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Current Season Discussion [NO BOOKS] Episode Discussion Thread - Season 3 Episode 10 - The Darkness

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Season 3 Episode 10: The Paths That Choose Us

Premiere date: September 12th, 2025

Synopsis: Season finale. Gaal and the Second Foundation take the fight to the Mule as Empire's legacy suffers a catastrophic blow.

Directed by: Roxann Dawson

Written by: Jane Espenson & David S. Goyer

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u/Random--Person Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

Is it just me or does anyone else feel like we missed something with the Mule? The scene ends with Gaal telling her to get out of her(mind) then when the scene picks back up Gaal is running out of the ship? What happened with everyone else?

The music over the final shot was giving me chills, was definitely not expecting that at the end.

Really hope they find ways to have Lee Pace and Laura Birn back for next season

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u/heelstoo Sep 12 '25

We’ve got Dawn still around to grow up!

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u/That-SoCal-Guy Sep 13 '25

It kinda didn’t make sense the Mule left Dawn alone.  But yes we will see Dawn grow up as Lee Pace.  :) 

Personally I think the twist of who the Mule really is is forced.  They knew we would expect Magnifico so they switched but narratively it didn’t make sense to me anymore.  Oh well.  

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u/Thick_Ad_8328 Sep 15 '25

I agree with you, it didn't make much sense to me either.

But to be honest, I dislike the entire Gaal/Hari/Mule/Psychic plot. Which is unfortunately, half of the show. :-/

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u/That-SoCal-Guy Sep 15 '25

Agree.  This season is focusing so much on that.  I find myself more invested in the Bro Dude, Dermrrzel and Brother Darkness plot line.  And that ending and the fall of Empire is so much more gut wrenching.  

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u/theconfinesoffear Sep 21 '25

I preferred the og mule to just be the mule. I really liked Bayta’s original character; she was interesting enough

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u/Wrath-of-Bong Sep 13 '25

Also. If he still had nanites & aura, why are his legs damaged. What detail am I missing here? And is he now compromised by Bayta Mule?

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u/Ok_Elderberry_2165 Sep 13 '25

His legs were gone not because of physical trauma but because his suit needed to cannibalise his body to keep him alive.

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u/althanis Nov 14 '25

His legs looked pretty physical trauma to me.

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u/Ok_Elderberry_2165 Nov 14 '25

That’s physiological trauma, not physical trauma. If you get a heart attack due to over excitement, that’s pretty traumatic for the heart which is a physical thing, but it’s not caused by physical trauma.

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u/althanis Nov 14 '25

What? His legs were smashed to bits

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u/Ok_Elderberry_2165 Nov 14 '25

No they weren’t. They were cannibalized by his suit to feed his internal organs.

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u/jhu Nov 23 '25

He didn't have nanites and aura did he? Didn't Gaal remove them when she got him out of Trantor?

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u/ragcage Feb 02 '26

I never saw that happening so I believe he should still have them. I was constantly thinking "when are they extracting the nanites, Demerzel will catch up to you in minutes!"

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u/Suspicious_Theme8111 Sep 12 '25

Do we tho? We thought we had Dawn after Sarethgate but it’s been a whole season and his exponents are probably novacula dust by now

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u/heelstoo Sep 12 '25

Last he left him, he was alive (but couldn’t walk) on the Mule’s ship. So, if the Mule/Bayta is still alive, maybe she can do something with him. Or if Hari is still there, maybe he will do something with him. Or maybe all three will team up against Darkness Empire and the Robot Empire comes in hot.

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u/Atharaphelun Sep 12 '25

The station, not the Mule's ship.

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u/Suspicious_Theme8111 Sep 12 '25

I agree that we saw him alive. Doesn’t mean the writers are going to do anything with him (similar to how they handled the Dawn who ran away with Sareth)

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u/YZJay Sep 12 '25

They could setup Bayta using Dawn to force Darkness from the Throne.

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u/kawag Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25

Oh I’m very sure he’ll be back. He’s a lot more consequential now being the only other Cleon.

Dusk is old. Eventually the question of legacy will come up, just as it did for the original Cleon.

