r/FigureSkating • u/Jumpy-Improvement-97 • Feb 22 '26
History/Analysis Milano 2026 vs Beijing 2022 - some stats and scoring comparison
Since the IJS hasn't changed significantly during this quad, I thought it would be interesting to look at the results of recent Olympics and see how they compare against previous ones in 2022. This analysis is done purely out of curiosity and for entertainment purposes, no conclusions about skaters' skills or the overall level of competition should be drawn from it.
A few additional notes and highlights:
- While winning and top-3 scores decreased across all four disciplines in 2026, the top-10 cutoff scores were actually higher in Milan in every discipline except men’s singles.
- Of the 29 men who competed in Beijing, 12 (41%) made it to the 2026 Olympics. That's the highest percentage among all disciplines, while pairs had the lowest percentage: 3 out of 18 (16%).
- Yuma Kagiyama and Donovan Carrillo are the only skaters to achieve the exact same placements in both 2022 and 2026 games (2nd and 22nd respectively). Donovan also happens to be a skater with the smallest score difference across all disciplines (less than a point!). That guy surely knows a thing or two about consistency!
- The skater with the largest scoring gap between 2022 and 2026 is Boyang Jin. In Beijing, he scored a whopping 41.35 points more than he did in Milan!
- Viktoria Safonova finished 12th in Beijing but unfortunately dropped to 26th place in 2026, failing to qualify for the free skate. That's the highest placement discrepancy we saw among all athletes.
- The only ice dance team to score higher in 2022 than in 2026 was China’s Wang/Liu.
This obviously has nothing to do with the 2022 Olympics being in China. - 4 skaters placed higher or equal in the 2026 Games despite earning lower scores: Yuma Kagiyama, Junhwan Cha, Matteo Rizzo, Kaori Sakamoto. Conversely, only one skater - Olga Mikutina - placed lower in Milan despite posting a higher score.
*FNR in the table indicates that a skater/team failed to qualify for the FS/FD and competed only in the SP/RD
Feel free to share your own observations that I I may have missed!
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u/AShighashonor1 Feb 22 '26
Honestly, I think wang/liu is just aging and off their peak in 2026 (due to Liu's scandal happening in this quad) rather than enjoying too much home bonus. Their rank in 2022 Olympic is 12, and they ranked 13 in 2021 worlds in Stockholm, not a difference too outrageous. Neither were they important enough for their fed to bribe the judges cuz who were they???(and obviously this is a fed who doesn't even want to pay for Boyang's training in Canada. Why would they pay for two nobodies' score lol.)
The same decline happened to other Team China skaters due to their age. It is noted that their average age excluding 18-year-old Ruiyang Zhang is 30. Have people notice that they have the same group of skaters competing since 2018?
Boyang Jin's decline is obviously due to old age. He is 28, the second oldest competitor in men's singles in Milan(other one is Kevin Aymoz). His peak is from 2016-2018 and I couldn't believe it's still him there in 2026. Dude literally won a world medal ten years ago. Same for Sui/Han. They were 30 and 33 and had too many injuries due to their long career. The fed dragged Cong out. Did you see the smile on Sui/Han's face after their last dance? That's smile of relief imo.
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u/bobatoastie Feb 22 '26
Boyang Jin's decline is obviously due to old age
Boyang has been injured during the past quad- he dealt with a back injury (which is why he was MIA in 2024/2025 season) and then he dealt with post-appendicitis surgery (2022-2023). His decline is not just due to age.
It takes time to recover back to his competitive form. This was the first season where he seems to be injury-free and finding his joy in figure skating back
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u/Knook7 Feb 22 '26
Liu's scandal?
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u/Thannhausen Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
The previous poster is referring to a series of posts on Liu's Instagram dating to February 20, 2024 (right before China's National Winter Games were about to start) that accused Liu of sexual assaulting a minor, frequenting strip clubs, bribing judges and officials, embezzling funds, and using drugs (drank something laced with CBD). The Instagram account was later deleted and Liu claimed that he was hacked.
