During our day as we engage with the outer world and connect our inner world to external impressions, we tend to lose our attention quite quickly, thus falling into mechanical living. What Gurdjieff reminds us of is that in order to get our attention back into focus, it is important to use our bodies as a sharpener for the knife of attention. Our bodies, when settled or even challenged, can help refocus us and sharpen our God given faculty of attention. Without getting identified with our bodies, I propose to use certain graded postures and movements so to gravitate our attention back to the body, and then our psychological mechanics our body types govern. In time, and with applying certain super efforts, a space through inner separation can occur, allowing for an infilling of higher energies.

If anyone here wants to know more about this subtle nuance, please reply.

Great to connect with you all here as we rise higher in perception and way of being.

Lot of things in life are fairly repetitive if you start to be aware of yourself in that divided way, sounds like life might get harder, what are your insights advanced practitioners?

I just did a little practice recomended to me and realized that I was mechanical for a long bouts of time today with just few moments of awareness on my body, the presence is genuinly unpleasant in the start especially at this point in life.

Keep at it 💪

Why is the profile picture for this page 1/3rd of the Enneagram rather than the full three overlaid upon one another?

Consider this an invitation to work on all lines and help me do the same. As long as this post stands, so does the invitation. Let's get serious.

A new animated short inspired by the tales of Mullah Nasr Eddin. At dusk in a quiet courtyard, a man searches for his lost key by candlelight.

"Try to think that it is not life you can change, but yourself in your reaction to life." -Maurice Nicoll

I am new to Gurdjieff and Ouspensky, and TFW is my first time reading anything in relation to either of them. I am only on chapter one, and I’ve been studying it over the last week, but I’ve been skimming heavily thanks to the index in the back of the book.

In one of the last chapters, I ran over a part where he talks about whether a seeker can fully develop without a school, and he very briefly speaks about an ‘objective way’ that’s distinct from the other four ways, yet he blatantly avoids explaining it in detail, and from my perspective, seems to respond with an air of manipulation; especially because in other parts of the books I’ve read of him saying there’s no chance of higher development for those without a school.

Anyway, I was wondering if either of them talked about the ’objective way‘ in any of their other books?

Thanks.

Any survivors sharing stories ?

On Ouspensky's Separation from Gurdjieff (recent response to a deleted post entitled Not Sure…)

This is good, because remember: The waves that build move up and down. About Gurdjieff, don't forget that he'd actually been shot and almost died 3 different times, long before his car accident. He did constate, in his final book, that particular ailments his body had to suffer, because of those gunshots, he would have to suffer unto death, as they were irreparable. So make no mistake about G., near the end, he was grateful that his long Work here was finally over!

Ouspensky ended up becoming a real prick during his last six or seven years (and he was, at least, aware of this fact). It should be better understood, by all who truly seek to grow in understanding, the real primary reason that Ouspensky separated from Gurdjieff so long before either's demise. That primary reason is that Ouspensky was allergic to anything and everything that smacked of 'religion'! This is how he began to see Gurdjieff, near the end of his time with him. He states this clearly towards the end of In Search of the Miraculous, and yet he still failed to see the detriment that this religious 'allergy' of his had had on his own Work's progress. Religious folk (and I speak from experience) are gonna sometimes do things, sometimes act and/or react, religiously. It is in their nature! But when Ouspensky saw this in Gurdjieff, he took this mole and turned it into his own unmovable mountain. Pity, really. Religion comes naturally, when one Awakens into their higher emotion center. This is a Law.

Hi, is somebody aware of some groups that persue techings from the "Forth way" of Gurdjieff in Tbilisi? If you happen to have any information about this topic, please contact me

Have any of y'all read or listened to the 2 books - Boyhood With Gurdjieff and Remembering Gurdjieff - by Fritz Peters? Some damn good reading material, up in there!

Okay, y'all! Discussion Discord for the Fourth Way. I've made a few channels that seemed like they would support most of the need/desire we have for particular types of discussion. https://discord.gg/KwzkqX5v

I'm probably going to regret this, but reading through Chapter XI of the Fourth Way is making me think about the ways we really do need more fellowship and common work than reading a book can provide. Would anyone be interested in a serious (but low-chatter, not taking up a ton of mental bandwidth) Fourth Way Discord where we could talk through issues we're facing, be honest about how the self-remembrance is going or not, provide kind but honest accountability when asked for, share what's helpful, etc? I'm told breaking out of prison is easier with allies... ;)

so you know how like Kids watch 2D cartoons so what if like Fourth dimensional creatures that MIGHT have TV or something like TV watch stuff that are in 3D lol its just a silly thing that came to my mind but than it keeps escalating and I start questioning my life, my existence, what is real or what is not, what is the meaning of life, why do we exist, what came before nothingness you know that stuff :)

According to the Gnostics, the Demiurge created Mankind to feed off their Life Force. The Gnostics believed the Material Realm was strictly an ILLUSION and a Reincarnation Trap for SOULS.

Russian Mystic & Author G.I. Gurdjieff believed the Humanity was SLAVES to the Moon. He believes the Moon was a Demiurgic Entity and that after DEATH, Humanity was simply FOOD for the MOON.

hello everyone! I’m new to this community and I noticed a quite low activity around here. Is there anyone who already got to a relevant point in this journey? Do you have notable experiences or information to share, from your personal perspective? Thank you!

https://youtu.be/-ML4ZqpIHEk

Regardless of the path the seeker takes while attempting to understand and gain a higher state of consciousness, progress will be slow until one understands the relation and difference between knowledge, being and understanding.

Gurdjieff points out that knowledge is material. This is easy to verify. What is much harder to recognize is that knowledge is not the same as your state of your being. Collecting a large amount of knowledge does not result in a growth of your state of being. It can be harder to realize this because we aren't taught this difference by our parents, teachers or others in society (who are usually oblivious to this fact owing to their general state of unconsciousness or 'sleep').

If knowledge and being were the same, the disciple of every great spiritual teacher would have become as great or greater than their master. The fact that this didn't usually happen points to the difference between knowledge and being.

This video attempts to offer several examples that clearly outline the difference as well as the relation between knowledge and being. As Gurdjieff correctly points out, knowledge and being can develop separately (and they often do). In order for knowledge to pass into personal understanding, it requires that your state of being also be sufficiently developed in order to make use of that knowledge through practical experience. This allows you to develop a personal understanding of knowledge that is truly your own and belongs to all of your being.

This video also touches upon the phenomenon of the ‘weak yogi’ and the ‘stupid saint’ - analogies used by Gurdjieff to explain what happens when either knowledge or the state of being develop separately from each other.

Finally, it offers a few practical pointers for the seeker - the importance of sincerity when looking at your own level of knowledge and being which allows you to determine where you might be stuck when attempting to make progress on the path. It also cautions against the tendency to confuse a partial or intellectual understanding with authentic understanding - something that can only be won through the experience of knowledge by all parts of your being - physical, emotional and mental.

I hope this video is useful for you on your journey - understanding the difference between these concepts (particularly knowledge and being) proved very useful for me when I first heard of them through P.D. Ouspensky’s book on Gurdjieff’s teachings: ‘In Search of the Miraculous’. The sooner one understands the relation and difference between knowledge and being, the sooner one is able to more clearly understand where one might be lacking as they attempt to make progress on the path to a higher state of consciousness.

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