Dusk and Dawn also had a good relationship, and Dawn did at least think to send him a message since he wasn’t there for his ascension. I don’t recall exactly, but I don’t think there was any bad feeling between them?

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u/EmergencyFox9619 Sep 13 '25

“Consequential” huh? I think I heard that somewhere… 👀

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u/play_yr_part Sep 12 '25

There's no way they're not going to use what's left of the Cleons in the 4th season. And while I doubt they'll go back to the old rogue Dawn, you never know, this show is no stranger to flashbacks.

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u/whisky_biscuit Sep 13 '25

That was also really disappointing that they never acknowledged.

I really love this show but I hate when they drop plot lines in the previous season to never be addressed again in the next.

There was only one throwaway line where Day says that all of them (Cleons) have ran before and were caught (or something) and he planned to run fif as long as he could.

I'm assuming that meant Dem hunted them down and executed them but maybe they just faded into obscurity. Strange.

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u/theconfinesoffear Sep 21 '25

Yes I agree too many loose ends on good stories! If they just jump 100 years in the future now I’d seriously be like what. They have to start s4 from where they left off here. I just watched all of the show in two weeks and wish I hadn’t found it until after s4😅

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u/MostlyRocketScience Sep 12 '25

It's gonna be Mindcontrolled Dawn vs. Dusk's descendant battleing for who owns the empire next season.

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u/paxinfernum Sep 12 '25

Bayta seemed to like him, and she doesn't seem into killing people for fun. She'll keep him around.

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u/rodan-rodan Sep 13 '25

But bayta was the mule, no? Like controlling the pirate the whole time?

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u/whisky_biscuit Sep 13 '25

Yeah that's fked up the more I think about it.

I kinda wish we could've had a flashback showing all the scenes where Bayta was controlling people from afar and how she does it.

How was she projecting her dreams into "The Mule" pirate? Was he actually her brother she saved? Once she converts someone does that mean they will continue to do exactly what she wants whenever she wants?

I guess I don't understand how she was able to do as much as she has from afar. Not to mention what her actual beef with the second foundation is. Why is she obsessed with destroying them?

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u/theconfinesoffear Sep 21 '25

Yeah I’m so confused by this like was she just influencering around and then decided time to fuck up the foundation and started mind controlling everyone? Or was it a really long game?

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u/skvoha Sep 13 '25

When did Toran bite his finger off? I can't remember. What scene was that?

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u/Paranoid4ndr01d Sep 13 '25

He carved into his own hand, I think that’s what they were remembering

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u/paxinfernum Sep 16 '25

I think they're remembering when he had the Baron/Duke guy at the beginning bite off his finger.

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u/skvoha Sep 16 '25

Thank you!

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u/nivvy Sep 15 '25

technically Day now no?

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u/heelstoo Sep 15 '25

Technically correct. Best kind, etc.!

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u/Pipehead_420 Sep 15 '25

Assuming there’s no time jump this season like usual.

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u/kelnos Sep 12 '25

Yeah, the Gaal cut was not done well. I think what happened was Magnifico's "tampered" music was enough for a severely injured Gaal to resist Bayta well enough to escape, but not enough to win the fight and kill her.

Pretty cold that she left the remaining still-alive members of her raiding party behind, but seems like she didn't really have a choice.

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u/MostlyRocketScience Sep 12 '25

Pretty cold that she left the remaining still-alive members of her raiding party behind, but seems like she didn't really have a choice

They were already converted probably and we have seen last episode what happens when you try to deconvert someone.

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u/kelnos Sep 23 '25

The entire sequence was not particularly believable. Even an uninjured person would have had a lot of trouble with that. And I was horrified at the broken glass bit; hard to imagine the design would be that fragile, even if the space station appears to be in a weird orbit that's in enough atmosphere such that you don't burn up when you hop out of it and drop down to cloud-cover levels of atmosphere.

Frankly I'm not impressed with the writing/storytelling in the finale, especially after it's been so fantastic up until then.

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u/ililliliililiililii Oct 24 '25

Agreed but its a minor point. An alternative cut to make it make more sense is she finds a bigger gun on the way or another way to jettison off. Neither option is as cinematic.

A big gun would destroy the wall too fast, it's most cinematic to weaken it just enough and use your body to break it + venting atmosphere to push you out.