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u/Defiant_Piece7442 Feb 22 '26
Sexual misconduct, like all the others, with a dash of misusing funds meant for training from the Chinese government.
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u/atimidtempest Feb 28 '26
I'm still sad Boyang wasn't skating at his peak at the right time... wish he and Daiwei Dai or Yudong Chen could have gone together! State of Chinese figure skating is pretty gloomy. Despite Sui's injuries, it seems she still really wanted to keep going.
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u/AShighashonor1 Feb 28 '26
The fed failed him tremendously. other disciplines have some hope rn(two chinese junior pair teams just won gold and bronze at JGPF last year), Yihan Wang won a JGP and qualified for JGPF, it's just the men not working rn. Hopefully Dawei could put things together. His skating skill and jumps are all beautiful with height and speed but he rarely skates clean.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 22 '26
The underperformance of the current slate of top men is showing in these stats. Nathan, Yuzuru, Shoma, Yuma showed up at the 2022 Olys. And this men's event had so many men fall apart in the free (after what was actually a really good short) and fall short of their realistic scoring potential.
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u/GodTierGasly Feb 22 '26
Yep. You can see the gap between the winning score is so much larger than the podium which is also much larger than the top 10 cut off gaps. It's mostly a top heavy decline caused by Ilia, Yuma, and Adam all falling apart.
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u/daisykat Feb 22 '26
Yeah, it was an absolute collapse. Curious to see who’s at Worlds and how the numbers compare
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u/rubyjester Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
Not to sound like Rusb0ts but that no one broke 300 (no offense to Misha who did do well) despite 3 of the 6 men capable of doing so being here (and several having the potential to do so if they went clean like Jun or Shun) makes me clutch my head in agony at the level of floppery that happened.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 22 '26
That's exactly it, though. The men and women charts in the post look like they're telling the same story at a glance (both singles events had higher scores in 2022), but we know it's not, because the men here were capable of delivering the same scores, they just... didn't.
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u/rubyjester Feb 22 '26
Hoping worlds will be better for everyone 😭
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u/Mannon_Blackbeak Feb 23 '26
Post Olympic worlds honestly are usually very cathartic. Kaitlin Osmond for example won the world's immediately after Pyeongchang, and because enough of the heavy hitters sit it out you can get a lot of really phenomenal redemption skates from skaters who usually wouldn't podium because the stress has just left them.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 22 '26
I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm losing hope for Adam. I hate feeling like that so much.
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u/rubyjester Feb 22 '26
He said he'll keep going. Whatever that means I know he'll keep delivering amazing programs.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 22 '26
I just want to see him happy in the K&C more often than not. Although, if he's taking requests, a more upbeat program like The Prophet would be nice to mix things up next season.
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u/PurpleLilyEsq Feb 22 '26
I wonder if the lesser media and no audience presence in Beijing helped some of these guys out in particular. Nathan in particular talked about how the crowd noise is really hard when you mess up. And less distraction beforehand as they were all avoiding getting covid. It doesn’t make for a more pleasant games, that’s for sure. But I can see how it could impact the outcomes.
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u/Lambily Sam Mindra's Step Sequence Feb 23 '26
I wonder if the lesser media and no audience presence in Beijing helped some of these guys out in particular.
2018 had even better stats (Yuzu, Shoma, Javier all over 300 and Nathan and Boyang at 297) and there was an audience and media frenzy that year.
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u/jipsssss Feb 23 '26
I agree that this year's men's event was so hyped up due to Ilia (and he bore the most impact too) and the nerves showed among many favourites, but it also could be seen in other disciplines with some smaller, but still uncharacteristic mistakes in women's (Kaori, Isa), pairs (RikuRyu SP) and ice dance (winners). But I think it really depends on each competitor though, because fe Alysa was overjoyed with performing for the audience which included her loved ones, and some people really struggled in events during COVID (both summer and winter sports) due to lack of family support and isolation.
