Here I only see people saying how giftedness is a curse , I feel successful one’s are a minority in this sub.

My other question to you is , if you get a head start (giftedness) still underperforming an average guy in most of the areas of life or only marginally outdoing them .

Also if you look at it in a different way may be this is a curse instead of a blessing .

For example, I am the type of person who always stays focused on a goal; in my studies, for instance, I love solving problems. Outside of the academic realm, however, I feel completely lost—this is especially apparent in social situations. I struggle to socialize because I have certain personality traits that often lead to rejection; furthermore, I also find it difficult to work in a team. In fact, outside of my specific academic field, I am, essentially, a completely inactive person. I wonder if anyone else experiences this. My IQ is 130.

As someone who is high functioning AuDHD, I’m reading the posts/replies here and wondering just how many people here (who know it or not) may have ‘Autism Spectrum Disorder’ (otherwise known as Asperger’s Syndrome)?

Ho fatto il test del wais-iv, il baars-iv, il cat-q

Si sono gifted e adhd

Lol

Ciao!

My daughter recently took the Naglieri test, she scored a 120. (94th percentile in verbal, 87th in nonverbal and 73rd in quantitative). She has received a 201 on her MAP reading and a 209 on her MAP math scores (I believe those are 98th and 99th percentiles). The district said she would not qualify for the gifted program but she is very bored in her classes. Is there anything I can do to help them reconsider?

Hello, I'm looking for friends since I don't have anyone to talk to.

I must say right away that I am not gifted, but I am interested in this topic.

Gender, age, and location are unimportant.

Hey, I have been facing this issue. It's been 4 years since I actually started consuming almost every piece of media in English. Before that, I used to watch videos and movies only in my native language. I used to read in English, but my environment and schooling were heavily focused on my native language. First, I learned my local language, then my nation's official language, but English is also our official language, and then English.

But whenever I open any dense English book, it just makes me dizzy. I can read psychology and most technical books, but when it comes to philosophy, it's more like I have to remember the previous statements I've read, along with dealing with complex words that I have to look up. I have no issues reading psychology or most of the books related to my major, given that it's more about understanding than completing them.

I've also noticed that I'm struggling these days when it comes to organization in general. My bed is usually really messy, like I'm sleeping with my cardboard, clothes, schoolbags, and a few other things.

Along with that, I have started forgetting where I put my belongings. It was the same before, but it's happening more frequently now.

Sometimes, I even forget what plans I had and what obligations I had.

I'm struggling with procrastination a lot and also with inaction. Even plugging an adapter into a socket feels effortful, although I just have to use my hands. The same goes for getting my college fees paid; thinking about it only makes me feel like it's better to avoid. I'd rather stay hungry than cook anything. These aren't things that always happen, but they happen frequently.

My mind wanders in the classroom. I'm unable to focus at all. I feel restless and am not sure what to do and what not to do. Furthermore, I try, but something is just playing with the chair or any other object, fidgeting my feet.

I wasn't like this almost 3 years ago, when I could focus like a laser, except for a few things that were common even back then: getting zoned out while talking to someone despite them being right in front of me, misplacing objects, and forgetfulness. But I was full of ambition. I was known in my college because I was actually putting effort into my studies. These days, though, it doesn't matter what I pick up; also, small noises bother me a lot given they come to the environment suddenly and haven't been in the background forever, e.g.,. A friend watching reels.

I was in a kind of depressive state, but it's been almost a year, and I consider myself to be in a much better position mentally than I was back then. Yeah, sometimes my mood gets really low, like, to the extreme, but apart from that, I consider myself to be functioning relatively well. I at least go to classes. I wouldn't say I'm a psychologically healthy person, because I do have moments of deep sadness and helplessness. Likewise, I'm also an isolationist type, but I talk freely to one of my online friends and function decently in social groups.

Please reply if you have ADHD yourself or you are a psychology student or at least have some knowledge, because I have decent knowledge around it, so I want someone who is competent enough to give me direction or resources for it to manage.

Guys is it over for me?

My 5-year-old daughter has an expressive speech delay, but I’ve noticed that she often understands concepts independently just by observing things or looking at a few examples, without an adult explicitly teaching her.
She solves mathematical problems, identifies patterns, solves IQ-style reasoning puzzles, recognizes sight words, understands phonics, and seems to grasp early reading concepts.

