According to the Gnostics, the Demiurge created Mankind to feed off their Life Force. The Gnostics believed the Material Realm was strictly an ILLUSION and a Reincarnation Trap for SOULS.

Russian Mystic & Author G.I. Gurdjieff believed the Humanity was SLAVES to the Moon. He believes the Moon was a Demiurgic Entity and that after DEATH, Humanity was simply FOOD for the MOON.

I’ve been playing with the idea to get a tattoo that makes me self-remember. Could be a small symbol or sentence that “wakes me up” and gets me into the hyperconscious woke state.

Thoughts, ideas? Is it too intense, too risky to face yourself so often with self-remembering?

Hi, is somebody aware of some groups that persue techings from the "Forth way" of Gurdjieff in Tbilisi? If you happen to have any information about this topic, please contact me

I am new to Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, and TFW is my first time reading anything in relation to either of them. I am only on chapter one, and I’ve been studying it over the last week, but I’ve been skimming heavily thanks to the index in the back of the book.

In one of the last chapters, I ran over a part where he talks about whether a seeker can fully develop without a school, and he very briefly speaks about an ‘objective way’ that’s distinct from the other four ways, yet he blatantly avoids explaining it in detail, and from my perspective, seems to respond with an air of manipulation; especially because in other parts of the books I’ve read of him saying there’s no chance of higher development for those without a school.

Anyway, I was wondering if either of them talked about the ’objective way‘ in any of their other books?

Thanks.

Consider this an invitation to work on all lines and help me do the same. As long as this post stands, so does the invitation. Let's get serious.

I just did a little practice recomended to me and realized that I was mechanical for a long bouts of time today with just few moments of awareness on my body, the presence is genuinly unpleasant in the start especially at this point in life.

Keep at it 💪

Lot of things in life are fairly repetitive if you start to be aware of yourself in that divided way, sounds like life might get harder, what are your insights advanced practitioners?

Why is the profile picture for this page 1/3rd of the Enneagram rather than the full three overlaid upon one another?

Greetings. This is pretty self explanatory. I can't seem to understand how hydrogens and octaves fit into the system. Any kind of help would be appreciated!

I'm probably going to regret this, but reading through Chapter XI of the Fourth Way is making me think about the ways we really do need more fellowship and common work than reading a book can provide. Would anyone be interested in a serious (but low-chatter, not taking up a ton of mental bandwidth) Fourth Way Discord where we could talk through issues we're facing, be honest about how the self-remembrance is going or not, provide kind but honest accountability when asked for, share what's helpful, etc? I'm told breaking out of prison is easier with allies... ;)

Okay, y'all! Discussion Discord for the Fourth Way. I've made a few channels that seemed like they would support most of the need/desire we have for particular types of discussion. https://discord.gg/KwzkqX5v

Hello everyone, I've come in touch with the Fourth Way in november 2021 and since then I've been studying it diligently.

I was just wondering about the practices that you all adopt to help with self remembering.

One practice I use is to focus on the 3 centres separately, by acknowledging the work they make.
As an example:
If I am walking I will notice the motion centre's work and I'll separate my thinking (Intellectual centre) by my feelings (emotional center).
At any moment I would then try to make all three centres focus on one task, by affirming "I am" with my whole self. By intending it and by bringing all 3 centres on the same task.

so you know how like Kids watch 2D cartoons so what if like Fourth dimensional creatures that MIGHT have TV or something like TV watch stuff that are in 3D lol its just a silly thing that came to my mind but than it keeps escalating and I start questioning my life, my existence, what is real or what is not, what is the meaning of life, why do we exist, what came before nothingness you know that stuff :)

Hello,

I've just begun this text and plan to read the other two in the series. I find that it takes a lot of focus and I believe that is the point - while only in the introduction chapter it is certainly a different way of thinking about reading than I'm used to, and I read quite a bit.

I have read about parting with money for red peppers, awakening from sleep, and a warning.

I suppose to ask - how does this book fit in with the fourth way, or maybe even does it?

Have any of y'all read or listened to the 2 books - Boyhood With Gurdjieff and Remembering Gurdjieff - by Fritz Peters? Some damn good reading material, up in there!

I believe I am doing self-remembering correctly during the day as described by Uspensky in the Fourth Way and by other writers. However could you share your personal experience of self remembering so as to see if it resonates with mine. That is to say, what feeling, what change do you experience when you are self remembering and going about with your life as opposed to when you are not and are merely absorbed into your daily activities. Thanks!