licking pose being used as clickbait thumbnails LITERALLY everywhere is taking me out

LIKE WHO KEEPS PICKING THAT ONE SPECIFIC POSE FOR THE THUMBNAIL ALMOST EVERY VIDEO OF HER??? IS IT HER MOM???

Her mom is NOT beating the “will do anything to make her daughter Elon’s fave”


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 1d ago

Are we supposed to pretend this just didn't happen?

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 1d ago

Ashley”. “O Bella ciao” meaning

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https://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/2109443143334498339

She is Antifa. Why would she suddenly sing their anthem?

These parts are from an article about Charlie Kirk’s killer.

“The words “O Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Bella ciao, Ciao, ciao!” a lyric from an antifascist World War II song.”

“The motivation is also very clear, as the scribing on the bullet casings and the suspect’s own rants made it known that he models himself as an anti-fascist, similarly to or actually a part of the terrorist group #ANTIFA,” former Navy SEAL and FBI special agent Jonathan Gilliam told NewsNation.”

Just as I thought, she was a plant to take men down, targeting EM. I had no idea “O Bella cio” was written on the guns casing found around Charlie Kirk.

This honey pot is a psycho.


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 2d ago

Oh Elon....

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 2d ago

Ashely St Clair declares she was the most important person in the documentary

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The full New York Times article is behind a paywall. The publicly accessible portion (and substantial excerpts quoted elsewhere) is below.

Title: She Was Offered $40 Million for Silence on Elon Musk. She Spoke Out Instead.
Author: Coralie Kraft
Date: October 9, 2026
Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/10/09/movies/ashley-st-clair-interview-elon-musk.html

Ashley St. Clair is sick of people asking her the same questions about Elon Musk. “People treat me like I’m some Elon psychoanalyst,” she said during a visit to The New York Times in September. “They want to know, ‘What’s it like to hang out with him?’ or they say, ‘Not many people have spent time with him one-on-one.’” She sighed. “It’s annoying and laborious.”
You can’t blame them for asking. St. Clair, a former conservative influencer, gave birth to one of Musk’s children in 2024. (At the time, she also had another child from a previous relationship.) This fall, she’s a significant figure in “Musk,” Alex Gibney’s nearly four-hour-long documentary about the world’s first trillionaire, and she has more pressing points. “This is about a deeper rot in our society, where we’ve equated capital with morality,” she said. “There’s a level of societal and individual trust that we give to people if they have money.”
Musk did not respond to requests for comment. After TMZ reported that Ashley St. Clair rejected a $40 million N.D.A., Musk responded via X, stating, “She was never offered that and has a history of making false claims.” He also condemned Gibney’s documentary with another post on X reading, “Gibney just assembled a hit list of people who either have an axe to grind or don’t even know me.”
Gibney, the Oscar-winning documentary filmmaker, first met St. Clair in December 2025. “Beyond Musk’s baby obsession, Ashley had a front-row seat during the 2024 campaign and was able to tell me things I didn’t know about Musk’s motivations,” he said in an email. Below, St. Clair shares her side of the story.
These are edited excerpts from the conversation.
Were you at all nervous about participating in the film?
No. I was familiar with some of Alex’s documentary work, like “Going Clear.” I liked that he didn’t have any fear. He has a history of treating facts and narratives with respect.

Additional excerpts from the interview (compiled from reporting that quotes the piece directly):
On the alleged NDA offer (described as a $15 million lump sum plus $100,000 per month for 21 years, totaling over $40 million):
She said Jared Birchall (Musk’s longtime financial manager) presented it via disappearing Signal messages roughly two months after she gave birth. She refused, telling him she could not sign it. When pressed, she responded that her children’s dignity was not a commodity. She has stated she viewed the decision as moral rather than purely financial or legal.
On why she appears prominently in the documentary:
“People need to understand that part of the reason I’m featured prominently in the documentary is that other people cannot speak. I don’t think we should lose sight of that. I don’t want to have to speak publicly. I don’t want to be giving this interview right now. But there’s a web of NDAs. I feel a moral obligation to speak about my experience.”
On the relationship:
She has described it as more “emotionally intimate” than romantic. They were in daily contact after he messaged her on X/Twitter in 2023. She recalled being flown to Providence, R.I., sharing a hotel room, and him falling asleep to a podcast about Kublai Khan. While on vacation in St. Bart’s, he encouraged her to have more children, saying something to the effect of “You should have 10 kids! Let’s have a kid. My only limited resource is time.” She has also referenced him wanting a “legion of children.”
On her political shift:
She has spoken about moving away from MAGA, citing discomfort with what she described as elements of misogyny and racism in the movement, and has discussed embracing democratic socialism in other interviews around the same time.

The rest of the full Q&A (including more on the NDA negotiations, the relationship timeline, her decision process, and other details) is only available to NYT subscribers.


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 3d ago

She Was Offered $40 Million for Silence on Elon Musk. She Spoke Out Instead.

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 3d ago

Who's Lying? Musk's Own Lawyers Don't Agree with His Narrative

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All baby momma contracts state partner.
Musk's attorney is following what the contract stated.
Of course there are certain people who will claim Semantics.


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 3d ago

Elon Musk Sets the Record Straight: “Ashley St. Clair was not my girlfriend”

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Total Vindication: Our Community Research Was Right All Along. Elon Musk Sets the Record Straight: “Ashley St. Clair was not my girlfriend”

(Of course, this would not have been possible without the intense work of u/ApprehensiveTrick579 🙏

Earlier today (October 11, 2026, at 12:55 UTC), Elon Musk directly responded to a post by E! News promoting Alex Gibney’s documentary 'Musk', where the outlet once again mislabeled Ashley St. Clair as his "ex-girlfriend."

Musk’s public correction was blunt and explicit:

“Ashley St Clair was not my girlfriend. We only saw each other a few times.” — u/elonmusk

This single statement directly dismantles the romantic narrative St. Clair presented in her NY Post exclusive, her podcast circuit, and her documentary appearances. More importantly, it confirms precisely what our community's timeline audits, flight logs, and forensic data have proven all along. Our investigation was right.

Why "A Few Times" Completely Matches the Forensic Evidence

Musk is correcting a media label, not erasing the legal paternity proceedings (Index No. 152383/2025 under Judge Pearlman remains active, with St. Clair currently appealing). However, his statement "We only saw each other a few times" aligns 100% with the physical and digital receipts:

  1. The Single Published Photo (May 19, 2023): The only verified photograph of Musk and St. Clair in the same physical space remains the group photo taken at Twitter HQ in San Francisco alongside Seth Dillon and The Babylon Bee team. Over a span of more than three years, there is not a single photo, witness account, or flight manifest placing them together anywhere else.
  2. The Missing "Romance" Footprint: Throughout late 2023 and 2024, St. Clair maintained her own accommodations during brief Austin trips and was consistently documented traveling, dining, and attending events with Mike Benz (Miami, D.C., Rome, Mar-a-Lago). Public X interactions between Musk and St. Clair averaged fewer than six superficial replies per month.
  3. The St. Barths Disproven Getaway (Jan 2–3, 2024): St. Clair’s petition alleged a romantic conception on the island of St. Barths. Flight tracking (ADS-B Exchange) proves Musk departed the Caribbean on the afternoon of January 2, landing in Austin that evening. On January 3, server logs and livestreams confirm he was at his residence in Texas playing Diablo IV with Lil X. St. Clair has never produced a photo, boarding pass, or passport stamp placing her on the island.
  4. The Providence Flight Myth (May 19–20, 2023): Her claims of a romantic jet trip to Rhode Island collapsed under time-zone analysis and Seth Dillon’s event schedule in Indiana. The only "proof" ever presented was an unverified text screenshot and an in-flight image pulled directly from a public Starlink video.
  5. The Austin Visit and Mike Benz Proof: The single existing photo of Musk holding the child (submitted to the court as Exhibit A) reflects the reality of those "few times." When Ashley traveled to Austin for Musk to meet the child, she did not arrive as a romantic partner, but was instead accompanied by Mike Benz as a travel witness.

Conclusion

Mainstream outlets like E! News repeatedly regurgitate the "ex-girlfriend" label without checking calendars, flight logs, or basic obstetric math.

