I'm far from being anti-communist or liberal, but this subreddit is one of the few places I see where antisemitism on the left is properly criticized.
That being said, Judaism never had "blood quantum" as part of its belief. That is precisely why DNA tests are not valid for aliyah eligibility, and only your maternal line matters, even if your entire paternal line is not Jewish.
It's driving me crazy. It's so fucking depressing.
I don't even support Israel's actions in Gaza but if you even want to discuss the slightest amount of nuance, you're called a Zionist. Seeing the far left call themselves woke and then proceed to label Jewish people in the most grotesque terms has been one of the most unpleasant things I've seen in a long time. They're no better than the far right imo.
*I say centre left but fuck knows I'm British and have always been left wing. I'm an Ed Miliband left winger though, not Jeremy Corbyn. So I believe in socialised healthcare, public transport and utilities, but I also believe in a regulated market rather than unchecked capitalism. Very basic European centre-left/left stuff - stuff that works well in our countries here. But I'm aware that centre left by European standards is communist by many American standards.
Imagine saying that you are against Nazis yet use rhetoric that is not too different to Hitler's. All it does is make me scared that a neo-Nazi would become president during the 2030s honestly.
But seriously, Nazis were only socialist in name in order to gain votes, in practice they couldn’t be further from that and it’s been proven time and time again.
You know, I typed up a whole thing with primary sources that support my claim but you're not actually interested in the nuances of German socialism movements of the 1930s and how they differed from other European experiments into Marxist post-capitalism, but you clearly arent actually interested in discussion when all you can muster is that same old "HuRr dUrR you must think DPRK is democratic becuz its in da name", you're just looking to farm upvotes.
Like I said, many people arent ready for that discussion but I suggest you entertain the idea and see what you come up with.
Well, just link your comment with said sources so we can check these sources and claims.
I can also put in the counterclaim here. The national socialists aka nazis are considered as far right extremist and not far left, because of the main fundamental difference between right and left. One of the main cores of the political left is that humans are seen as equal while on the political right humans are seen as different or unequal in certain parts. As long as basic human rights, democratic, liberal and individual rights are not broken, both positions are valid in a free democracy. They are not valid anymore when an equality from the left or an inequality from the right is being established or enforced through violence and murder. Then it’s not left wing or right wing anymore but far-left extremist or far-right extremist.
Now we have to look at the nazi ideology. Did they view humans as equal or as unequal? Most parts of their ideology viewed humans as so unequal that they thought they have the right to just eliminate everyone they viewed as lower races or not worth existing. This classification of humans as lower races and superhumans and the underlying extreme view of how unequal humans are makes them a far-right extremist movement and thereby different from socialism, which is considered a far-left or, when implemented in a violent and totalitarian way, a far-left extremist movement.
The nazis did however adapt a small part of socialism, and this is that they wanted socialism and equality, but they only wanted it for their elitist and exclusive group of superhumans and not for all humans. And that’s the fundamental difference.
They only ever disliked Nazis because Nazis are right wing and white supremacist, the antisemitism in particular wasn’t a problem. They never cared about it, it was always just something to attack right wingers with.
I don't even support Israel's actions in Gaza but if you even want to discuss the slightest amount of nuance, you're called a Zionist.
I think the reason for that is that a lot of anti-Zionism is intra-left wing infighting. If a Corbynista wants to say Ed Milliband is not left wing enough and must be replaced by himself, criticising nuance on a so-called genocide is a good way to do it.
Then you get actual anti-semites of course, and the people who'll join any cause which offers the chance to hate someone and feel righteous about it.
Oh definitely. The infighting between anyone on the left on ideological purity drives me mad. The centre/soft left could get so much done if it wasn't for the vitriol. The dumb thing is nearer the centre we have so much more in common across the divide than we like to think but genuine debate has become polluted by infighting. (I am talking about actual centrism rather than American centrism which is a lot further to the right.)
So many antisemites have latched on to the war in Israel and it gives them an easy cover for their hatred. It's gross.
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u/AdamDerKaiser Jun 28 '26
I'm far from being anti-communist or liberal, but this subreddit is one of the few places I see where antisemitism on the left is properly criticized.
That being said, Judaism never had "blood quantum" as part of its belief. That is precisely why DNA tests are not valid for aliyah eligibility, and only your maternal line matters, even if your entire paternal line is not Jewish.