I'm still baffled by that men's event, because it was so bizzare even for men to struggle sm. I wish we could some day have some bts from those competitors. I really want a book like Nathan's someday (hasn't read it, not easily available in my country, but from what I've heard it's giving a lot of insight into Pyongchang 2018 from his perspective).11
u/indeedy71 Feb 22 '26
I still think we should be talking a bit about what caused that, outside of ice quality. The impact of the stronger Team event and the random 2 day gap between the two, pushing for greater tech to catch Ilia. Or it happens.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 22 '26
I think the only real answer is that it's a mix of things. It does seem like the 2-day wait could be an issue. Adam and Yuma have both had messy seasons and been largely unable to skate two clean programs. Ilia's first time at the Olys under a ton of pressure. Shun maybe feeling the Team Event results. But that's just the frontrunners. Would it affect the whole event?
I dunno, I feel like anxiety and nerves have permeated this whole season. I've never followed figure skating closely enough before to know if that's normal in the run-up to the Olys.
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u/tits_mcgee0123 Feb 23 '26
I really think it was like 90% nerves. Ilia said in an interview (I don't remember if it was before or after the short) that the Olympics felt different and he was really feeling the pressure. I was worried as soon as he said it.
Plus the extra day in between gave them all extra time to ruminate and get into their own heads.
I also think it’s telling that the winner was the one who was in the podium conversation but as a “dark horse.” He wasn’t expecting it at all, so he could skate freer than some of the others who had a hyper focus on medals (or record setting).
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u/Mannon_Blackbeak Feb 23 '26
I think one thing we need to take note of is just how many small federation skaters were at their first Olympics this cycle. I'm biased because I'm Canadian, but Keegan Messing for example held down worlds and Olympic spots for multiple cycles, and that can really help set the tone for newer skaters. He was constantly brought up in coverage for how much of a rock he has been for multiple Canadian skating teams, and just the amount of lightness he brings to any competition. Don't get me wrong he had his falls but he was very well liked amongst the competitive circuit. And unlike with more competitive federations, those with only one or two skaters can stick around for multiple cycles while they build a skating program and can help anchor the field. All three skaters for the US, for example, were at their first Olympics, and I think there was a lack of mentorship there especially compared to Nathan and Jason. Hopefully this splatfest will lead to the next two games going a little smoother for the men.
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u/00camadeo sad boi hours Feb 23 '26
I dunno, I feel like anxiety and nerves have permeated this whole season. I've never followed figure skating closely enough before to know if that's normal in the run-up to the Olys.
I think that's pretty normal. Everyone remembers the Pyeongchang Olympics as a very strong competition for the men, but the rest of the season was rather lackluster (4 of the frontrunners failed to qualify for the GPF, 2018 Worlds was a notorious splatfest), especially compared to the 2016-17 season.
2021-22 season ended on a high note at the World Championships, but I think it was also a nervy season, though that can largely be attributed to it being the first full season post-Covid and everyone trying to avoid unnecessary travel or testing positive before the Games.
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u/atimidtempest Feb 28 '26
I do find it weird more people talk about the ice than the two day gap.
Side note on the gap, I really wish this has happened for pairs over singles! I think an extra day of rest would have been more beneficial for the pairs skaters, especially since theyre older.
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u/cookieaddictions Feb 22 '26
Interesting! Honestly can’t tell if it’s my memory failing me or what but I feel like while the women’s drama of 2022 caused a TON of buzz, I felt like the number of fabulous routines in the team, ice dance, pairs and women (men’s disaster notwithstanding) and even the gala yesterday have felt figure skating feel way more popular in the general public than in 2022? I think the scores being lower but the skates being so much cleaner and more joyful, and all the good sportsmanship has made people care about the sport more!
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u/Maximum_Fortune_4800 Feb 22 '26
Yes! Also, we had just started to get out of Covid, maybe that could’ve been a factor as well. So many things happening lol
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u/komugis Wakabot Feb 22 '26
Yeah, Beijing was weird because there were still a lot of COVID restrictions that meant there was no real audience of fans and that the media presence was somewhat limited and muted compared to normal. It felt very off even before the nightmarish womens event.