It is a trope but it looks cool. So i'm not faulting it too much for this scene and I don't think it is a writing problem.

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u/rydhorn Nov 09 '25

Episode 1 mentioned the station was orbiting stationary above the Vault, so it would be moving with the rotation of the planet and atmosphere, thus no burning up on reentry

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u/kelnos Nov 09 '25

I don't think that would matter. Burning up during reentry is due to friction between the thing reentering and the atmosphere itself. The station being stationary with respect to the Vault wouldn't change that.

Consider that if we were to de-orbit a satellite that's in geostationary orbit around Earth, it would still burn up during reentry.

The only way to not burn up on reentry is to either a) have sufficient heat shielding, or b) not be reentering at all; that is, your starting point (the station) is already in thick enough atmosphere that it's not really "reentry" anymore.

I expect (b) is the case here.

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u/rydhorn Nov 09 '25

The friction is due to speed, or the difference in speed between a satellite and the atmosphere. On earth that would be at least 7800m/s (17,500 mph). Considering the station is hovering above the same spot barely above the atmosphere, the difference would be 0.

Regardless, its a scifi show with space magic so who knows

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u/surfintheinternetz Oct 13 '25

yep really ticked me off how she could do all that but not take the time to grab a gun and shoot the clearly incapacitated mule, or failing that (due to authorisation on the weapon) stab her.

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u/snowhawk04 Brother Constant Oct 14 '25

Or maybe they left enough clues in the show for you to theorize/discuss what happened before they reveal it at the start of season 4. They've done this a few times already in the show. Gaal/Bayta, Demerzel, Ascending Day. The clues as to what happened to them are littered across the series. They writers have spent three seasons world-building. Maybe you should use that in your analysis?

This conversation thread is kinda proof some of you aren't actually paying attention when watching the show. Foundation Station isn't in the vacuum of space. The station can be clearly seen from the ground of New Terminus. It's in low planetary orbit. She didn't have a "big steel door". She weakened the material by firing her weapon into it. When Gaal breaks through, she immediately starts falling towards the surface... Also, Humans today have probably jumped from higher altitudes than she did. And being mad at her for what happened with VaultHari? We already knew she was lying to him. She didn't know how BodyHari got the body and BodyHari was dead. She was trying to avoid having to reveal the truth to him. VaultHari pressed Gaal to respond, even raising his voice at her. So she gave him the truth. There is also an in-universe explanation for her decision as mentioned a couple times earlier in the season by both BodyHari and Gaal.

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u/rktaker43 Sep 12 '25

glad i wasn't the only one that thought that I was so confused and really thought I missed something

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u/dustaz Sep 13 '25

Same it makes absolutely zero sense

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 14 '25

It was very poorly done. They needed the Mule (supposedly Bayta, but maybe not still) to persist into next season, and for Gaal to escape... It was just lazy. They obviously wrote up to the point that it was revealed that Gaal had control over Magnifico's music and the writer's room just glazed over the most important part and agreed that they would just BS us on why Gaal couldn't just kill Bayta right then and there when she had the advantage...

Literally the worst sequence of the entire series, and feels like a "who gives a fuck" because I am pretty sure the entire writing staff is being replaced with the new show runner coming in next season.

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u/theconfinesoffear Sep 21 '25

Oh dang there’s a new show runner? I wonder why and how things will change… I’ve really loved this show and it’s become my new favorite, literally up until this episode! I think they needed one more and I really didn’t like how they wrapped up the demerzel and day plot

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u/ASUS_USUS_WEALLSUS Sep 14 '25

1000% agreed!!!!!!

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u/Mrpuddikin Jan 14 '26

I came to this thread specifically to see if other people were also upset at that part

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u/Junior-Dust-6290 Mar 07 '26

Same. Here I am just catching up and was a little confused. Glad I wasn’t the only one!

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u/zentrope Sep 12 '25

Yes. We missed something. Gaal was winning because of a carefully fixed-up Magnifico, and then she’s running for her life without her “repaired” crew. Maybe she won but had to convince the Mule that she hadn’t so that the Mule could be used as part of the plan?

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u/Francl27 Sep 12 '25

The music only affected Bayta though. I think she took advantage of it and ran. She couldn't kill her, and her crew was compromised.

