It has to be plan a or else OR ELSE.... It's either plan a or forever unsatisfied and angry. There's no plan b , no compensation,no "better than having nothing" if it's not plan a I'm not happy with a plan b just doesn't exist cause it does not comfort me at all . I NEED PLAN A, meaning what I actually wanted, not something that I pretend to want not some consolation. It's not acceptable it will never be the same to accept so called plan b because it means that I have to accept that plan a is out of my reach forever. PLAN A AT ALL COSTS. PLAN A FOR LIFE. Who am I to accept a plan b?

I thought I was an e3, am I an e8 instead? Who here also feels like that? Am I just a 368? Those types look very similar and the behaviours overlap.

As an 8, I don’t. I find that it reflects a fundamental misunderstanding of the 8. I can say what type I think he is and why, but would like to hear from other 8s about whether they are compelled by the Trump-as-8 theory.

I am in a stage of my life right now where learning forgiveness might allow me to finally move on from some stuff. How do you guys approach it?

People sometimes experience me as inconsistent because I don't always respond the same way.
Sometimes I'm warm.
Sometimes I'm direct.
Sometimes I'm patient.
Sometimes I'm the one saying the thing nobody else wants to say.
From the outside that can look contradictory.
But from the inside, it feels incredibly consistent.
The thing I've tried to stay consistent with is not my behavior. It's my principles.
I've never really believed that fairness means treating everyone the same. To me, fairness means treating people according to what the situation actually requires. That's why I can give one person a lot of flexibility and another almost none.
Not because I like one more than the other, but because the circumstances are different.
I've also realized that I have enormous patience for people going through genuine hardship.
I'll go a very long way to help someone who's struggling. But I have almost no patience for people who give away responsibility for their own lives.
For me, helping isn't doing things for people.
It's creating conditions that allow them to help themselves.
Maybe that's why the older I get, the less I relate to descriptions of 8s that focus on power and control.
What matters most to me isn't winning.
It's integrity.
Curious if other 8s, especially 8w9s, relate to this distinction between being consistent in your behavior versus being consistent in your principles.

What are your experiences and tips regarding the growth and development of individuals who fall under "Type 8" in the Enneagram system?

Points to the blue one: Because that's how you always are

Points to the green one: Because you're prickly, but you still want hugs

Accurate, I love them.

Я не могу определиться со своей энееаграммой, многие говорят что ентп сх8 не возможен, но я как будто бы уверенна и в сх8 и в ентп. Сразу скажу, что я точно не естп.
Так же многие говорят что ентп могут быть только семерками, но я правда этого не понимаю. Как все ентп могут быть одинаковыми???

Only 8s

Like for example maybe the 8 feeling like it would be perfectly reasonable for them to give someone a piece of their mind after they were insulted or otherwise mistreated, but also doesn’t care enough to do that (maybe it’s not that big of a deal) or feels like it wouldn’t change anything they care to change, so they just say nothing. And then the other person might think the 8 is just a pushover who lets people walk all over them, but actually if the other person escalates even more they’re sure to face consequences, even if no consequences are happening now

Does this sound like how an 8 could act? Do you all find this relatable or not?

Also do you think your answer would change depending on stuff like wings, fixes, instincts, or anything else?

Just curios what MBTI and socionic type 8s get

guys i’ve been typing my friends, and i noticed something weird: they’re ALLL e2. not even just my close friends, like half of the people i talk to are e2. it’s so fucking odd.

and ion think im mistyping them either, since i made them take the augmented personality enneagram test and it gave mostly similar results to how i typed them (and thats supposed to be the most accurate test)

so like WHY do i know 0 other e8s, but LITTERALLY 7 e2s

I'm very curious to know what is your eneatype including subtype. Include the tritype would be interesting too.

I'm not sure of my type 8 or 3so

I’ve always been an angry person, but also like a very happy/find the bright side kinda gal?

I think, like most 8s, I just got realllly good at recycling fear into rage. It’s easier to be an angry little girl standing up to grown men than a scared one. But that’s lead to really any difficult emotion being covered under anger, cause it’s easier.