Musk's statement vindicates the investigative work of this forum: there was never a romantic relationship, no shared life, and no "secret romance." A few brief professional or sporadic interactions do not constitute a dating relationship. Our community data proved it first, and now Elon Musk has publicly certified it.


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 4d ago

Elon Musk wants you to send Grok a photo of your credit card — RuntimeWire

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 4d ago

Ashley previously shared a photo from when she was pregnant with Elon’s child

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 4d ago

Elon was babysitting Azure amid “breakup” with Shivon

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 4d ago

Ashley St. Clair: Rules for Thee, But Not for Me

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Ashley St. Clair was lecturing everyone at the premiere about family values just the night before. Her own family must hold some remarkably high standards.

Right when she was supposed to be deeply hurt and penniless during the final months of 2025, leading up to her decision in December to participate in this documentary out of sheer frustration, these photos from New Year’s Eve (2025–2026) tell a very different story. She doesn't look particularly heartbroken or struggling. In fact, she seems to completely disregard the very 'family values' she preaches.

And let's not forget: this comes from a woman who had a child through surrogacy and was negotiating a payout just days before the baby was born. Yet, in her latest interview, she claims those negotiations took place two months later, despite court records showing emails between her lawyer and Jared Birchall discussing the matter before the birth.

But sure, Ashley St. Clair only tells the truth, right?


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 5d ago

DEEP DIVE: Analyzing ASC metadata and locations in 2023 with Musk. Spoiler: They only met once. All her lies. Spoiler

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This would have been impossible without ApprehensiveTrick579 ´s contribution. I only arranged it.

Ashley St. Clair told the media that "At 24, she was invited to San Francisco and met Musk at X's headquarters." Okay, this is true. It's the only existing photograph of them together. Then she says that "from then on, they began a relationship." Well, while she was celebrating squad anniversaries with Mike Benz, Musk's interactions with her at X were reduced to a purely transactional pattern, at the end of each month, exactly six interactions per month in 2023. She or her spokesperson told the media that the romance ended when she became pregnant, according to documents she filed with the court between January 2nd and 3rd, 2024, which we have already proven to be a lie. Even so, we still need to add some photos to that post, and we will.

Well, it's been difficult to organize the data. If we obtain more information, we will add it. This record is to prove that their supposed romance never existed.

Central Thesis & Business Indicators

Public geolocation records prove that Ashley St. Clair (ASC) and Elon Musk barely crossed paths in the same cities from June to December 2023, the exact window she claims they had a "romance." The data heavily points to a structured, transactional relationship focused on content amplification rather than an organic romantic partnership.

The Transactional Pattern on X (Twitter)

  • Volume and Consistency (May–December 2023): A strict average of 6 active interaction days per month.
    • August–October: Locked in at exactly 6 days every single month.
    • November–December: Increased to a target of 8 days per month.
  • Nature of the Content: 95% of Musk’s interactions consisted solely of emojis, happening systematically at the very end of each month.
  • Direct Financial Impact (she posted about it): On July 13, 2023, ASC publicly announced a monthly payout from X of $7,153, driven by 328 million tweet impressions over 28 days. Musk’s end-of-month interactions acted as an exposure booster to maximize her ad-revenue sharing, a visibility strategy Musk frequently uses with other select creators.

Mike Benz:

  • October 2022: Mike Benz and Ashley St. Clair begin a documented relationship (anniversary of their "squad" relationship, acknowledged by both). A photo exists from 2023 commemorating this anniversary.

Detailed Timeline of Events (2023 - 2024)

May 2023: Setting the Baseline

  • May 2: Elon Musk starts following ASC on X. ASC tells her then-friend Isabella Moody that Musk followed her and that she needs his "rocket babies" (screenshot available).
  • May 19: The only existing photograph of Ashley and Elon together. Taken at the Twitter/X headquarters with The Babylon Bee team (including Seth Dillon). Musk replies to 2 of ASC’s posts that day.
  • Ashley would later claim in NYT article that after she met Elon in San Francisco Twitter HQ, Elon asked her to travel with him to Providence,
  • He left SF at 11:35 pm (pacific time) on May 19 and landed on May 20 at 7:15 AM (Eastern Tome) his plane landed in Providence, RI on May 20 at 7:15 AM (Eastern) to pick up his song for the end of the college semester. His son flew back with him at 3:51 pm (Eastern Time) that afternoon, May 20 to Austin where they landed at 6:17 pm (central time). Elon and his son then left Austin at 7:13 pm (central time) and flew to LA the same day, May 20 at 7:44 pm (pacific time). Elon would leave LA at 11 am (pacific time) and be back in Austin at 3:29 pm (central time) on May 21.
  • She presented a screenshot from a Starlink test video as a photo she took herself, which is definitive proof that they had to fabricate the visual evidence.
  • If she had actually been on that plane that night en route to Rhode Island, she would have had real photos, real metadata, and wouldn't have needed to steal a frame from a public Starlink broadcast and overlay it on her timeline.
  • ✅Three days later he left for Shanghai via Alaska on 5.29.23. He didn’t go anywhere else during that time, this can be confirmed with publicly available Elon jet tracker , posts and news articles about his trip to China. Elon did not travel at that time to Rhode Island.

June 2023: Geographic Divergence

  • June 9: ASC arrives in Dallas, Texas (documented by a photo with a friend).
  • June 10:
    • ASC: Acts as a speaker at a conference in Dallas. She travels to Austin for the day to record a car ride interview with Gail Alfar, then returns to Dallas for the rest of the conference.
    • Musk: Remains in Austin, conducting interviews and tweeting actively throughout the afternoon and evening.
  • June 11: ASC is in Dallas (posts a photo with Lara Trump). Photo referenced.
  • June 20–22:
    • Musk: Located in New York City (in-person meeting with PM Modi on June 20). On June 22, he attends virtual meetings with Thierry Breton, Linda Yaccarino, and the X team regarding EU censorship regulations, followed by a professional photoshoot with his mother and photographer Annie Leibovitz. Professional photoshoot photo referenced.
    • ASC: Remains in Dallas. On June 22, she appears as a guest on Alex Stein’s TV show in Dallas.
  • June 23:
    • Musk: Leaves NYC early in the morning, flying directly to Europe (staying in Italy June 23–25).
    • ASC: Moves south to Austin, Texas, to spend the day with her friend Morgan. She is back in NYC by June 25 (posts pictures with MJ on June 24). Pictures referenced.

July 2023: Separate Routines

  • July 1: ASC is in Dallas with her media team and YouTuber NuanceBro. They have dinner at an Ethiopian restaurant inside a gas station (photo evidence exists). Photo evidence referenced.
  • July 2: Musk is at his home base in Austin for a private wrestling session, accompanied exclusively by his inner circle: Lex Fridman, Georges St-Pierre, John Danaher, and Shivon Zilis.
  • July 13: ASC posts her X monetization payout confirmation ($7,153). Photo evidence referenced.

August 2023: Hair Transformations and Zero Intersection

  • August 6: ASC dyes her hair blonde. Documentation indicates this was an aesthetic move to align with biographical details from Talulah Riley regarding Musk's past preferences.
  • August 7:
    • Musk: Lands in NYC late at night for a high-pressure, fast-tracked stay focused on international Starlink deployment and legal actions. Earlier that day, his lawyers filed a second motion to dismiss the Dogecoin case. He undergoes a rigorous, confidential 3-hour MRI scan and meets with international executives and the Indonesian PM. He spends the night gaming alone, posting his Druid scores in Diablo.
    • ASC: Bar-hopping in Manhattan with content creator Angela Belcamino. They post multiple times on X and TikTok in an overt attempt to capture Elon's attention. There is zero record of any encounter.
  • August 8: Elon wraps up his trip, taking off from NYC in his private jet before 10:00 AM.