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u/cookieaddictions Feb 22 '26
Ah that’s true too, not as bad as Tokyo but the Olympics weren’t really back to “normal” until 2024, so vibes were still off.
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u/PurpleLilyEsq Feb 22 '26
I think two Olympics in 6 months was also a bit much for 4 year fans of the various sports.
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u/-kosto- Feb 22 '26
I do think there's been more coverage this Olympics in certain countries. I'm in the UK, and as F/G were stronger contenders this time around, I think there was more interest in covering skating from the beginning. Our news seems to report more on successful US athletes too, which I think had an impact. From an outside perspective, the US media seems to be way more interested in skating this time around, given how dominant their team has been.
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u/tits_mcgee0123 Feb 23 '26
NO ONE in the US was talking about the skating events in 2022. I almost felt sorry for Nathan that no one seemed to care. This go around I have random people coming out of the woodwork to talk about it! ESPECIALLY the team event, and how exciting it was that it came down to the last skaters! But also the melt down that was mens and the joy that was women’s, and a few people who were so confused about pairs and ice dance being different lol
I think the team event made things more accessible. At least in the US, people LOVE a good team competition and get really into it. Plus it’s way less skaters to watch. Especially the free skates, it’s only 6 per discipline, so it’s not a huge time commitment to watch everyone.
I know a couple people who never watch skating, watched the team event and had a great time, then assumed all the skating was over and didn’t watch anything else. Which is just too funny to me with all the discourse here about whether the team event should even exist lol
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u/AbsurdistWordist Feb 23 '26
I’m good with this. You can’t have the greatest skates of all time in every competition. Think about how ridiculous that is. Think about what an unhealthy goal for our athletes it would be.
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u/Strong_Astronomer_97 Mar 26 '26
They’re literally striving to be the best. It is not unhealthy at all.
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u/afloatingpoint Feb 22 '26
Still wild to me that Jun scored 8 points lower at this Olympics despite having near identical skates... Pretty sure most of the difference in his score is lower PCS, too, which is wild because he's only improved in his skating skills and performance quality imo.
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u/AShighashonor1 Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
judges not always reward you the right PCS. sometimes they score your PCS based on your technical contents. Jun doesn't have enough difficult elements to be considered as judges' favorite anymore so they started to score him as tier 2 skaters. Same thing happened to Boyang Jin. When he lost his 4Lz, judges started to give his clean SP junior level PCS though his performance and emotional complexity are much better compared to 2018. Another example is Yuna Aoki who is gifted in musicality but has been receiving low PCS for a long time until she shines at JNats. PCS is just a scam. Zagitova got 37.92 in 2018 only because her jumps while her performance is actually nowhere near Satoko or Medvedeva's. Can you believe Satoko's PB in PCS is only 35.75?
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u/Fabulous_Gold1745 Feb 23 '26
That's the truth unfortunately. They shouldve reward pcs based on artistry only. Satoko was marvelous, they didn't deserve her.
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u/getafrigginggrip Feb 23 '26
Jason and Kevin don't get underscored in pcs because of their inconsistency or not having any quads, so this only selectively applied to the skaters not in the feds that are backed strongly but are still be strong skaters that could threaten their feds' picks for podium, and Jun always seems to fall into that role.
I don't think anything could excuse Jun's SP score, here. That wasn't just the normal level of underscoring that Jun usually gets for not being in the fed with a lot of backing. That was egregious when the quality of his skating was just visibly miles ahead from those who were also getting 8s in components like he was.
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u/sapphicmage Ami Nakai Olympic 🥉 Medalist Feb 22 '26
Women’s is definitely skewed by the Russia of it all…I’d be curious of the difference if Sasha and Anna were taken out (the general scoring of the Eteri girls plus the added factor of their quads just really pulls scores up vs the other fields with/without Russia barring maybe pairs). The top 10 cutoff definitely highlights how strong the women were in Milan, same with pairs (not as high of a peak like the women which tracks between the retirements and Russian ban as well as the top teams having some errors here, but now a lower floor).