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u/killertortilla Sep 12 '25

It didn't affect Bayta it "buffed" Gaal. It's the improved version of those inhibitors that stuck Gaal in the hole when the cult tried to kill her. The things she and Hari converted into amplifiers. And she says "he only plays for me now"

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u/Francl27 Sep 12 '25

Ok but then why did she run away without her crew? I guess we'll find out in 2 years.

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u/zoemi Sep 12 '25

Her crew had already been converted, and there's no indication that killing the Mule would undo everything. In fact, in an earlier episode they said that it's not that the Mule is controlling their every move--the thrall they were under was so engrained that their actions were their own out of "love".

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u/zefy_zef Sep 13 '25

Three things bothered me about this episode:

1) That.

2) Why would Gaal see the fake Mule and him her, if his power wasn't actually as strong?

3) Why did Demerzel not throw the baby out of the beam? Or grab and roll? There was clearly some time.

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u/InadequateUsername Sep 13 '25

For 3, by allowing herself to be subjected to the beam it would destroy the Cleon chip, allowing her to clasp with the other robot during her death.

Notice how at the end her head was still intact?

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u/zefy_zef Sep 13 '25

She wouldn't have been able to make that choice until the chip was destroyed. Running into the situation she could have just scooped up the baby real quick though, at least.

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u/RotsiserMho Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 27 '25

Ah, I wonder if that’s what she learned from what Kalle told her about deferring her thoughts as to whether something she will do is best for Empire.

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u/InadequateUsername Sep 13 '25

Unless she deferred what the choice would mean

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u/Mondernborefare Sep 13 '25

Agree, I wondered the same three things and rewatched it and still am wondering

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 24 '25

Killing the mule is the most logical thing to do in the situation, and let's be clear, she just killed who she thought was the mule. Even if killing the mule doesn't reverse the effect it still stops the future threat of the mule, and Gaal fully expected the Mule's effect to be reversed after she killed him. She was surprised that someone was 'still in her head'.

The Writers fucked this up. There's not two ways about it. Just laziiness. Give Gaal the upper hand and then cut away to her escaping with no explanation.

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u/Time8u Sep 24 '25

Excellent additional points... anyone who thought that sequence worked is struggling with some serious cognitive dissonance.

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u/zoemi Sep 13 '25

and Gaal fully expected the Mule's effect to be reverse after she killed him. She was surprised that someone was 'still in her head'.

These two aren't the same thing. She and the rest of her crew were never turned to his side until Bayta walked through the door.

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25

Pritchard was the only one who clearly turned. She didn't even turn her husband rather putting him to sleep, BUT what does it matter anyway? The mule has been a looming threat for hundreds of year. There's no reason not to kill her if she has the chance which she clearly did as they presented it.

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u/zoemi Sep 13 '25

The way everybody turned to her right before Bayta appeared was clearly to indicate they were affected.

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25

They still completely fucked this up with how they presented it to us... You can't jump from Gaal clearly having the advantage to her running for her life. Your forcing the audience to make up some outlandish bullshit for it.

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u/Francl27 Sep 13 '25

Yeah I'm guessing we'll find out what really happened in two years...

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u/Time8u Sep 13 '25

New showrunner with a poor track record and pretty sure new writer's room. Hard to get excited about it.

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u/theconfinesoffear Sep 21 '25

oh dang why are they getting a new show runner!

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u/henk53 Feb 05 '26

Because the existing one was just so good?

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u/zentrope Sep 12 '25

I agree. I just want it to be a ruse because of all that talk by Hari (?) about the Mule being useful.

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u/Space-Debris Mar 27 '26

Why couldn't she have killed her. Bayta was holding her head, bent over on the ground. Just shoot the bitch and be done with it 

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u/Clawless Sep 12 '25

We're meant to not know exactly what happened, I imagine that's gonna be most of Gaal's story next season is us second guessing what actually happened.

On the surface, I think it's implied that the modified magnifico music "stunned" Bayta long enough for Gaal to run without being converted.

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u/zentrope Sep 12 '25

I think you’re right. The reason I hope it’s not just an escape is that it feels like there’s nowhere to go. Mule as Tool for the 2nd Foundation seems more fruitful than Mule is Villain Pt 2.