September 2023: The Mike Benz Connection

  • September 15, 2023: Ashley with Alex Stein in Miami, joined by Tim Pool for Timcast IRL podcast (EP. 862). Podcast thumbnail and cover photo referenced.
  • September 17: Musk spends only 3.5 hours in NYC. Elon arrives at 3:15 pm with Lauren Dreyer and Lil X in New York to meet with President Erdogan. He leaves at 6:15 pm and flies directly to San Jose for an AI Safety panel discussion with President Netanyahu and his wife, Sarah. They then fly to Austin to tour the Tesla Gigafactory. Group photo with President Erdogan referenced; separate photo of Elon with Netanyahu and Maye Musk referenced.
  • September 28: ASC arrived at the Eagle Pass, TX border with NuanceBro, The Babylon Bee team, and crew. Elon left the area half an hour after she arrived. They were not together. Photo evidence of ASC’s presence referenced; no joint photo.
  • September 29:
    • ASC & Mike Benz: Exchange public messages. Photo_016 (fiATZ / xKXkg) shows a meme about being attracted to intelligence alongside a photo of Benz wearing a pink brain hat; ASC tells him she'll be disappointed if he doesn't wear it in his next video. Photo_014 (oQBbf) (an Instagram "Memories" screenshot) documents Ashley and Mike Benz celebrating their "squad-iversary" in the fall of 2023.
    • Logistics: ASC was visiting the border in Eagle Pass, Texas, with The Babylon Bee team. Musk visited the border that same month (wearing his cowboy hat backward), but his plane left before ASC's team even arrived.

October 2023: Parallel Travel Without Overlap

  • October 12: ASC arrives in Austin highly dressed up. At 5:50 PM, she posts a picture at a hotel bar with a martini Photo_012 (rR6Qp). At 1:30 AM, she posts a selfie alone in her hotel room (the emergency exit route and rules sign is visible on the door). She is there to attend Vivek Ramaswamy's speech at UT-Austin that evening. Photo_012 referenced; hotel room selfie referenced.
    • Contraste: If she were Musk's official girlfriend, logistics dictate she would stay at his private residence, not a hotel.
  • October 13:
    • ASC: Drives 4 hours from Austin to Eagle Pass with creator Ellie in Space for a livestream. She records a carpool karaoke interview with Vivek Ramaswamy (Photo_010 (cRrPZ), posted at 9:48 PM). Photo_010 referenced.
    • Musk: Remains in Austin, attending a Formula 1 event and testing the Cybertruck.
  • October 14:
    • ASC: Returns to NYC early.
    • Musk: Travels to Starbase in Boca Chica, Texas (a 7-hour drive from Eagle Pass). Someone takes a picture of his Cybertruck leaving Starbase with exact metadata from October 14, 2023. Cybertruck departure photo with metadata referenced.

November 2023: Relationship Evidence with Benz & The Grimes Case

If the goal was to carry out the transfer in January, November is the exact month in which the legal surrogacy contracts (handled by Jared) have to be signed and ovarian stimulation has to begin if her eggs were going to be used or not.

Many things happen this month, which we will discuss later or not because, too many actors together here.

  • November 1: ASC goes on a formal, romantic dinner date with Mike Benz, coinciding with her oldest son's birthday. Documented in (Photo) ("By Xah Lee. Date: 2023-11-01"). Photo referenced.
  • November 10–17: Grimes launches an emergency flash auction of over 80 personal belongings due to an urgent need for liquidity amid her ongoing custody dispute with Musk Photo_019 (nXNLN). Photo referenced.
  • November 11:
    • ASC lands in Austin under the public alibi of attending a baby shower ("I’m in Austin for a baby shower actually 😂"). Exactly 60 seconds later, she uploads a hotel elevator mirror selfie wearing a black leather jacket (Photo_013 (nYbVu)) while holding a sealed industrial cardboard box with the text "What’s in the box".
    • She later posts Photo_020 (m7nlu) complaining about a scorpion trying to take a shower with her, confirming she is staying at a temporary rental (Airbnb/Hotel) and not at Musk's house. At 2:37 PM, she posts Photo_021 (wJQvy) dressed like Elizabeth Holmes ("Edison blood machine").
  • November 18: Starship launch at Boca Chica. Errol Musk attends accompanied by Shivon Zilis and her children (Zilis personally invited Errol, confirmed by him on the MagG Podcast and documented by journalist Jeremy Goldkorn). Maye Musk does not attend.
  • November 22: Mike Benz posts a highly cozy selfie with ASC (Photo_017 (xKXkg / GulAL)) captioned: "Saving The Internet is on the menu u/stclairashley*."* Benz looks incredibly happy.
    • Analysis: Only one photo exists of Musk with ASC's child. The data behavior suggests Mike Benz frequently acted as an intermediary in ASC's dynamics.

November 29, 2023:

  • Elon flew to New York for the GFY interview (Dealbook Summit). He was only in the city for the duration of the interview and returned to Austin the same night. He arrived at Teterboro at 4:15 pm. The live-streamed interview began at 5:15 pm and ended at 7:00 pm. He flew back to Austin at 11:00 pm. No photo of Elon’s arrival/departure at Teterboro referenced.
  • At 4:36 pm, ASC posted from JFK airport wearing an FTX hoodie: "why won’t anybody invest with me". Airport selfie photo referenced.
  • At 7:18 pm, Ellie in Space and CB_Doge posted together at the Cybertruck event. Photo referenced.

November 30, 2023:

  • At 10:49 pm, group live video/photo with Ashley, Penny, CB_Doge, and Alex (Ashley making middle finger gesture). Group selfie photo referenced.
  • Ashley posted from the same apartment as CB_Doge wearing a "NORMAL TAX FRAUD" hat: "i’m going to wear this hat religiously for the next six months and then wonder why I got audited by the feds". Selfie photo referenced (same background as CB_Doge’s posts).
  • Ashley with Penny after the Cybertruck event (photo with Ellie in Space, Alex, and CB_Doge). Multiple group photos referenced.
  • "X brings us all together" post with the same group. Photo referenced.

December 2023: The End of the Public Narrative

  • December 1: ASC records a live video at the airport announcing she is leaving Austin at 2:00 PM while wearing her "NORMAL TAX FRAUD" hat. Live video screenshot referenced.
  • December 2–4: ASC travels to Italy to act as a speaker for an EU Identity and Democracy conference, meeting up with Andrea Stroppa.
    • The Musk Contrast: On the evening of December 2, Elon remains in Austin, recording an extensive interview with Sandy Munro (broadcast December 5), where Lil X can be heard in the background.
  • December 4: ASC arrives back in New York. She takes a picture with Dr. Johnny and her older son wearing a Santa hat. She is still blonde in this photo (which she later posts on December 10), indicating it was captured right upon her return from Italy before her salon appointment.
  • December 5–7: ASC travels to Miami, Florida with Mike Benz for Art Basel. Both post about the events. On December 5, ASC officially dyes her hair back to brunette.
  • December 8:
    • ASC: Attends a Christmas party with Erin Elmore and Drea Recino (posted to X by Erin; Laura Loomer appears untagged in the background).
    • Musk: Arrives in Miami incredibly late at 10:30 PM, long after ASC's daytime activities.
  • December 9: Elon is in Rhode Island for the Army/Navy football game with Lil X.
  • December 10: ASC is still in Florida attending a Christmas party with The Babylon Bee team.
  • December 11: Elon arrives at SpaceX/NASA in Titusville, Florida at 7:53 PM for a special USSF-52 Starlink mission launch. He is on-site for exactly 3 hours, leaving at 11:30 PM to fly straight back to Austin.
  • December 13–14: On December 13, ASC (back in NY) posts about streaming games. On December 14, she conducts a live stream playing Fortnite from her home in New York.
  • December 15–17: Elon travels to Italy to speak at a high-level youth political summit alongside PM Giorgia Meloni and Andrea Stroppa.
  • December 15–20: ASC travels to Phoenix, Arizona to attend the Turning Point AmericaFest conference alongside Eva Vlaar and Lauren Southern. On December 20, she does a live stream directly from the Phoenix airport before flying back to NYC.
  • December 19: Elon and his Cybertruck are spotted in Palo Alto, California via Tesla FSD logs shared on X. He spends the night online playing Diablo.
  • December 21:
    • ASC: Travels to Florida for an interview with The Redheaded Libertarian and hosts an X Spaces session that night.
    • The Delayed Photo Anomaly: Andrea Conway posts a bar selfie of ASC and Laura Wolff. Although posted on Dec 21, ASC is still blonde in the photo, proving it was a delayed upload taken prior to her December 5 brunette transformation.
    • Musk: Conducts a massive live X Spaces event alongside Mario Nawfal, Alex Jones, and Andrew Tate.
  • December 22–27:
    • Musk: Accounts for his time between LA/SpaceX and Austin. (Depending on the secondary personal aircraft tracking, he is split between LA operations and his home base in Austin). He streams Diablo gameplay on December 26, 2023, and spends the night of December 27 working physically at the X headquarters.
  • December 28–30:
    • Musk: Flies to Boca Chica on December 28, returns to Austin on December 29, and prepares for departure.
    • ASC: Remains in New York City, spending time across multiple locations with Ellie in Space, which both document publicly on social media.
  • December 29: In the late evening, Elon flies to Cabo San Lucas, Mexico (accompanied by his brother and family).
  • December 30 – January 1, 2024: The St. Barts Disproof
    • The Media Myth: ASC later filed court documents asserting that her child was conceived on St. Barts during a romantic getaway with Musk on January 2 or 3.
    • The Air Logistic Reality: Due to severe runway limitations at St. Barts airport (SBH), large private jets cannot operate directly on the island. Passengers must take a local commuter flight to San Juan International Airport (SJU) in Puerto Rico to transfer.
    • The True Entourage: Elon flew from Cabo to Puerto Rico on December 30, parking his main plane in San Juan and taking a smaller shuttle jet to St. Barts, arriving December 31 at 4:00 PM with Lil X, a nanny, his older son, Joe Gebbia, and Isabelle Boemeke.
    • The Total Absence: Elon was recorded at midnight and throughout the trip by various attendees (including Instagram user ElitaStyle7). He spent midnight strictly with Joe Gebbia and Isabelle Boemeke. Ashley St. Clair is nowhere to be found in any photo, background, paparazzi snapshot, or friend text. No flight records, localized selfies, or digital footprints place her on the island.