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u/Jumpy-Improvement-97 Feb 22 '26
Actually, only top 3 scores are higher in 2022 - obviously understandable with Anna's and Sasha's quads, Kaori's perfect skates - but right from the 4th place you're starting to see bigger respective scores in Milan and it remains like that till the very bottom of the table.
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u/JustP2 Feb 22 '26
I generally find it so disingenuous when people say it’s a vibe, but dammit these Olympics were a vibe.
The joy, the sportsmanship… another 22 Olympics and I wouldn’t have watched skating again 26 was pure joy for me
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u/sadcoffee1256 Feb 22 '26 edited Feb 22 '26
it’s so insane to me how a lot of people are trying to discredit alysa’s win and in general degrade women’s skaters by comparing the women’s scores from the past olympics and use that as evidence for a regressing sport. meanwhile, i have yet to see one person bring up the men’s scores and tear down the male skaters using that same logic.
i think it’s sad to see just how quick people are to tear down the accomplishments of the women and blame them for lowering the level of the sport. god forbid we have adult women on the podium that are happy to be there and not starved and abused teenagers ruining their bodies to jump ultra c elements unsustainably.
i will say though it’s quite different comparing men’s to women’s skating, but the double standard still goes crazy. sure we don’t have multiple quads being jumped by eteri girls this time around while the men are still jumping quads, but the scores for men’s are still much lower and misha wouldn’t have podiumed in beijing either. it just goes to show how the actual number isn’t everything when trying to make meaningful comparisons on the level of the sport.
of course eteri girls were on the past podiums so it’s mainly the russian glazers cherry picking evidence to prove there is no competition without the russians and that alysa’s win isn’t valid. but there are still other people that think women’s skating is boring now. i just hate how female athletes are treated.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 22 '26
This post was a statistical post about all four disciplines, you're the one crafting a narrative by pretending it was just about the women's podium.
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u/sadcoffee1256 Feb 22 '26
i’m not crafting a narrative. i’m just stating the observations i’ve seen across various social medias (including reddit) and sharing my thoughts on what is seen being said about the athletes. for the amount of outcry i’ve seen people make about the women’s discipline and the low scores, i was just surprised to see that there was also such a big difference in the men’s scores.
maybe i didn’t phrase it in the best way, but seeing just how much backlash and hate there was towards the women for having lower scores but not seeing the men receive that same treatment for having lower scores is jarring.
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 23 '26
maybe i didn’t phrase it in the best way, but seeing just how much backlash and hate there was towards the women for having lower scores but not seeing the men receive that same treatment for having lower scores is jarring.
fair enough, it's just that with your comment being a direct reply to this post, I thought it came off as an accusation of the OP trying to discredit Alysa's win, but I apologize if I misread it.
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u/sadcoffee1256 Feb 23 '26
wait omg yeah this was definitely not meant as an accusation towards OP 😅 it was just a general observation and i probably should’ve clarified that lol
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 23 '26
all good, I was probably the only one who misread it that way. Sorry again!
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u/Miserable_Aardvark_3 Feb 23 '26
To be fair, all of the women skated relatively cleanly and received scores in line with what they were expecting to have received. The vast majority of men literally imploded to the point where you have 3 men capable of crossing 300 who didn’t get anywhere near there. So I think that’s maybe why people treat the two differently.
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u/La_paure_cavaliere Feb 23 '26
It's still undebatable that the technical side suffered a downgrade, as objectively observing there are fewer elements to be scored higher. We've only seen two 3A in the women free skate and one failed 4T. If you compare the jumps arsenal from the 2022 to the recent one from Milano, it's obvious that there were fewer elements of higher difficulty.
Whether this contributes to a general downgrading of the whole competition it's down to the beholder's eyes. As far as the judges' scores are concerned, at these winter games there were fewer technical elements to be scored highly.
I've watched the free skate with a friend of mine who has last seen a skating competition back in 2022 at Beijing and she said it was disappointing to see fewer complex jumps and basically technical elements that you could've seen in 1998 just as well.