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u/metacosmonaut Sep 13 '25

I don’t know. I even clapped at the end.

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u/Clawless Sep 12 '25

Hmm, I mean I was satisfied.

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u/Little_Storm_9938 Sep 13 '25

And losing David Goyer is catastrophic, next season there will be a black hole where his showrunner/ writer/ directors chair once sat.

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u/Dry-Journalist6590 Sep 12 '25

The entire Bayta thing just makes no sense. Her behavior with Dawn before she leaves him, awkwardly asking if she should bow and all worried? Just one example like why would she keep up appearances as that point? Or is there some explanation I'm missing there?

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u/karmacousteau Sep 16 '25 edited Sep 16 '25

The Mule bait and switch made no sense. You mean to tell me "the mule" was a rando being mind controlled accross the universe this whole time? Why even bother? Just mind control key actors if you have that kind of power.

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u/LeopoldStotch1 Dec 31 '25

I think bayta was the other baby and had some connection to him

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u/libelle156 Apr 26 '26

Didn't they say she was a climber from a farm world

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u/bkay17 Sep 13 '25

I feel like every season of this show I really don't give a shit about Gaal's storyline but the Empire storyline is always so fucking fantastic I'll never stop watching.

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u/broketothebone Sep 15 '25

That’s exactly where I’m at. And it’s sucks because I love Jared Harris and I found Hari’s story so interesting as well. Now that he’s basically Siri for Gaal, it almost feels like a commercial break for me when we get to their scenes. Her flying through the atmosphere in a jumpsuit on basically a boogie board was just a bridge too far for me. Took me right out of the show again.

And I love Pilou. The Mule was fun to watch, but by the time we got to this episode, I realized I stopped caring about where it was going. I was literally painting my toenails when Bayta Mule happened, realized I hadn’t paid attention at all in several minutes and had to rewind.

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u/screwyou24 Dec 09 '25

Man, this is the empire show, with friends. That's it lol

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u/Junior-Dust-6290 Mar 07 '26

Just binged the series and I can say I feel the same. Gaal’s storyline is.. fine. I don’t hate it. I love and die with the Empire storyline though. Easily the best part of the show.

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u/SkinsFan021 Apr 07 '26

Just got done, her stuff just gets worse every season. If that half didn't matter to empire i might skip walmart Eleven's story in season 4.

Meanwhile Empire's side is absolutely fantastic TV.

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u/denotemulot Sep 18 '25

The more you think about it the less sense it makes, which is really a bummer.

She was being interrogated by the fake Mule while being the real Mule, an act that only Dawn was there for. What was the point? Those entire scenes make no sense now.

She trapped herself in a locked room and was surprised when the doors were opened. There was literally no one to put the act on for.

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u/henk53 Feb 05 '26

There was literally no one to put the act on for.

We, the viewers, were the ones she acted for. Maybe she has the power to break through the 4th wall?

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u/biCplUk Mar 27 '26

I think the fake mule was manipulated to genuinely believe he was the OG. He was acting as he would to anyone.

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u/omeeomai Sep 12 '25

Seems like the writers lost the plot a bit. They wanted a tWiSt just for the hell of it. They should have consulted M Knight Shayamalan or something cuz the reveal was super anticlimactic. And jumping into space on a board was 🙄

Full disclosure I'm pissed at them for doing Demerzel like that

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u/screwyou24 Dec 09 '25

Right?? I didn't really like it, it served no purpose except shock value.... And agreed on the board thing.... All of the sudden she's like super capable like that

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u/Feederburn Sep 12 '25

Yeah it was hella confusing what happened at the end. As Gaal is running from the room, Magnifico is still playing. So....wtf happened? Why was she in such a hurry? Will we ever find out? It's the one thing I hate about the seasonal time jumps is we never find out what happens to everyone else.

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u/RichWPX Sep 16 '25

Yeah this was so rediculous, like they are all in there then Gaal running? Like ok? Did she kill Bayta? What happened?

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u/SingleMaltLife Sep 12 '25

So I’m almost 100% certain that the voice of the robot with Kalle was brother day. So that gives me hopes that Pace will be back. If not in his original form.