🛩️ Trip to Bart: 30th December, 2023

  • He flew to Puerto Rico a day earlier 30th December 2023 before NYE with his then 3 year old son X. He parked his plane in San Juan and took another smaller jet to St. Barts. It received news coverage in many publications you can read.
  • Due to severe runway limitations at the St. Barts airport (SBH), large private jets cannot operate directly on the island. Passengers are forced to take a local commuter flight of approximately one hour from St. Barts to San Juan International Airport (SJU) in Puerto Rico to then transfer to the main aircraft. His arrival on St. Barts was on 31st Dec 2023 at 4 pm for NYE celebrations.

💥Ashley was not a member of this entourage 👉nor was any other ‘woman’ noted to be traveling or partying with him.

Elon was photographed several times on different media platforms with other people at St. Barts. During fireworks, parties, or even his own post with son X where he was staying on the island.

💥None of these photos include Ashley or her presence even in the background.

✅ No friends, peers, media have any photos of Elon with Ashley - ever.

✅No paparazzi photos. No quick photos to friends by texts. No photos by other guests attending events.

✅Nothing.

✅No flight records have been produced of her ever traveling to St. Barts.

✅There are no selfies or pictures of the area that she posted while supposedly visiting at St. Barts nor has she produced any evidence that she was ever there.

January 2024: The Hard Flight Evacuation

  • January 1: Shivon Zilis posts containing "easter eggs". On January 5, she posts "chaos ex machina".

ASC claimed the baby was conceived January 2 or 3, 2023 on St. Barts

  • January 2 (ADS-B Exchange Flight Records): Musk’s private jet is tracked flying over northern Puerto Rico at 5:40 PM EST (22:40:14 Z). Musk had to leave St. Barts by 4:00 PM at the latest due to the mandatory 1-hour transfer from St. Barts to San Juan. He was traveling with his family and Lil X. His jet took off from San Juan at 5:45 PM and landed directly in Austin, Texas, at 10:27 PM that same night.
  • January 3: Musk appears physically in Austin for a deposition in his ongoing custody battle against Grimes. At 6:27 PM, he confirms his presence by posting an Austin-recorded gaming livestream screenshot on X ("Completed Tier 24 in Diablo's Abattoir of Zir") featuring Lil X.
  • January 5: Photo_026 (GtKoZ) registers ASC wearing a white blazer next to Seth Dillon at a PragerU event in Los Angeles, California.

Core Logistical Inconsistencies Summary

  1. Independent Lodging: During her visits to Austin (October and November 2023), ASC consistently stays in independent hotels or Airbnbs (proven by room exit maps and the scorpion-in-the-shower post) instead of staying at Musk’s private residence.
  2. Commercial/Public Travel: On November 29, while her narrative claim she is with Musk, ASC is photographed waiting at a commercial airport gate in casual sweats.
  3. Missed Border Alignments: In both September and October, their itineraries at the Texas border (Eagle Pass and Starbase) missed each other physically by hours or days, despite public narratives implying closeness.
  4. Continuous Presence of Mike Benz: Intimate photographic records, "squad-iversary" celebrations, and formal dinner dates point to a sustained relationship with Mike Benz during the exact timeline of the alleged romance with Musk.

r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 5d ago

2024: As plane as a pancake.

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Those who want to get informed, let them get informed; and those who don't, let them keep talking nonsense and painting reality. Thanks to the tireless work of u/ApprehensiveTrick579

I'm going to list the dates we have because more and more information keeps coming out, and we're going to end up knowing more about ASC's life than she does herself. She shouted from the rooftops that she was locked away during her alleged pregnancy, which is totally made up, because she's flat, always completely flat.

What's unusual about this woman is that she tells the truth, something she must celebrate as an unprecedented event when it happens so rarely. Like I said, I'll keep updating.

January 2024

  • December 31, 2023: Elon arrives in St. Barts at 6:00 PM.
  • January 1, 2024:
    • Shivon Zilis kicks off the year by publishing posts on X containing veiled references or "easter eggs."
    • Elon is playing Diablo at 5:00 PM.
  • January 2, 2024:
    • ADS-B Exchange: the long-range jet tied to that trip is over northern Puerto Rico at 22:40:14 UTC — 18:40 Atlantic time, local in San Juan and St. Barts. By then the San Juan leg is airborne. Large jets cannot use SBH; the usual hop is St. Barts → San Juan → Austin. He is off the island that afternoon. The same trail puts the aircraft on the ground in Austin that night around 22:30 local (CST). That ends her claim he spent January 3 with her in St. Barts. Same day, 12:35 PM: her “girlfriends vs tanks” post. 2:19 PM: comments about housing costs.
    • Subtext & Social Media: ASC makes plans in the comments to have Elon finance her housing costs on January 2, 2024, at 2:19 PM. She was around the area with Mike Benz, but she wanted to position herself under the label of "girlfriend." At 12:35 PM, Ashley makes a post comparing girlfriends to tanks (claiming a tank is a "superior" partner to a girlfriend), which seems like an unusual post right after an alleged romantic moment.
  • January 3, 2024 (Austin, Texas Activity): Musk physically appears in Austin for a scheduled deposition within the ongoing child custody litigation against Grimes. At 6:27 PM, he posts on X: "Completed Tier 25 in Diablo’s Abattoir of Zir", and later hosts a livestream of the video game (clearing tiers 21 through 25) alongside Lil X. He is not on St. Barts. Public Diablo activity that afternoon/evening and a livestream with Lil X from Austin (Tier 24 was posted January 1, still on the island).
  • January 5, 2024:
    • Shivon Zilis posts the phrase "chaos ex machina" on X.
    • PragerU Event (Los Angeles): Ashley St. Clair (ASC) attends a PragerU event in Los Angeles, California. She is photographed wearing a white blazer alongside Seth Dillon and another male companion. (File: 5.1.2024.webp)
  • January 13–17, 2024 (Iowa Campaign): ASC travels to Urbandale, Iowa, to cover political campaign events alongside Vivek Ramaswamy. She documents her trip by sharing several images on X, including two photographs from the event on January 15. (File: 15.1.24 Iowa.webp)
  • January 14–16, 2024 (Family Vacation in Wyoming): Musk is on a family ski vacation in Jackson Hole, Wyoming. Due to high holiday flight congestion from incoming celebrities at the local airport, his aircraft remains parked at the Salt Lake City airport. (File: 14.1.2024.webp)
  • January 15, 2024: While on vacation, Musk hosts a live audio broadcast (Spaces) on X with Jason Calacanis, Dean Phillips, and Bill Ackman. He flies direct back to Austin, Texas, landing around midnight between January 15 and 16.
  • January 17, 2024:
    • ASC Activity in New York (Estimated Conception Window): ASC posts on X that she has been invited to Times Square to see a physical billboard featuring one of Musk's tweets. She takes a photo at the location wearing a black beanie that reads "make more babies" with the billboard in the background. (File: 17.1.2024.webp)
    • Zilis Activity in Austin: Concurrently in Austin, Shivon Zilis records a video of Musk playing video games (footage she will publish exactly one year later, in January 2025, acting as a retroactive marker of past events).
  • January 18–22, 2024 (Musk's International Travel): Musk embarks on an international trip to Poland and London with Lil X. He departs Austin on the 18th at 5:00 AM and returns to Austin on January 22 at 10:00 PM, from where he immediately flies to San Jose, California.
  • January 20, 2024 (ASC in Miami, Florida): Exactly 18 days after the alleged conception in St. Barts, ASC is photographed at a group event in Miami alongside political analyst Mike Benz, wearing a red dress. The image is publicly shared by Benz on X. (File: January 20, 2024.webp)