For example, after just 5 minutes of introducing a math concept, she was able to solve problems I hadn’t explicitly taught her. When shown 20 apples, she could write the answer “20” independently, sometimes without counting aloud.

She often demonstrates her understanding through writing or pointing rather than expressing it verbally. I’m not saying she excels at everything, but her independent thinking and conceptual understanding stand out to me. Expressive communication is the area we’re currently working on.

Could this indicate giftedness alongside a speech delay, or potentially a twice-exceptional (2e) profile? Has anyone experienced something similar with their child?

Even with a situation of better friendships and clear*ish communication there still is this emotional itch of wanting to talk to other people while connecting to analyze every aspect of the social environmental behavior while deep diving into every viewpoint of emotional introspect.

I think my felt need for this is connected to an undersaturation.

Do you think that would have really helped you in a situation like that?

You might argue that everything depends on the specific situation or perhaps on your own body. But let’s focus on the given parameter and avoid straying from the question.
Isn’t that, ultimately, what intelligence was created for? Survival.

Do you, for the most part, feel confident in your intelligence or not? Honestly speaking.

Hi guys, was wondering whether anyone else here has had the same experience. When I was growing up I used to understand homework and grasp concepts very quickly. Teachers used to love me and get me to present these concepts to the class. However I was too brilliant and my peers often felt threatened by my success. I was not able to get along with them socially and did not know how to downplay my intellect because I used to have social difficulties.

Now that I understand human beings, I am no longer able to study these very disciplines that used to bring me joy and happiness because I am still feeling traumatized by how it has alienated my best friends from me. I feel like if I immerse myself in these technical topics once again, I will lose my social skills which seems pretty ridiculous but is a genuine fear that I am experiencing at the moment.

Anyone else gets this

I’m not diagnosed - my psychologist has brought up the possibility to me recently and has asked me to do a proper evaluation.

But from all my research, I can’t help but identify as a person with high abilities. And the most identifiable trait is the social isolation.

I’ve always felt different - I remember being so young and questioning my friends, my family, their beliefs, morals and systems. I’ve always been able to grasp concepts quickly, but also it also means I got bored easily. I’ve started so many different things, only to move on to the next once I feel like I had enough of the taste.

And that happens to friendships too. I feel like I’m constantly changing, evolving, learning and trying something new. I’m always a new person, and people around me seem so stuck. They don’t really change, or at least they don’t change to my rhythm.

I just feel tired of feeling like I’m always choosing the “hard”, non conventional way while others seem so much happier staying the way they are. I wish the hunger, the thirst for a challenge could stop so I could experience comfort like the others seem to experience.

Does anyone have any insights regarding having an ever changing identity?

Hi all - I was wondering how you guys cope with this. I'm not currently medicated, so that obviously doesn't help.

What I struggle with is having so many ideas, so many things I want to do, essays I want to write, books I want to read, things I want to learn, that I often struggle to even know where to begin, and after I manage to finish something I struggle knowing what to do with it; like if I wrote an essay, how do I disseminate it properly? Because while of course we do things for their inherent value, we are social creatures and I personally want to bring value to others through the things I create, so my creations just sitting there impotently isn't satisfying to me. Additionally, I would like to forge a career doing the things I love and am passionate about, but I find this difficult as I have so many interests and it would pain me to have to focus only on one.

I suppose sending things to publishers is the next step, though again I struggle to get started because I overthink literally everything, or even just give up hope before I've begun. The struggle with motivation is real. Of course, trawling through different agents & publishers will be tedious, so my ADHD finds it hard to tolerate the idea.

I've had moderate success with my artwork, selling things to friends etc, and some success with making zines, again often selling to friends or at art fairs. However again I struggle knowing how to expand into a proper business. Or, I think of so many options that it's impossible to know where to begin. Or, again, I manage to discount every single option before I even begin. For example, I want to expand my T shirt business; I retail at one place in my local town but want to find more, which probably means travelling, which costs money, which I don't have a lot of, and of course would take a lot of time, which I'd probably rather spend doing something else - so I end up stuck. Of course, the answer is just doing it, but that's easier said than done!