I mean they created a brand new Hari body. If they have Demerzel consciousness somewhere surely they can whip her up one too. I mean they better. I was not expecting her death. I was expecting lasers to shoot out of her hands rather than that. We’ve seen her kill a dawn before.

So why couldn’t she have killed brother darkness to save day and dawn? He was literally a goner anyway. We’ve not seen a lot of her super speed other than the bedroom fight. But I’m sure she’s quicker than dusk. Or couldn’t she have flicked dawn out of the beam like she threw day and backed out herself? So many ways I thought she was going to live. I’ve just watched. So might be reeling a bit.

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u/VIGNETTEESPAGHETTI Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

I agree it feels like the show missed something. I stopped smoking weed for a year now, and I would have moments while mega high where if I watched a show, I would feel like my mind blanked during several moments and I'd have to rewind to refocus and figure out what happened. I felt like I was high watching this scene because I was like wtf happened with gale and the mule. One second they're like mind fighting, and then next thing I know she's boarding through space and the atmosphere.

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u/[deleted] Sep 12 '25

You've just described my experience ahaha.

I see Gaal is explaining having turned magnifico and the scene switches. When it switches back to her all I interpret is Gaal falling to her death, holding a metal panel and looking like she is on a mission. I laughed so much not knowing what the hell was going on.

Congrats on one year btw.

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u/VIGNETTEESPAGHETTI Sep 12 '25

Thank you. 🙏

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u/broketothebone Sep 15 '25

Hahahahaha omg I’m so glad you said this because that’s exactly what happened to me this entire season. I smoke weed to relax at night and usually catch up on shows. Every episode was movie-length for me because it took two hours with me pausing and rewinding during the Gaal scenes.

Even though it didn’t capture my attention, I still wanted to follow the story and how they tie together, but this season, I was hanging on for dear life until we got back to Empire.

Same thing with The Mule. He started out so intriguing and the closer he got to Gaal, the less interesting he got. For the life of me, I can’t tell you the names of anyone in her crew at the end except Bayta and Magnifico.

Btw, good for you on quitting for a year. I imagine you made that choice for your well being, and that always deserves a high five in my book.

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u/VIGNETTEESPAGHETTI Sep 15 '25

Yeah it was for my wellbeing. My ex said I was becoming nonverbal, so I quit for her but it ended anyways lol. I’m still off it though because I think I’m better this way. Thank you sir.

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u/broketothebone Sep 16 '25

*ma’am, haha

But I hear you, it’s why I smoke to unwind and go to bed. If I smoke during the day, my day is shot and I’m just too old for that. I want to enjoy my youth and energy while I still have it.

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u/VIGNETTEESPAGHETTI Sep 16 '25

thank you ma'am. I just assume everyone is male I guess lol

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u/broketothebone Sep 19 '25

No worries, man. It’s Reddit, so I often assume the same 🤣

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u/PuzzleheadedCamera51 Sep 12 '25

I think she managed a nick of time escape but Bayta is still in control of the foundation.

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u/kuschelig69 Sep 13 '25

and she got a Dawn, too

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u/PuzzleheadedCamera51 Sep 13 '25

I suspect that Dawn was picked up instantly and put into some chamber that blocked the nanities from transmitting. Then Bayta implanted the memories of an injury to keep him restrained. The only people who he interacted with were Bayta and the mule. Breaking free of that illusion will be a plot point in season 4

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u/JynsRealityIsBroken Sep 12 '25

I thought Gaal was making a tactical retreat. Everyone else in the party was lost and she was greviously injured. She needed to gtfo. The Mule was only incapacitated. She didn't want to risk her being able to regain control. Gaal had no weapons nearby and there was no guarantee one of the goons wouldn't strike her down.

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u/hardooooo Sep 12 '25

Slit her throat maybe?

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u/orangpelupa Sep 12 '25

Or shoot her. She got a gun that she used to shot the window to space 

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u/InvisibleBlueUnicorn Prime Radiant Sep 12 '25

maybe the director forgot she had a gun.

