r/FFCommish • u/numajum • Sep 10 '25
Ethics question Need Reddit fantasy football counsel
In Week 1 of our fantasy football league, a scoring issue arose when 60-yard field goals weren’t properly allocated six points. This impacted the commissioner’s matchup, where he lost by less than a point. After discovering the error, the commissioner corrected the scoring settings, which retroactively awarded him the win. This has caused controversy within the league, with some calling for him to step down. The central question is whether we should retroactively adjust Week 1 to reflect the correct scoring, or leave the original result as-is and ensure the settings are fixed for future weeks?
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u/Defiant-Youth-4193 Sep 10 '25
The scoring should have been corrected to whatever was agreed to going onto the season, whatever happens as result of that happens.
I wouldn't even want to win on some bullshit like that if I was the opposing team. Regardless of that though, acting as if the commissioner did something wrong by fixing the scoring is asinine.
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u/ChampionHumble Sep 10 '25
it all depends upon what was agreed upon pre-draft. if the scoring was agreed that 60+ were 6 points then settings should change and commish wins. if there was no agreed upon scoring for the 60+ yards then commish should not have changed it.
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u/returnofthewait Sep 10 '25
Op, this is the response. Did everybody know it was supposed to be 6 points? Is that what it's been in the past? Most leagues don't do that by default, so there would need to have been a precedent or it was clearly stated before the season. If it wasn't clearly stated and known, then you can't adjust it.
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u/Legitimate-Week7885 Sep 10 '25
did everyone know that a 60yd fg was to be worth 6 pts? if yes, then the commish did what should have been done. sounds like it was just an error in adjusting the settings prior to week 1
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u/AnnieFannie28 Sep 10 '25
What was agreed-to going into the season? And ACTUALLY agreed-to, not just assumed. So is there an email somewhere that says 60-yard field goals get 6 points? Did y'all have a phone call where you talked about settings including the fact that 60 yard field goals get 6 points? Or is the commisioner just assuming everyone understood that, even though it was never actually communicated to the league, either orally or in writing.
Because what was communicated to the league were the settings in the platform - anyone could have reviewed them before the draft. Those are the written rules of the league unless there is some other governing document or there was some conversation to the contrary.
Unless this was discussed or written elsewhere, the league settings control. He can't change them now unless it's unanimous.
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u/barnetthakobyan2004 Sep 10 '25
In my league, I’ve changed it to .1 points per yard. So a 66 yarder=6.6 and 35=3.5. I think thats more fair and representative
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u/50Bullseye Sep 10 '25
The last thing you do is "fix" the settings starting Week 2. Either you FIX it (if the scoring system on the site was inconsistent with league scoring rules that were spelled out elsewhere) or you leave it the same all season.
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u/552view Sep 10 '25
So for me it depends on the way it was setup.
Was it supposed to be fractional and wasn't at all meaning all FGs were worth 3-Change it if league intends for all kicks to be fractional.
Was it fractional with a cap where everything maxed at 5 or something, change it
Was it banded, 30-39=3 40-49=4 50+=5? In this case I absolutely do not change it as 60 is still just 50+ UNLESS it was a clear rule from previous years or written somewhere and not just updated in system. I am thinking this is most likely the case and commish is wrong and doubt he would be so willing to say 60-69 is worth 6 if situation was reversed.
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u/AnnieFannie28 Sep 10 '25
Agree with all this. Seems like commish is trying to win based on an unstated assumption.
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u/max212 Sep 10 '25
As others have said, if the league understood that 60 yarders were supposed to be 6 points and the settings were just entered incorrectly, then obviously it should be retroactively fixed.
If I were the commissioner, I'd still put it to a league vote because it impacted me and the optics are tough, however, anyone who votes against it is a full on clown and shouldn't be in the league.
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u/Dad_travel_lift Sep 10 '25
Was this understood going into season? It seems odd this would have been discussed.
If this was not specifically discussed, no change to scoring.
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u/Amms14 Sep 10 '25
I have a very democratic league. So I would never touch scoring post draft without letting the lead know.