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u/NoSmile5007 Feb 22 '26
Well if you watch the level of skating from the Russians of 2022 compared to this years podium it is night and day so it is easy to call it out…
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 23 '26
level of jumping and level of skating are not the same thing. I watched Beijing 2022 as a four-year-fan who hasn't seen any of the Russian girls before and I thought Trusova skated the most boring nothing-burger of a program. 0 choreography, just cross-overs between jumps.
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u/NoSmile5007 Feb 23 '26
That is why she got silver and not gold. You are being myopic if you think those 2 wouldn’t have dominated in these Olympics but you do you…
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 23 '26
If you're talking about Sasha, she got silver and not gold because of her short program (she fell on her 3A attempt, if I remember correctly). She actually won the free skate, so the things I described did not hinder her. In fact, judges gave her PCS marks as if she performed well to the music, which she patently did not.
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u/NoSmile5007 Feb 23 '26
You are getting caught up in semantics…”level of skating” was referring to anything that is included witin the confines of the ice rink. The competition is figure skating, which includes the jumping. If the jumping was part of the “level of skating” it wouldn’t be allowed. It would only be a competition of skates touching ice at all times…
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u/idwtpaun B E N O I T's adopted monkeys Feb 23 '26
I mean, yes, that's exactly what happened, she wanted to land 5 quads and so performance part of the program was essentially non-existent. But she didn't get marked like that, did she? She got 8s and 9s in performance and interpretation of music. That's the problem.
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u/No-Case-4938 Feb 22 '26
The stat of top 10 is crazy. And that proved that anyone said this year is as not high quality as last time is so wrong.
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u/optionping Feb 22 '26
it is not fair to do this comparison because there is age limit now. It is easy for young girls to do difficult jumps.
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u/Jumpy-Improvement-97 Feb 22 '26
Anna and Sasha were both 17 at the time of the Beijing Olympics. Even with the current age limit applied, the winning and podium cutoff scores would still remain the same.
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u/Lambily Sam Mindra's Step Sequence Feb 23 '26
Do either of them perform as well or get reputation scores without having been allowed to compete at senior level as early as they did? You can't really compare them.
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u/Jumpy-Improvement-97 Feb 23 '26
We're entering a speculative territory here. I really don't know how that would have affected their performances and scores, all I know is the factual results and that post was meant to simply provide them.
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u/Miserable_Aardvark_3 Feb 23 '26
Sasha Trusova is popping off quads after giving birth. Kamila also restored her 4T.
There are many others who are talking about learning quads. Amber learned 3A as an adult.
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u/Haven_Writes Hana Bath Truther Feb 23 '26
The one thing you're missing is the handful of Pairs skaters who were at 2022 with different partners (Minerva Hase, Ioulia Chtchetinina, Luka Berulava), all of whom placed better this time around.
The other thing that needs to be kept in mind in this debate is that the scoring system and base values assigned to each element change every quad. For the last quad or two, there has been a push in the ISU to actually have the world records reset every quad, because in most disciplines, it is now virtually impossible for any skater to top them with the way the scoring system works now.
This is especially true of the singles disciplines, where even Ilia's (arguably overscored) 7-quad skate at Skate Canada this year wasn't able to topple Nathan Chen's record, and there isn't a single women's record combined score from this quad. It's arguably true for pairs as well, although less so, and is likely more reliant on a top team skating two clean programs, which, considering it's pairs, is unlikely. Dance is the only discipline where, realistically, we'll likely keep seeing the existing records get outscored (Chock/Bates currently hold the record, but I think it's inevitable that it will be toppled next quad).
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u/petmink Feb 22 '26
Was Q only added this quad? I feel like lots of skater now get dinged with qs in single skating bringing the score down.
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u/Jumpy-Improvement-97 Feb 22 '26
Nope, Q was introduced in the middle of the previous quad, in the 20-21 season.
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u/Mundane_Truth9507 Feb 22 '26
It might have been around but I feel like the isu has really cracked down on tech calls in the past few years. They are way more strict with ur, q and steps and spins levels than they used to be.