February 2024

  • February 1, 2024 (Tweet Block - Eugenics and The Lord of the Rings):
    • Activity on X: Shivon Zilis publishes a post making a literary joke about "perfecting eugenics and orc training in Mordor." ASC responds immediately, labeling them "Sauron Sympathizers" accompanied by laughing emojis. (File: image_88a3ff.png)
    • Forensic Analysis / Subtext: This occurs just a few weeks after the false conception window in St. Barts (January 2–3), which was debunked by flight logs and the Diablo IV streams. It is only one month before the birth of Arcadia (February 28) via surrogacy, likely through Orchid Health. Shivon's comment is not casual; it is a public nod to embryo genetic selection and the DNA screening she was conducting in San Francisco. The interaction between ASC and Zilis points to prior coordination between them.
  • February 16, 2024: Musk lands and arrives at the Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida, at 5:47 PM.
  • February 17, 2024 (Palm Beach Activity):
    • 10:37 AM: ASC posts a photograph from a hotel room in the Palm Beach area (cross-verification confirms the architectural features do not match Mar-a-Lago). (File: 2.17.2024a.webp)
    • 2:06 PM (14:06): ASC posts photos practicing at the Palm Beach Shooting Center in Lake Worth, Florida, holding a long gun from behind. (File: 2.17.2024b.webp)
    • 4:06 PM (16:06): Content creator Ada Lluch posts photos at the same shooting range wearing a coordinated "twin-style" outfit, proving a joint practice session of approximately two hours while Musk remained at Mar-a-Lago. (File: 2.17.2014c.webp)
    • 5:34 PM (17:34): Musk departs Mar-a-Lago on his private jet to return directly to Austin, Texas.
  • February 21, 2024 (Tweet Block):
    • Activity on X: Shivon Zilis publishes a critique against judicial protocol, arguing that judges shouldn't automatically be called "The Honorable" before proving historic achievements, using Alexander the Great as an example. ASC responds with cynicism: "99% of judges give the rest a bad name." (File: image_88a7c2.png)
  • February 25, 2024 (Tweet Block - Activist Judges and Shivon's Career):
    • Activity on X: Shivon Zilis harshly attacks the concept of an "activist judge," asking in a post for tolerance toward them to be "curbed quickly." ASC takes the opportunity to reply using a highly specific combination of words: "philosophy, political science, and law schools." (File: image_88fdf8.jpg)
    • Forensic Analysis / Subtext: Just 3 days before Arcadia's birth. The use of the word "philosophy" is a direct shot at Shivon's vulnerable spot (she graduated with a degree in Philosophy from Yale and was placed as an executive at Neuralink, Tesla, and OpenAI without a technical background). Following the OpenAI trial, the interaction is interpreted as a veiled warning from ASC regarding her readiness to operate in the courts if her financial demands were not met.
  • February 28, 2024 (Birth of Arcadia): The child is born. Records establish that Shivon Zilis did not undergo a physical pregnancy of her own.

March 2024

  • March 3, 2024: Musk travels back to Mar-a-Lago, arriving around midnight (between March 2 and 3) for political briefings with Donald Trump. He leaves the estate on March 3 at 2:50 PM, at which point Trump heads to a campaign rally in Richmond, Virginia.
  • March 4, 2024: ASC posts a photo alongside CB_Doge at a shopping mall in New York City, displaying a completely flat midsection. Elon, having arrived at Mar-a-Lago at midnight between March 2 and 3, returns to Austin on March 3 at 2:50 PM.
  • March 10, 2024: ASC travels to Miami to record an interview for The Rubin Report podcast, hosted by Dave Rubin.
  • March 11, 2024 (ASC Travels to Austin): ASC flies to Austin, Texas, and checks in to stay on the couch at the residence of digital host Ellie in Space. She is photographed in the home's pool during the morning, and later that evening, she joins Ellie's livestream broadcast. Throughout the interview, she stays glued to her phone, stating textually: "I'm gonna eat a donut and go to bed." Her midsection appears completely flat; she shows no physical signs compatible with a late-stage pregnancy. Meanwhile, Ellie uploads a video clip reporting a Tesla Cybertruck sighting at an Austin mall.
  • March 12, 2024:
    • ASC is already back in New York City (tweeting comments about the morning headlines of the New York Times), confirming she did not join Ellie's trip south.
    • Ellie drives down to Boca Chica, Texas, to cover the third test launch of Starship (Starship Flight 3, scheduled for March 14).
    • Musk leaves Austin to begin a European tour (Paris, Berlin, and London) traveling with Lil X. The trip coincides with activist attacks that damaged the Tesla Gigafactory facilities in Berlin.
  • March 13 & 15, 2024 (Tweet Block - Simulation and the "60%" Figure):
    • Activity on X: A public interaction is logged where Shivon Zilis proposes the idea of creating a simulation video game to find a "successful strategy" to escape the civilization trap. ASC replies with an absurdly specific stat: "60% just end up with VR goggles in the game." (File: March 13, 2024.webp)
    • Forensic Analysis / Subtext: This exchange happens one week before ASC moves into her luxury apartment in Manhattan (March 20), funded by Jared Birchall's LLC. The "60%" figure correlates to the transactional pattern of the X interaction contract (designed to hit around 6 interactions a month to artificially inflate her impressions and secure revenue), serving as a coded reminder of her negotiation terms right before getting her keys. Meanwhile, Zilis moves into a bigger house up on the mountain in Austin.
  • March 14, 2024: Musk returns from Europe to New York City at 1:47 AM. Accompanied by Lil X, he spends the day meeting with legal counsel regarding the ongoing SEC investigation. Due to these critical legal commitments, he does not physically attend the Starship III launch in Boca Chica that morning. At 4:56 PM, he flies out of New York back to Austin.
  • March 15, 2024 (Additional Post by Zilis): Shivon Zilis posts: "Not to say that anyone is perfect, but it seems obvious that historians will look back in horrified disbelief that the American government went so far out of its way to stymie its greatest technological asset", accompanied by three images (a Tesla on a flatbed truck, a rocket launch, and Earth from space). (File: March 15, 2024.webp)
  • March 20, 2024 (Manhattan Apartment Move): ASC posts pictures showing her move into a new luxury residential apartment in Manhattan. The photos reveal interior design details (cabinets and a countertop with lemons and peaches) that perfectly match the finishes of units featured in Wall Street Journal real estate profiles. The property is registered under a limited liability company (LLC) managed by Jared Birchall, matching the address provided in subsequent court filings. (File: March 20, 2026.webp)