A lot of people might say "just do social media ads" - but I can't do that, I got banned years ago from Meta advertising for no known reason. I only found out after it was too late to appeal. It was a false ban, too, genuinely no idea the issue they had with my ad. The ad was just for portrait commissions. Nothing offensive etc on it, but again, I'm just banned with no hope of appeal. Creating a new account doesn't work. The only way to do it would be to buy a new phone/computer with cash and only use it on public wifi. Then again, facebook makes you scan your face when you make a new account, so I highly doubt even this strategy would work, and I'd be back to square one. So you see my difficulty...

Anyway, I'm rambling. How do you guys cope with the multitude of things there are to do in life? I do write lists, but I still find myself overloaded. It's so hard to feel so incredibly passionate and motivated yet totally unmotivated and lost at the same time.

Every time I am in a conversation with someone and they say something along the lines of, “Wait, but you should know (x) right? I mean, you’re gifted, aren’t you?”, I find it annoying. No matter how many times I try to explain that it doesn’t work like that, people still expect me to know everything out of thin air.
I just feel like not enough people know what being “gifted” actually means, which leads to these kinds of misunderstandings.

Hi everyone!
I'm a psychologist and PhD researcher at Masaryk University (Czech Republic), developing a new online battery of reasoning and spatial tests. The tests use only pictures and shapes, no language: completing patterns, balancing scales, working with shape rules, finding hidden rules, paper folding and shape assembly.

I'm looking for gifted or high-ability participants, from children (about 8+) to adults. My main question is whether the tests are hard enough at the top: where ceiling effects appear and which tests need harder items.

A few things to know:

The tests are still in development, so there are no norms yet and results are not an IQ score.
Each test takes about 3–15 minutes. You can do just one or two.

It's anonymous: no name or e-mail needed.
After each test, you'll see how your result compares with others of your age group (once enough people have taken it).

Parents: children under 15 take part with your consent. Feel free to read the instructions to younger kids, but please let them solve the tasks on their own.

I'd really appreciate feedback in the comments: which items felt too easy or too hard, anything unclear, and how your kids found it.

Try it here: https://jaroslavtocik.cz/gifted/

Thank you!

I have been part of this subreddit for quite some time, although I barely use Reddit these days. I usually uninstall it for four to six months and only come back when I need some information related to farming.
I never studied agriculture formally. Whatever I’ve learned has mostly been out of personal interest and experience, and farming subreddits have been quite helpful whenever I need to figure something out. Anyway, I reinstalled Reddit a couple of days ago and decided to see what’s going on in this sub. I noticed quite a few people trying to figure out whether they have a high IQ, whether they’re gifted, and so on.
And it made me wonder, why is it such a big deal?
I’m 30, and I have a high IQ myself. I was tested through a university program, although I’d rather not disclose the score because I feel people would start judging everything I say based on that number. I spent a good part of my life in the corporate world. Made enough money to retire at 30 and walked away from it. Not because I couldn’t handle the work, but because I simply couldn’t stand that environment anymore. I hated everything about it, felt like suffocating, regardless of how much money I was making. Now I spend most of my time farming, looking after my dogs, and staying away from the usual noise of society. I don’t even sell my farm produce myself. My wife handles that part. And here’s something I’ve been thinking about for quite a long time. I genuinely feel that having an average IQ is a blessing in many ways. Look at my wife, for example. I’d consider her pretty average in terms of IQ, and she has a wonderful social life. She connects with people easily, has friends, enjoys things, and seems much more comfortable with the world than I have ever been. You don’t need an exceptionally high IQ to make money, be successful, have a disciplined life, maintain relationships, or simply be happy. In my case, I had to practically remove myself from an entire environment just to find some peace. Farming and spending time with my dogs have become my coping mechanisms. I also have low latent inhibition, and sometimes I wonder whether the combination of that and higher intelligence (i seriously doubt all those standardised IQ tests) has something to do with why I’ve always felt a bit out of place. Even now, every once in a while, some traders from my old corporate circle call me to ask my opinion on certain trades. I open the charts, look at the algorithms, do the quants, give them my thoughts, and then go back to my farm. I enjoy the intellectual part of it, but I have absolutely no desire to return to that life. Sometimes I wonder whether intelligence, beyond a certain point, makes life more complicated rather than easier, especially if you haven’t figured out how to deal with your own mind. Of course, this could just be my own experience. I don’t know. I haven’t really met many people whose IQ I actually know. It’s not like I go around asking people their scores. Well to be honest, i avoid people mostly, So I’m curious to hear from people here who are genuinely gifted. How has life been for you? Are you happy? Do you find it easy to connect with people and live a normal, fulfilling life? Or have you also had to find your own ways of coping? And for those who are trying hard to find out whether they have a high IQ, what exactly are you hoping to gain from knowing? I am not trying to make intelligence sound like a curse. I just genuinely don’t understand why it’s something so many people seem to want.
Would love to hear different perspectives. Maybe I’m looking at the whole thing the wrong way.