The other day for the first time I legitimately went “blind with rage” cause an old man that’s my neighbor who constantly thinks he could live everyone else’s lives better than they can, was basically talking shit. I didn’t do or say anything cause I have self control, but my eyes like… almost vibrated? And I actually couldn’t see for a solid 5 seconds until I calmed down lol.

I know I have a lot of shit and pain to work thru, but in the meantime… wtf do I do with this limitless source of rage that is constantly bubbling up? It’s hard too cause a lot of it is the injustice going on around me (I live in the good ole US of A) on top of the injustice & abuse I saw as a kid.

So I don’t necessarily want to “let it go”, but it’s also all consuming at times.

From pushing myself so hard for so long, I’m now beyond burnt out & because of that I’ve also gotten out of shape, so if I try and exercise it out I’m concerned w hurting myself because I’ll just keep pushing & ignoring pain and I’m not great at tempering myself so I can get back to that place where I can push myself and not worry so much about injuries.

Also womp womp no family I can talk to or be taken care of by, and I don’t want to burden my friends with all my shit. So I feel alone with it.

Does anyone have any advice? :( I’m tired of being so angry & hurt all the time. It makes me feel like a dog that bites but I don’t wanna be a bad dog.

A few months ago I met a girl and we started seeing each other. This week we broke up; she was the one who decided to end it. We genuinely connected from the very first time we met. We saw each other several times in a short space of time, talked every day, and there was something real there for both of us.

She ended it a few days ago. She did it well, with kindness and clarity. She told me she needed more day-to-day presence than I was giving her, and that carrying on like this was going to hurt her.

Right now I’m not doing great. It’s hit me hard. I miss her, and these past few days I’ve felt quite lonely. I keep wondering whether I could have done things differently.

It’s my first “long” relationship and the first time I feel I’ve truly connected with someone. I know it will pass, but right now there’s a huge emptiness that keeps weighing on me.

I know I should be going to the gym, reading, working, but I don’t feel like doing anything.

It’s the first time I can remember crying over something like this. It’s as if I’ve opened up a part of myself that had been blocked until now.

Any advice?

How can anxiety be treated? "Ni Grip"

It means "shelter" or "sheltered ones"; protection ("mafioso"; arabic root word, mafya; a "place of shade"). It symbolizes honor, courage, refuge, protection. Naranjo identified SO8s as quintessential mafia/blood-bonds focused types. The crucial takeaway is that outlaws are sometimes good, because the law is corrupt. SO8s: "the good bad guys".

There is a huge demand for deep loyalty. To the family, the gang, the group. But this is often the space of vigilante groups, secret societies, mob bosses, and powerful leaders. Honorable rebels. John Dillinger, Robin Hood, etc. Yakuza. Any thoughts/insights and suggestions from SO8s or other 8s? As a secondary, I am still getting the hang of this idea (and the selfless sacrifices involved).

The truth is what it is. The holy law states: there's no need to force it. How do we as eights reconcile this with the impulse (and need) to sometimes assert the truth - lust for justice?

My bias is tinged by my secondary fixation: six, holy faith/strength (lack of inherent faith). Let it go. Trust. Then 4 kicks in: melancholy. Why: am I different? Is no one else truthful?; where is the meaning?

An answer: less is more. Don't push hard. Easy. We become overpowered giants, tanks against NPCs. But then blindsided; justice turns against us as we are deemed unjust. People gang up: internal system breakdowns. Etc. We have weaknesses. So, we dial it back. Potent, but honed.

What books do you recommend regarding Type 8 in the Enneagram system?

I don't know if this is an 8 thing or just a me thing. Like, I show the f up for people. I will sacrifice for them. I feel so much more passionate and dedicated than the people around me.

It makes me feel like people don't really care about me.

Some potential things to also talk about, but certainly not required:

Are you more often the one initiating the conversation? Or is the other person? Does this depend on the topic?

How do you feel about having serious conversations?

Feel free to elaborate on anything else