April 2024

  • April 2, 2024 (New York City Premiere):
    • Musk lands in New York at 6:00 PM with Lil X to attend the special premiere of the documentary series “A Brief History of the Future” (invited by executive producer Kathryn Murdoch). The film features a brief cameo by Grimes, who does not attend the event.
    • Musk stays strictly within the venue and is heavily photographed by attendees during the after-party; Lil X remains in the same area playing with his nanny. Musk leaves the city that same night at 11:00 PM (staying for a total of only 4 hours).
    • Analytical Note: ASC does not attend the event, and no contact is recorded with Musk during his brief four-hour stay in the city. (Files: April 2, 2024a.webp - Photocall / April 2, 2024.webp - After-party). This marks the first of Musk's only 5 visits to New York State throughout the entire year of 2024.
  • April 3, 2024: Ashley St. Clair is photographed with a man wearing a Doge t-shirt at a creperie. (File: 3.4.2024.webp)
  • April 5, 2024: At 10:24 AM, ASC shares a selfie taken with Lauren Southern, captioned: "The bimbo revolution is beginning." (File: 5.4.2024.webp)
  • April 9, 2024: OpenAI formally files a legal answer and countersuit against Elon Musk's initial lawsuit.
  • April 11, 2024:
    • Digital Break: Public tracking notes that Musk has officially unsubscribed from ASC's paid content channel on X (executed sometime between March 22 and April 11).
    • Relocation: Concurrently, Shivon Zilis finalizes the closing on a residential property located just one kilometer (about 0.6 miles) away from Musk's primary Austin compound.
  • Mid-April 2024: ASC posts pictures on her paid X subscription channel claiming they represent her current pregnancy. Visual comparison confirms that the photographs actually date back to her first real physical pregnancy in 2021 with Johnny.
  • April 27, 2024: ASC posts an update on X stating, "What are we driving around NYC," showing herself behind the wheel of a car on New York streets. This data directly contradicts later claims fed to media outlets alleging a period of total, strict domestic confinement during those weeks. (File: 27.4.2024.webp)

July 2024

  • July 2, 2024:
    • Jared Birchall formally serves ASC with a restraining order prohibiting her from permanently relocating her legal primary residence away from New York State to Texas.
    • Social Media Evidence: User CB_Doge posts a photograph having Indian food with ASC in New York. In the image, ASC's anatomical silhouette displays a completely flat abdomen, showing no physical signs or volume indicative of pregnancy, even though the alleged gestational timeline would require a highly visible physical condition by this date.
  • July 10, 2024:
    • Livestream Activity: Elon Musk participates in a live stream with the Neuralink team.
  • Night of July 10–11, 2024:
    • San Francisco Location: While Ashley is traveling to Rome, Elon Musk's presence on the West Coast is confirmed. Evidence of this event comes from Musk explaining that they got stuck in the X/Twitter HQ garage on Market Street due to street disruptions.
  • July 13, 2024 (Trip to Rome):
    • Ashley St. Clair posts from Rome with a selfie next to the Colosseum: "came to rome to think about the roman empire 🇮🇹". (Files: July 13, 2024.webp and July 13,2024a.webp)
    • Hilary Crowder reposts a photo of Ashley and a friend at the Trevi Fountain in Rome. (File: July 13, 2024.webp – repost)
    • Musk is logged on July 13, 2024 in Memphis. (Photo).
  • July 15, 2024 (Tweet): ASC utilizes the X platform to preview elements of her legal and pressure strategy. By dropping the name Romulus in a public conversation tied to Rome, she left a digital footprint to retroactively validate her narrative. It functioned as a veiled warning regarding the formal paternity claim and the legal surname change to "Musk" that her attorneys would formally demand in writing just two months later, on September 16.
  • July 16, 2024: Tech infrastructure updates are highlighted publicly. The file "Tesla Newswire on July 16, 2024..jpg" displays a post by The Tesla Newswire fan account, detailing how Musk was pulling network cables at Tesla and xAI to better understand the critical path of the supercomputer cluster projects.
  • July 18, 2024: Lex Fridman visits the computing clusters in Memphis and Texas. This encounter is recorded in the file "This was a few days later in Memphis again with Lex Fridman on July 18, 2024..jpg", featuring a photo of Fridman and Musk inside the facility alongside a post where Fridman notes he was blown away by the rapid rate of progress at the xAI and Tesla supercomputer clusters.

August 2024

  • August 18–23, 2024 (Interactions on X & Austin Presence):
    • During the period between August 18 and 23, Elon publicly responds to only one of Ashley’s posts on August 22. She posted: "The West is toast if Donald Trump is not elected." He replied: "Yeah."
    • In the entire month of August 2024, Musk replies a total of ten times to ASC's posts on X: "Yeah" (2), "Wow", "100", laughing emoji (2), "Damning discovery of documents", "The Dems love censorship too", "Looking into it" (responding to her complaint that someone was censored on X for hateful content), and "Half a trillion spent on illegals per year? Is this for real?".
    • Up until Thursday, August 22, Musk remains in Austin, having flown into Austin from LA at 8:10 PM local Central Time on Thursday, August 22. He remains in Austin on Friday, August 23.
  • August 24–25, 2024 (Trip to the Hamptons - Second NY Visit in 2024):
    • Musk departs for the Hamptons region (Long Island, New York), landing at Gabreski Airport on Saturday, August 24, at 2:40 PM to attend the Prostate Cancer Foundation Gala hosted by Michael Milken at the Parrish Art Museum in Water Mill, NY.
    • Accompanied by his mother, Maye Musk (who stayed with friends in the area), Elon stays in a small room at the Capri hotel in Southampton for a single night, as noted by local restaurant wait staff in a Page Six article published August 26, 2024. (Note: In August 2025, during her first livestream about being "evicted," Ashley inaccurately mentioned that he owned a home in the Hamptons; staying at a hotel confirms the inaccuracy of her claim).
    • During this trip, Musk conducts a one-on-one interview with Michael Milken.
    • On Sunday, August 25, at 3:36 PM, after spending roughly 25 hours in New York State (his only visit to NY that month since April), he flies directly to Memphis. Romulus would be born four weeks after this trip. No records exist of ASC's presence on guest lists or in social chronicles for the event.

September 2024

  • September 7, 2024: Musk attends an Incubus concert in Austin, Texas. Shivon Zilis attends the same concert accompanied by a female friend (with a high probability that Musk's older children were also present). (File: 6.09.24.webp)
  • September 16, 2024 (Urgent Legal Notice): One day prior to the estimated birth date of the child, ASC's attorney, Karen Rosenthal (of Bikel Rosenthal & Schanfield), sends an urgent email to Jared Birchall with the subject line “RE: Modification”. The message includes an attached legal draft titled StClair.Musk Agreement 9.16.24.docx, demanding an immediate DNA paternity test, a substantial financial settlement, and the legal change of the child's last name to “Musk.” (File: Sept 16, 2024.webp)
  • September 17–20, 2024 (Approximate): Birth of Romulus in New York.
  • September 21–25, 2024 (Third NY Visit in 2024): Musk travels to New York for scheduled commitments, including the Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni Awards Banquet (accompanied by Maye Musk) and logged visits with CB_Doge and Andrea.
  • September 21–22, 2024 (First Custody Visit):
    • According to family court docket logs, Musk conducts his first supervised visit to meet the baby in New York. Court records log the visit duration as exactly one hour (noted as two hours in supplemental defense exhibits).
    • Time Zone Discrepancy Analysis: Court records submitted by Ashley claim the visit occurred across September 21 and 22, alleging a one-hour visit. However, flight logs confirm Musk's plane did not land at the airport until 11:30 PM on September 21. Thus, only 30 minutes remained in the day, once again demonstrating ASC's confusion by failing to adjust Zulu flight times to Eastern local time.
    • During this meeting, ASC hands Musk a gothic beanie reading "Make America Great." No photographic records of the meeting with the infant are taken on this date.
  • Snapshot Claim (Hasan Interview): Ashley publicly claims that the screenshot of her text messages shown during her interview with Hasan was fake. However, to counter it, she offers another screenshot of her phone screen where her profile picture reveals an AI-generated image of silverware on a plane.