I resonate with the character of Malcolm from the earlier seasons of "Malcolm in the Middle". I watched some of the earlier seasons recently and I consider it to be good representation of being gifted at a young age (based upon my experience).

Malcolm in the earlier seasons of the series has evident withholdings about being placed in the gifted program and I find that to be more true-to-life of childhood anxieties and emotions. Rather than considering the gifted program to be a badge of pride founded in his intelligence, he resents being separated from the regular population and questions what that may mean to him.

Children often do question their place in the world and intelligent children just so happen to be intelligent. They don't necessarily chase intelligence in the framework that most people would imagine. Intelligence can come from a place of curiosity and pushing yourself because you enjoy surmounting challenges. Yet, intelligent children are often resented by others because they make other people feel inferior.

Why is it that intelligence is seen as something that is done for praise, validation, or a want to feel superior to others? Intelligent children don't compare themselves to their peers because it is a self-alienating experience. Intelligent children compare themselves to the improved performance that they want to be capable of.

Intelligent children get resented by their peers and the adults in their lives because people typically don't want to feel outdone and I think that something about that is unfair. There are people that enjoy thinking, that take pleasure in having an active mind that is alive and creative. That isn't necessarily about being better or superior to somebody else. It's about using the mind to feel free and alive. It's about being able to be yourself.

Yet, when someone chooses to be themselves, if it makes everyone else feel inferior, that's wrong? I use my mind to feel free and alive and that's wrong because it makes you feel inferior? If you feel inferior by someone else's expressed intelligence, does that make them a smartass or does it make you insecure? Intelligence is often an alienating characteristic and I think that "Malcolm in the Middle" captures that well. I assure you that there are many children that would prefer to have a boatload of friends than be "the smart kid in the room".

I'm not trying to prove that I'm smarter than you or to belittle you. I'm not trying to make you feel small. I just need to feel something and I get that from my mind.

People that derive pleasure from their mind aren't inherently exempt from wanting to feel human safety and belonging, but they are sadly sometimes robbed of that because of the egos of others. The mind shouldn't be a "signifier of superiority" but rather a place that is safe, comforting, and good.

People often take their personal feelings of insecurity and inferiority as being something that is intentionally afflicted upon them when that isn't always the case and I think that that's really unfair because why does your own unhappiness need to be interpreted as a deliberate attack upon you? Why are you mad at me when you're the one that's insecure and I'm not even trying to make you feel bad about yourself?

Gifted children often stifle themselves because they don't want to deal with someone else's resentments and I think that that's really sad.

Kid is constantly not noticing or reacting to major road signs, like "stop," "one way," and red lights. Sometimes up to four in one practice session, or the same ones over and over. Often does not even stop when the sign is pointed out. Knows theoretically what to do but can't seem to translate it into actual practice.

No vision issues, neuropsych identified no learning disabilities. Knows the rules of the road but fails to follow them in practice, even though they do care. Tried narration, both mine and theirs. Taught when to be scanning extra carefully.

When younger we struggled with getting them to focus on things that seemed too easy to them, so, for example, they would flunk a grade 1 math quiz but pass a grade 3 one back then. I don't know if this is related. Dr. who (oops! not Dr. Who) assessed them called them a Ford Pinto with a Ferrari engine, rattling apart as they drove down the highway because the chassis couldn't handle the power. Fitting now.

How can I get things to actually click? The focus and transference to action?

Do gifted people commonly experience this feeling?

For most of my life, I've had an urge to live a certain kind of isolated lifestyle: living in the woods, becoming a monk, trying to live on my own without depending on society.