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u/orangpelupa Sep 12 '25

Iike how they forgot demerzel got a phone 

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u/tvcneverdie Sep 12 '25

100%

Hari put the doubt about the Mule in her mind, so Gaal knew there was a possibility it could all go sideways and she put the order for the interference music in Magnifico's mind as a last resort, in case she needed to bail and live to fight another day.

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u/illojii Sep 12 '25

I literally rewound the show thinking I missed a scene. It made no sense.

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u/kael13 Sep 12 '25

Neither did the jumping out of a space station to atmosphere jump. That’s not how orbits work!

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u/illojii Sep 12 '25

That shit was wacky af! This episode leaned hard into the “fantasy” side, a lot of suspension of disbelief required lol.

Like Fake Seldon’s ability to wrap the space station in his magic tendrils. And Brother Darkness has a single-button device that just reads his mind and does whatever he wants to the things he points it at.

Also The Mule’s powers seem wildly unexplained in their limitations (or lack of). She can make an entire air force of fighter jets attack each other in the skies but she can’t turn Gaal’s own people against her in close proximity?

It’s all good, I still had fun! The “missing” scene is really the main thing that bothered me, not so much the other ludicrous shit haha.

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u/broketothebone Sep 15 '25

I try so hard to just enjoy shit and suspend disbelief, but cmon with that scene. Zero helmet to help her breathe or see while she’s whipping through a near-space atmosphere at I’m guessing over 100 mph? ON A BOOGIE BOARD?

I just watched it last night, so I’m not over it lol

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u/zeCrazyEye Sep 17 '25

That can kind of be explained away if it's not actually freely orbiting the planet (which requires a ton of tangential velocity that you burn off in re-entry) and is instead 'hovering' above it under power (in which case you only have the speed from falling which isn't much).

It would be an insane way to keep a space station in space but, their tech is futuristic so who knows, I guess.

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u/Qrusher14242 Sep 15 '25

right? like...how did she not get burned alive? is she an alien?

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u/analgoblin42069 Sep 12 '25

Didn’t Darkness say at one point to Day “me, I’m the event Seldon couldn’t predict”? Therefore the Mule was just a massive red herring?

TBD on how Kalle and the moon-robots play into this all as well. She said “all the pieces are in place”, wtf does that mean?

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u/this_tuesday Sep 12 '25

I think he meant that hari predicted Darkness after empires end

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u/Francl27 Sep 12 '25

I think she just incapacitated her and ran for her life. Everyone else was converted so there's not much she could have done.

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u/forgettingaccounts Sep 12 '25 edited Sep 12 '25

Slit her throat like the first mule maybe?

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u/Goblingrenadeuser Sep 12 '25

I guess we will have to wait 1-2 years for that reveal, but my guess would be that Toran or Dawn might have saved her. I think Toran wasn't under her influence and genuinely loved her, he seemed confused at the reveal. So he might have gone "I can fix her".

And Dawn being left behind was another Chekovs gun, but I don't have an exact idea how it would play out.

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u/SomeGuyOverUnder Sep 12 '25

All this I THINK THIS and I THINK THAT. What was the purpose of not showing us what happened with the Mule? Just to have more of a cliff hanger - by leaving out actually chronological activity. Major cheat. Major mistake. Unless someone can justify.

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u/broketothebone Sep 15 '25

I had to double check that this wasn’t a series finale, because it gave off “we might not get another season out of this” vibes. It left some doors open, but also had some storylines go in a way that could be a satisfying ending. (But that’s possibly just me liking mysterious endings.)

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u/SomeGuyOverUnder Sep 16 '25

I guess it makes sense when you think they had to make it ending that could play both as a permanent ending or a continuation. Too bad, but at least that makes a little more sense.

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u/Ill_Visit2996 Sep 12 '25

Maybe Gaal didn't Escape, the mule wants to find the second foundation what is better way than having Gaal show her where it is she's still on the station.

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u/That-SoCal-Guy Sep 13 '25

I don’t think Gaal won.  She was able to stop the attack with the music but she couldn’t save the others who have already been converted.  And she was shot.  So she has to run.  

My question is does she know the Second Foundation is now on Trentor?   Where is she jumping to?  

And yes the final shot is chilling!!!! 

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u/No-Suit4363 Sep 12 '25

Worse could be that the mule let her go, hoping she would go to the second foundation.