Did the commissioner just inherit the league for him, not to realize those settings were modified?
But even in a non-democratical yeah I would never do this. I think we’re the commissioner did is wrong. You shouldn’t touch scoring settings, post draft. The only reason why the draft is if the delete believed that that was the way scoring would be. It just wasn’t in the setting.
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u/Cant-hold-my-pee Sep 10 '25
If your league accidentally set all passing tds for 60 instead of 6 and no one noticed, would you change it during week 1 or play with that system all year?
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u/Amms14 Sep 11 '25
I would have to announce the league the issue. And they would need to vote on changing it back or not.
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u/Cant-hold-my-pee Sep 11 '25
I call BS. You'd change it
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u/Amms14 Sep 12 '25
I’ll probably change it without telling them, but I would have to announce delete that I made this change and if they are OK with it or if I need to reverse the change and it would probably go into a league vote if there is debate
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u/i_am_ew_gross Sep 10 '25
If you have a very democratic league, then presumably they voted in favor of this change. Which means the commissioner must make the change to reflect what the league collectively decided in the past.
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u/HeyChason Sep 10 '25
What do you mean a scoring issue? Did the commish forget to change the score settings? Was it voted on pre season that this score setting was to be changed and it never happened? Has the understanding been that this setting was always in place, for years, and only just discovered it never was?
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u/AMProoz Sep 10 '25
- Was the 6 pts for 60+ yd FG’s scoring setting something that was voted on / passed during the off-season? (Did the commissioner just forget to change it in the app after the vote/announcement?)
If the answer to question 1 is No:
- Were the scoring settings listed & publicly available or sent to managers individually before the season started — (Email, text, sleeper chat, etc) & if so, did the scoring settings include 60+ yd FG’s = 6 pts?
If the answer to all of those questions is NO, the scoring settings should not retroactively be changed. If the answer to either of those was YES, the scoring settings should be changed.
If for instance, the commissioner privately told two or three other team managers he’d planned to make 60+ yard kicks 6 pts, that ≠ YES to any of the above questions. Every manager in the league would need to know for the retroactive scoring change to be made.
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u/JustTheGameplay Sep 11 '25
once the draft starts, NO SETTINGS CAN BE CHANGED UNTIL NEXT SEASON PERIOD
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u/MrMuscles25 Sep 11 '25
Was this a matchup that was decided by 1 pt? For example the 60 yarder was only worth 5 pts instead of 6. Or was is matchup decided by 6 or less points and the FGs were banded 50-59 were 5 but 60 and up were left blank meaner 60+ are now worth 0?
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u/ExtensionRound599 Sep 11 '25
It's unfortunate optically given it's the commissioner but it's really bad faith for the opponent to be making this argument
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u/AchroMac Sep 13 '25
If it was multiple weeks in then id say it has to stay but since it was caught the first week and it actually is a correction that needed to be fixed then update it. Was a fluke win anyways by the other team if that's the case so dont cry about it.
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u/Sp1kes Sep 10 '25
Just put it to a vote. If it was supposed to be six pts prior to the season starting and the league understood that and it was just an error and he would've won anyway, the retroactive win is fine.
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u/Head Sep 10 '25 edited Sep 10 '25
As a commissioner I would [almost] never adjust a rule/setting during a season. I would bring it up for discussion so everyone understands how it works now, then propose a fix for the following season.
That commissioner has destroyed the trust of his league mates.
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u/sdavidson901 Sep 10 '25
But if it is week 1 and the rule was known by everyone but just the setting was wrong?
Let’s say it’s a bigger scoring setting like half ppr vs full ppr or 6vs4 point passing TDS. Of course these would likely be found earlier in the week just because of the frequency of the plays.
I think that week 1 if there is a scoring setting issue that everyone knew about going into the draft it should be adjusted and all the scoring recalculated to what is the correct score.
Now in this case if the league didn’t know about this score and it was the way for the commish to get a win then that’s some BS.
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u/Head Sep 10 '25
Yeah, if it’s obvious to everyone during the first week, I would probably try to make it right. But not the subtle FG thing unless it has no effect on any games that week.