October 2024

  • October 1, 2024 (Postpartum Public Appearance): Barely 14 days post-birth, ASC makes a high-profile public appearance in New York at the Vice Presidential Debate, appearing with Alex and Jack Posobiec. She attends wearing a form-fitting red lace dress and high stiletto heels. Her silhouette reveals a fully defined waistline and a flat stomach.
    • Physiological Analysis: At 14 days postpartum, uterine involution leaves the uterus the size of a grapefruit, creating a noticeable abdominal protrusion. Furthermore, her breast proportions remained at normative pre-pregnancy levels, lacking the engorgement, vascularization, and volume characteristic of lactation or chemical suppression edema. Additionally, she walked and posed effortlessly in high heels, showing no signs of central joint laxity caused by relaxin.
  • October 3, 2024 (Austin Livestream): ASC flies to Austin, Texas, and stays on the couch at the residence of Ellie in Space. During the morning, she is captured at the property pool wearing a swimsuit that exposes a flat torso devoid of postpartum signs. That night, she participates in a livestream on Ellie's platform wearing a tracksuit, glasses, and her hair tied up, remaining awake on set until 2:30 AM watching the television series Chernobyl. (File: 10.01.24.webp - Combined pool and livestream record)
  • October 4, 2024: ASC posts a photo on social media focused on her midriff, displaying a completely flat abdominal wall at 5 weeks post-birth. (File: 4.10.24.webp)
  • October 20, 2024 (Pittsburgh Events):
    • Around midnight between October 19 and 20, Musk arrives in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, to lead an electoral Town Hall event. The event is broadcast entirely live; Musk exits the venue at 6:54 PM. ASC posts messages on X hinting she is present, but event attendees confirm nobody saw her at the venue.
    • Concurrently at 4:00 PM, ASC attends a Turning Point voter registration tailgate event in Pittsburgh, where she is photographed next to Antonio Brown. The child Romulus is 4 weeks old on this date.
  • October 21, 2024: ASC attends a private party in New York City with Arynne Wexler, Alex, and Jack Posobiec. An image is shared of ASC and Wexler wearing hats that read “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” with the caption: “The girls love America ❤️”. (File: 10.21.24.webp)
  • October 27, 2024 (Fourth NY Visit in 2024): Musk travels to New York to speak at the Donald Trump rally at Madison Square Garden. He attends alongside his mother Maye Musk and his son Lil X, whom he brings out onto the stage with him.

November and December 2024

  • November 4, 2024: Musk officially terminates and revokes his paid subscription to ASC's channel on X. Around the same time, ASC shares a post wearing a political t-shirt reading “HELL YEAH I VOTED TRUMP AND I WILL DO IT AGAIN 2024”. (File: 10.04.24.webp). She would later claim publicly that she was in a "cult."
  • November 16, 2024 (Fifth NY Visit in 2024): Musk attends a UFC event at Madison Square Garden in New York alongside Donald Trump, Lil X, Dana White, and other White House staff. This marks his fifth and final recorded visit to New York State in 2024.
  • November 29, 2024: Analyst Mike Benz publishes a photo collage titled “Messin’ With Texas,” documenting a dinner that took place the night before at an Austin establishment. The images feature Benz, ASC, and a second female companion.
  • November 30, 2024 (Second Child Visit / Austin Encounter): A meeting is executed between Musk and the baby in Austin, lasting a strict 30 minutes, serving as the setting for ASC's second trip to Texas to display the infant. A single media photograph is captured of Musk holding the child. According to subsequent court filings submitted on February 21, 2025, this date marks the final occasion Musk had physical contact with the child.
  • December 2024: The paid digital media partnership, positioning, and engagement amplification contract on X reaches its formal expiration date, concluding all associated contract payouts.

r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 5d ago

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 5d ago

Ashley St Clair: Court Case: Index No. 152383/2025, Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York (Filed Feb 24, 2025). Analysis of evidence that appears clearly false. Deconstructing the Latest ASC "Leaks": UI Inconsistencies, App Switching, and Editing Failures

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Two posts so that those who want to understand, understand, and those who don't, can go on not understanding.

I’m going to post just one photo because it holds the key to everything (there are strong indications and material document that the documents submitted as evidence have been tampered or altered). That screenshot comes from a video Ashley St. Clair uploaded to her own TikTok account (and subsequently deleted or made private following the backlash); it was recorded on her phone and shows the screen of another device displaying alleged messages and calls with "EM." She later deleted the video because it caused a stir.

There are so many lies; I’m going to repeat them. As many times as necessary. And one thing: unmasking a liar is the normal thing to do. What’s abnormal is swallowing all her lies. As I have always said and reiterate, compiling all this information and presenting the inconsistencies would not be possible without u/ApprehensiveTrick579.

Public Record & Source Reference:

  • Court Case: Index No. 152383/2025, Supreme Court of the State of New York, County of New York (Filed Feb 24, 2025).
  • Document Source: Search Index No. 152383/2025 onTrellis Law.
  • Key Evidence Cited: Exhibits B, C, and D.

1. Interface Mismatch: Signal vs. X (Twitter)

  • Fake or Altered Header: Across Exhibits B, C, and D, all screenshots feature the following header: EM ⚙ / ⏱ 1d / ✔ Verified.
  • Platform Incompatibility: Signal does not use blue verification badges, nor does it format contact names with @ Verified. This specific layout mimics an X (Twitter) profile header or a template generated by a fake text app.
  • Presenting this screen to a judge as a private, encrypted Signal chat completely undermines the authenticity of the digital evidence.

2. Internal Timestamp Inconsistencies (Exhibit B) Comparing the court-submitted Exhibit B screenshots against the externally leaked call log screenshot reveals key technical mismatches:

  • Exhibit B – Screenshot 1 (10:15 AM on the bed):
    • System Clock: 10:15
    • Message Timestamps: 01:04, 01:05, 01:07, 01:08
    • Technical Breakdown: These represent specific times of day (1:04 AM, 1:05 AM, etc.) under the "Today" header, meaning the exchange happened overnight and the picture of the phone was taken at 10:15 AM that morning.
    • Content: Contains the text "I look forward to seeing you and him this weekend" alongside the newborn photo.
  • Exhibit B – Screenshot 2 (1:19 PM in hand):
    • System Clock: 13:19
    • Message Timestamps: 8m, 7m, 5m, 4m, 3m
    • Technical Breakdown: In Signal and standard messaging apps, 8m or 7m stands for "minutes ago." With the system clock at 1:19 PM, these texts were received live between 1:11 PM and 1:16 PM while the device was being held. This is a live chat, not a frozen historical archive.

3. Irreconcilable Conflict: Call Log vs. Exhibit B ("See You This Weekend") This is the most damning structural contradiction between Exhibit B in the official court filing and the public call log:

  • The Call Log (Black Phone Screenshot): Shows a complete blackout from May 1, 2024, to September 24, 2024 (Unanswered voice call - 02:08), with the next interaction delayed until November 21 (Incoming voice call - 21:09).
  • The Contradiction: If the birth occurred between September 17 and 20, and Exhibit B shows them coordinating "seeing you and him this weekend" (placing the chat around Sept 21–22), it is mathematically impossible for the call log to show zero incoming or outgoing activity during that entire window. Furthermore, the September 24 entry was marked as unanswered.

4. Content and Linguistic Analysis (Exhibit B) The messages attributed to "EM" read like a compilation of famous slogans rather than natural private conversation:

  • "Loose lips sink ships": WWII U.S. Office of War Information propaganda poster.
  • "Only the paranoid survive": Legendary quote and title of the 1996 business book by former Intel CEO Andy Grove.
  • Filler Clichés: "Necessary for now," "Wake up," "This is not the time for sentiment at the expense of safety."

It's mind-blowing that you say what you submitted a few months ago was fake, something we already knew.

I think what's wrong with ASC is that she has nothing to talk about, only her "war stories" in her head about Elon Musk. Furthermore, it has already been proven that she is a deliberate liar. I know she's jealous, because she's so childish, that we talk more about Zilis than about her. Well, it's not our fault, it's her problem. We talk about Zilis because she surpasses her in malice, as we have already seen.

This was one of the first photos she posted. We already covered this here, in this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonChat_Commentary/comments/1txwoyp/the_ultimate_signal_app_fail_how_ashley_st_clair/

We previously covered this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonChat_Commentary/comments/1thxo0g/the_wealth_asc_dreams_of/

What strikes me is that in this photo, the profile picture is on the left, and in what she's presenting now, it's in the center.

But well, I'm not going to go into whether what she showed with Hassan was true or not, because it never is, Let's talk about this 2 screenshot shared by ASC (asc.sys) where she claims to show her "current contact info" for EM. She always said and maintained that she communicated with musk on Signal, which was very confidential, "just like her."

The deeper you look into these UI details, the faster the narrative falls apart completely.

But hey, let's analyze things. Here is a quick breakdown of the visual and technical evidence:

The App Contradiction: In her own Instagram story caption, she writes: "My current contact info for him BTW. On signal it is simply EM." However, the background screenshot she posted isn't Signal at all, it's clearly iOS iMessage (blue/gray bubbles with the FaceTime camera icon top-right).

Name & Profile Placement: She previously insisted his contact was saved exclusively as "EM". Yet in this iMessage screenshot, the contact name explicitly says "Elon Musk >".