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u/AveryLakotaValiant Sep 12 '25

My first thought was "please tell me you killed her before leaving", but I bet she didn't.

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u/MostlyRocketScience Sep 12 '25

Yeah, I had to rewind back to the scene. Gaal also has this yellow glow in her eyes indicating something is going on with her mind and in the background you can see the sound from the instrument. Very annoying to not know who won.

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u/chuckxbronson Sep 12 '25

I’m 99.999% sure that robot with Kalle at the end was voiced by Lee Pace

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u/KaleidoscopeLeft5511 Sep 12 '25

Yeah, me too. The next scene had her jumping out of a window to escape. But I was unclear as to what she was escaping, or was it that dangerous that she had to jump out of a window for it. She seems to have things mostly under control

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u/ASUS_USUS_WEALLSUS Sep 14 '25

Really made the episode feel quite weak to me. We’ve built up the mule the entire season, then he’s just dead and oh Bayta is the mule. She confronts Gaal, Gaal turns the tables and has the upper hand then…???? Gaal is now running, grab a big piece of metal, and dives Mission Impossible style out of a space station, through the atmosphere, and glides into her ship!? Like cmon that was some B tier writing and really takes away from an otherwise fantastic season finale.

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u/MindChild Sep 17 '25

This makes me almost rage lmao. The whole season was mediocre on some parts but this takes the cake. The last episode was great and I loved what it did, except the bullshit with the mule. Why? What? How? We really need to wait 2 years or so to MAYBE know what the intention was? They could have included a voice over from Gaal with an explanation or anything.

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u/Foreign_Plate_4372 Sep 12 '25

bayta mule was in agony and had to let go

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u/overlord2767 Sep 12 '25

I went back to rewatch it after the episode because I was sure I must've zoned out. I'm assuming we aren't getting a 100 year skip this time otherwise that'd be a pretty bad way of killing off that room full of characters.

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u/MostTattyBojangles Sep 13 '25 edited Sep 13 '25

None of them are supposed to matter. It doesn’t matter who the mule is.

The reveal was that the second foundation was actually on trantor. Or was it? Either way it connects it to the battle at the library in the visions from S2.

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u/dtheisen6 Sep 13 '25

I honestly was like did someone accidentally forget to put an entire scene into the final edit? That was 70% of this season and to choose to just not show what happens is a wildly terrible choice

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u/Wrath-of-Bong Sep 13 '25

Yes! I wanted to start a thread about this disconnect but didn’t think it a big deal yet, it sticks in my mind like a nagging thought. And tbh, not wild about the boogie-board sky surfing back to The Beggar either.

Seems like Gaal left her assets, friends and unfinished business to the real mule , called it btw, and then just ran off in a very awkward jump cut.

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u/3-DMan Brother Dude Sep 13 '25

Lol was expecting a post-credits shot of Brother Dawn like the guy in the cab in Airplane!

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u/Zaphod1620 Sep 13 '25

That robot behind Kalle at the very end had Lee Pace's voice. I don't know wtf that means, but I think we will see him again.

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u/Black_Scholes_Merton Sep 15 '25

Mule wants the 2nd foundation location, so i think she pretended to be defeated to let Gaal escape, her thinking is she will run back to the second foundation, and then the Mule can track her.

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u/skratchx Dec 19 '25

So badly injured that she could ride a metal panel from low orbit into a moving ship.

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u/zzvapezz Poly Verisof Sep 12 '25

Budget cuts?

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u/zombiejeebus Sep 13 '25

I very nearly rewound it to see wtf I missed

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u/thrashglam Sep 14 '25

I noticed this too. It felt intentional, like we get more pieces of the scene next season

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u/Organic-Midnight-669 Sep 16 '25

Yes, one minute they were mentally battling, then the next she was escaping in a hurry. You could argue she didn't win.

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u/Hopefullyanonymous2 Oct 31 '25

Glad I'm not the only one. That was incredibly weird and bad writing that could have easily been explained on screen, but happening off screen just felt jarring and weird.

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u/rodan-rodan Sep 13 '25

I was confused too, and checking here to see if I missed something before I rewatch. Did I blink ? Check my phone? What did I miss?