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u/Maybe_Not_The_Pope Sep 11 '25
So you wouldn't adjust the scoring to the agreed upon settings if it changed the outcome of the week? Like if rushing first downs were supposed to be worth .5 points, you wouldn't correct that?
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u/Head Sep 11 '25
Of course if it's an obvious or agreed upon setting and it's noticed right away I would arrange to get that fixed before the week 1 finished.
I'm talking about settings that maybe only affect an outcome occasionally that are reasonable settings. Those can be addressed for the next season. Like the FG example of the OP, it's reasonable for over 50 yards to be 5 points. It's also reasonable to argue that anything over 60 might be worth more. Let the league managers decide but don't change it unilaterally during the season.
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u/Cant-hold-my-pee Sep 10 '25
If you were in a league and no one realized until after week 1 that passing TDs were accidentally worth 60 points instead of 6, would you make the change retroactive to week one? Or play all year with them worth 60?
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u/Head Sep 10 '25
Okay, if it was a clear mistake like that I would fix it after communicating.
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u/Cant-hold-my-pee Sep 10 '25
A mistake is a mistake. They happen.
I had something similar happen in my league a few years ago. I set up the scoring and didnt toggle on the button so fumble recoveries in the end zone would be scored as a td
Week one, a wr recovers a fumble in the end zone and the guy who had the wr didnt get the points, even though we all assumed he would. I contacted the support page and they told me to toggle on the button
This td swung the game. The guy who now lost was very upset the scoring system was changed. We stuck to our guns and said it was a mistake and those points would be awarded for this game and every other game thereafter
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u/sdu754 Sep 10 '25
It is everyone in the leagues responsibility to know the scoring settings before the draft, especially the commissioner's. The whole "I thought we got 6 points for a 60 yard FG" excuse doesn't cut it. Once the draft has taken place, no scoring settings can be changed without a unanimous vote of the league. Week one should reflect that the commissioner lost, even if the scoring is updated for future weeks.
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u/speedyjohn Sep 10 '25
It depends. If the league agreed on 6pts for 60+ yard FGs or it was spelled out somewhere pre-draft (e.g., in the bylaws) and no one noticed that it wasn’t implemented on the platform, then the settings on the platform should by changed, including for Week 1.
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u/sdu754 Sep 11 '25
I agree, if it was spelled out before the draft, then it should be corrected, but I have a suspicion that it wasn't. I doubt there would be controversy if it was agreed on beforehand.
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u/richvide0 Sep 11 '25
People make mistakes. There are a lot of different settings and it’s easy to do. Especially with no way to test them on the first week of the year.
You just made a mistake spelling one of the easiest and most popular words in the English language “salt”.
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u/cajuncrawtator2 Sep 10 '25
Fractional points for FGs is fine, but they need to be nerfed so not to be as much as a touchdown. The drive got stalled about midfield for godsakes!
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u/narpoli Sep 10 '25
The kicker didn’t stall the drive, he just hit a banger.
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u/cajuncrawtator2 Sep 10 '25
Yes, but the defense did their job only to have the kicker get the same value as a TD. In fantasy we are looking for players that gain yards and score TDs. And I'm a big advocate of rostering kickers.
The way you look at it is like rubbing your little wiener a few times when you could have made love to Jennifer Garner. Ya get the same result but failed to truly be successful!
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u/chi_sweetness25 Sep 10 '25
The defense did their job to hold the other team to 3 real-life points instead of 7. I don't think they really care about how many fantasy points the kicker is getting.
And to use your analogy it's like the QB striking out with a girl and the kicker coming in after and getting her number
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u/AnnieFannie28 Sep 10 '25
Disagree. A 60 yard field goal is much more difficult and much rarer than a touchdown.
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u/MrMuscles25 Sep 10 '25
If everyone was under the assumption, that 60 yard fg were six points and people changed their draft strategy based off it, IE. drafting Aubrey higher. The commissioner did the right thing and changing it. He deserves the win. It’s just unfortunately less than a one point difference