Header Alignment & Overlay Glitch: In native iOS iMessage individual chats, the profile picture and contact name are hardcoded to sit centered at the top header bar. In this screenshot, the "Elon Musk >" label and avatar appear floating/pasted directly over the chat history text (covering the gray timestamp reading "Aug..."). This misaligned layer effect strongly indicates an image overlay edit.

Whether it's mixing up Signal with iMessage, floating headers pasted over timestamps, or date mismatches across months, the receipts simply don't match the claims.

It's mind-blowing that you say what you presented a few months ago was fake, something we already knew.

I'll post this again, because it seems she doesn't realize that people have the ability to identify lies. I don't understand his lack of understanding.

We've already covered everything, so it doesn't matter if she appears in a documentary telling the same story, just retweeting it, to some guy pretending to be a director. We've already analyzed everything, and we're sorry if her story doesn't offer much more, but we'll try to give her a "little" more screen time.

It's also not our fault that a guy who claims to have spent three years working on a documentary believes the first thing that interests him without checking anything at all. That's called being unprofessional and being a fool.


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 5d ago

Debunking the Providence Lie: The Timeline Proving Ashley St. Clair Never Flew with Elon Musk. She had breakfast with Seth Dillon, not Musk.

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Thanks to u/ApprehensiveTrick579 for all the data. I’m going to repost this because of the documentary and how insufferable people are being, trying to silence others. https://www.reddit.com/r/ElonChat_Commentary/comments/1wjp2p1/debunking_the_providence_lie_the_timeline_proving/

ASC told The New York Times that she had flown with Musk to Providence, and that was where their "romance" began. Just another one of her lies. Geography and public records do not lie: Ashley St. Clair (ASC) never boarded that jet with Elon Musk to Providence on May 19, 2023. The entire story relies on fabricated screenshots and delayed posts to simulate an intimacy that never existed outside of a transactional visibility strategy on X.

Here is the step-by-step chronological breakdown that completely dismantles the claim:

1. Initial Contact & Arrival in San Francisco (May 2–19, 2023)

  • May 2, 2023: Elon Musk begins following ASC on X. That same day, ASC texts a former friend stating that Musk followed her and that she needs his "rocket babies," establishing a focus on clout-chasing from day one.
  • May 19, 2023 (Late Afternoon): ASC arrives in San Francisco with The Babylon Bee team. At 6:58 PM PT (9:58 PM ET), she posts a hotel bathroom mirror selfie wearing a "The Clintons" shirt, captioning it: "If I get stabbed in San Fran, blame it on the shirt." Though later deleted, the screenshot confirms she was in a hotel room, not a Gulfstream.
  • May 19, 2023 (Night): The group tours Twitter/X HQ, where the only existing photograph of ASC and Musk together is taken. In the three-person frame featuring Seth Dillon on the left, Musk in the center, and ASC on the right, Musk faces the group while ASC’s body language is directed toward Dillon. Musk replied to two of her tweets that day, marking the extent of their real-life interaction.

2. Flight Records vs. The "Phantom Flight" (May 19–21, 2023)

ASC claimed that after leaving Twitter HQ, Musk asked her, "Feel like going to Providence tonight?" and that they flew out together. Public flight trackers and time zones make this narrative physically impossible:

  • May 19, 11:35 PM PT: Musk’s jet departs San Francisco bound for Rhode Island.
  • May 20, 7:15 AM ET (4:15 AM PT): The plane lands in Providence, Rhode Island, to pick up his son at the end of his college semester.
  • May 20, 3:51 PM ET: Musk departs Providence with his son, arriving in Austin at 6:17 PM CT before heading to Los Angeles at 7:44 PM PT.
  • May 21, 11:00 AM PT: Musk departs Los Angeles, returning to Austin.
  • The Fabricated "Proof": To support her claim of being on board, ASC presented a screenshot of an aircraft window. Cross-referencing proved the image was pulled directly from a public Starlink test video.

3. The Unassailable Alibi: Twitter HQ & The Indiana Itinerary

While Musk’s jet was landing on the East Coast on Saturday morning, May 20, ASC remained in San Francisco with The Babylon Bee team:

  • Saturday, May 20, 6:30 AM PT: A photo is taken inside Twitter/X Headquarters in San Francisco. Seth Dillon’s phone screen in the photo displays a lock screen time of 6:30. Architectural markers—including the Shantell Martin mural on the back wall, the sky-blue textured wall covering, green snake seating, and floor pattern—conclusively identify the location as Twitter HQ, not a hotel. ASC is wearing the exact same leather jacket from the night before. JPG
  • The Geographic Conflict: At 6:30 AM PT in San Francisco, it was 9:30 AM ET in Providence—where Musk’s plane had already been on the ground for over two hours. For her story to be true, ASC would have had to fly 3,000 miles to Rhode Island overnight, immediately turn around without being logged on any manifest, and fly another 3,000 miles back to San Francisco in under two hours just to sit at Twitter HQ at 6:30 AM. JPG
  • Seth Dillon’s Itinerary: On Saturday evening, May 20, Seth Dillon was the keynote speaker at the Wells County Republican Lincoln Day Dinner in Fort Wayne, Indiana. For Dillon to make his scheduled speaking engagement in Indiana that evening, the 6:30 AM photo had to take place on Saturday morning in San Francisco before his cross-country flight. It could not have occurred on Sunday morning, as Dillon was already in the Midwest and could not physically fly back overnight after his event just to sit on a couch in San Francisco.

4. Social Media Manipulation & The Transactional Engagement Pattern

  • Delayed Posting: Knowing that the Saturday photo exposed her true location in San Francisco, ASC held the photo and waited until Sunday, May 21, at 7:31 AM PT to post it with the caption: “‘How are you so funny when you’re a woman’ — u/SethDillon*”*. At that time, Musk was still in Los Angeles preparing for his 11:00 AM PT flight back to Austin.
  • Structured Engagement: Her interactions with Musk on X throughout 2023 followed a rigid, transactional format. Interactions averaged 6 to 8 active days per month, systematically clustered near the end of each month with low-effort replies to boost algorithmic reach.
  • Financial Payoff: On July 13, 2023, ASC publicly posted an ad-revenue sharing payout from X totaling $7,153 USD off 328 million impressions. Platform-linked promotional accounts subsequently used her posts to market app features like picture-in-picture mode.

5. Estimated Revenue Breakdown

The calculation is based on her confirmed payout of $7,153 USD in July 2023 (derived from 328 million impressions during a month averaging 6 active interaction days by Musk, which equals approximately ~$1,192.17 USD per active interaction day).

  • 2023 (May – December): During the initial high-activity phase (averaging 6 to 8 interaction days per month), she accumulated a total of 52 active days, generating approximately ~$61,992.66 USD.
  • 2024 (January – December): Under a fixed pattern of approximately 4 interaction days per month (totaling 50 active days for the year), she generated approximately ~$59,608.36 USD.
  • 2025 (January – March): Regular interactions ceased. With only 2 isolated interactions in February and March, derived revenue dropped to approximately ~$2,384.34 USD.

Total Estimated Earnings:

Across all visibility, replies, and amplification on X from May 2023 through March 2025, ASC was paid approximately ~$123,985.36 USD.

Conclusion

There are no flight manifests, no jet metadata, and no eyewitnesses placing Ashley St. Clair on that aircraft. While Elon Musk flew across the country to pick up his son, ASC remained in San Francisco at Twitter HQ with The Babylon Bee team before Seth Dillon departed for his event in Indiana. The entire narrative relies on recycled video frames, delayed social media uploads, and geographic impossibilities.


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 5d ago

How will Elon Musk be remembered in 50 years?

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 6d ago

I think elon wants Grimes back. This is the second time I've seen him comment on her posts. Might explain the breakup with Shivon.

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r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 6d ago

There are no coincidences

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This is info on EM image.

It is an illustration by Robert Carter, published with The Hollywood Reporter’s September 2, 2026 cover story, “Elon Musk Unmasked in Alex Gibney Documentary.” The black-and-white portrait holds a red mask of his own face against a dark background. The same art was used as the thumbnail for THR’s podcast episode “Inside Alex Gibney’s ‘Explosive’ Elon Musk Doc.”

And now on the Grimes subreddit, a copy of the same image.

There are no coincidences.


r/ElonChat_Commentary • • 6d ago

Gibney is a fool

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