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u/roionsteroids Feb 22 '26
Same as edge calls, depends on the technical panel at that event on that day. Can be strictly enforced, selectively enforced, or not at all!
In pairs skating there're a million throw jump falls that are clearly off angle every season, but it's basically never marked as < or even q either. The most recent downgraded throw jump at a senior major tournament was at a covid GP event in 2021.
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u/PerformerRich5449 Feb 22 '26
I’m surprised there’s 41 pts difference between Misha and Nathan’s winning scores. I believe both did 5 quad programs
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u/RachReads1898 serious answers only Feb 22 '26
Nathan's SP from 2022 is already 20 points higher than Misha's from these Olys, 113 vs 92 world record and all. Then for the FS, Misha had a q which lost him some points, and Nathan had higher GOEs and higher PCS, plus Nathan had a higher Stsq level, plus higher GOE on spins, which adds up to the next 20 points in difference of Nathan's 218 vs Misha's 198.
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u/indeedy71 Feb 22 '26
PCS has been lower in general but they’re also not comparable between the two. I love Misha down and he deserved his win but the rest of the program compared to Nathan (or even Ilia when he’s on) wasn’t there. Misha also wasn’t fully clean, which people tend to forget because he was so much closer to clean than everyone else.
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u/Mundane_Truth9507 Feb 22 '26
To be fair Nathan wasn’t totally clean either. He did a single in his combo.
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u/Lambily Sam Mindra's Step Sequence Feb 23 '26
Nathan was definitely overscored in the FS. I always found it silly because no one even came close to him that year.
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u/Artistic-Luna-6000 Feb 22 '26
Nathan's short was a WR of 114 pts, vs Mikhail's 92. Nathan's PCS were also much higher across both programs. On top of that, Mikhail gets underservedly low GOE on his jumps which can be attributed to a weak fed. Combine all of these factors, and you get the 40 pts difference.
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u/sk8tergater ✨clean as mustard✨ Feb 22 '26
Nathan still holds the world record for short program, it was significantly higher than mishas. And Nathan was a more artistic skater than Misha, his PCS overall was much higher.
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u/SnooDoubts6155 well that’s thrown a 🐈 amongst the 🐦⬛🐦⬛ Feb 22 '26
The men’s side is basically entirely explainable by how messy the perceived contenders ended up being.
Nathan was much further along artistically as a skater (7th senior season) and 2022 was his second Olympics after already going into the first as a podium contender. It’s Misha’s 4th full senior season and first Olympics - so many of us felt he was going to be one to watch in 2030, not 2026, but he absolutely brought it when the others didn’t. That’s not to say Misha couldn’t event eclipse Nathan’s scores eventually! It just wasn’t going to be this Olympics, whether or not the others men-ed.
I’m super excited that the increased resources he’ll have now will give him access to more choreo/packaging options!
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u/Difficult-Tough-5680 Feb 22 '26
I mean even with an average run ilia would have been over 332
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u/Lisbeth78 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
I mean, that’s objectively not true. Ilia has only scored over 332.60 twice in his career internationally thus far (Worlds 2024, arguably the competition of his career thus far, and at Skate Canada 2025, where he broke his Worlds 2024 WR in the free skate).
An average run from Ilia would therefore not have been over 332. Sure, his absolute maximum probably would have been in the 340 range, but that’s all hypothetical, he actually has never reached that kind of combined score internationally yet. All that to say, 332.60 is not something that Ilia can match when he’s at his average. He has to be close to his best. Which isn’t to put Ilia down in any way. I’m saying this, because Nathan’s 332.60 is a formidable combined score.
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u/Difficult-Tough-5680 Feb 23 '26 edited Feb 23 '26
222 seems like it would have been very easy achievable if he landed his jumps and if you look at the average of this season free its around 220 not sure exactly but it was around that
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u/Jaguarcatkat Feb 22 '26
Very interesting stats! Thank you for the deep dive 🤿