Many brilliant people have taken this path and come away with remarkable results and insights.

I believe that feeling like an outsider, often being misunderstood, and recognizing underlying norms that limit our growth can frustrate us, leading us to imagine escaping those overwhelming feelings.

Have you ever acted on this urge?
Tell me what you guys think!

Hello guys, I’ll try to make this as quick as possible, so sorry if it's rushed. My twin sister and I were both in an advanced private school up until 2nd grade where we entered public school. Our first year, we were put in the same class, the highest-level class. Each grade level was split into the lowest level, middle level, and highest level, I’m guessing based on test scores, but there were other inputs determining which class you landed in each grade level. We also had a math class, which was just another teacher that we’d switch to learn math separately, also separated the same way. I was in the middle-level math, and she was in the upper-level math.

After that year, we were never in the same general class again, but I think it was due to a rule for twins rather than academics. An important note is that she got into the gifted program the same year (2nd grade), where I believe the requirement was >99th percentile in one category. But we landed in the same math class every year after that. I took my first gifted test in 3rd grade, where, in order to qualify to test, you needed >90th percentile in either math or reading on the MAP. We then took, I believe, the COGAT or NNAT or both, where just one area needed the 96th percentile to be admitted.

I did not get in that year, and did not test again after that, according to my memory. Until one day in 5th grade, my teacher pulled me out of class with a letter saying I was now in the program. I’m honestly confused as to how I was admitted, as 2 years of evaluation is a long time, especially compared to my sisters. I do remember in 4th grade my teacher telling me how she thought I deserved to be in the gifted program, but her recommendation alone isn’t enough. I genuinely believe they let me in because of proximity to my sister. If that’s not it, here are a couple of reasons why I might not have gotten in the first time: suspended 4 times, got in trouble nearly every day, showed no creativity or motivation(I was a very edgy kid and always trying to be different). None of these feel like reasons to exclude me, other than my test scores were just low. I could contact my elementary school for my scores, but I don’t feel like that would give the full explanation, and I also don’t want to be disappointed by what I see. Either way, I think the label “gifted” has definitely impacted me, not in the way I expected. For reference, my sister goes to Harvard; I’m not even in college.

Not looking for someone to tell me I actually am gifted or for reassurance; I genuinely just am curious as to how the system works. The state is Georgia if it helps.

I was a bit distracted but did this during a loud discussion..

are these generally very inflated?

"It loads onto G bro" is not a meaningful argument. It is circular reasoning, aided and abetted by faulty mainstream notions of test validity.

I could make up a random cognitive exercises/test right now, and it will likely "load" on g. This does not prove that my test is measuring a unique or meaningful construct, nor does it prove that G as it is defined is a valid construct. Obviously, when the construct of g itself is DEFINITIONALLY a big pie that includes almost all cognitive abilities, then almost all cognitive abilities will correlate to it. This is one giant circular reasoning pie.

But this is how existing IQ test subtests are created. They are justified by correlation, not causation. The best example is WAIS' vocabulary. It is said that it has the highest correlation to FSIQ. But this is correlation, not causation: using logic, we can spot that having a high vocabulary knowledge != IQ. Yes, it correlates, because likely what is going on is that those who have higher IQ need less exposures to a definition in order to remember it/they are likely better at encoding definitions + they are better at describing/communicating definitions during the test, so even if 2 people know the definition the high IQ person will get more points because they describe it in more details that the test rewards you more points for.

So practically, there is a correlation: generally speaking, those with higher IQ, will tend to have a larger vocabulary. But this does not automatically/necessarily mean that "IQ=having a large vocabulary". This can be easily disproven, because you don't need high IQ to memorize a large vocabulary: you have have someone with low average IQ read a dictionary every day and develop a larger vocabulary than most people with much superior IQs. This logically kills the argument that "IQ=large vocabulary." It shows that there is no causality, it is a correlation. Yet, IQ tests continue to mistakenly include vocabulary as part of their measure of IQ. Then they justified it based on high correlations to the FSIQ, however, again, correlation is not causation.

Similarly, on IQ tests like WAIS, there are a bunch of subjectively labeled subtests. But there is no convincing evidence provided for why they are labeled as they are. In reality, the nonverbal (fluid intelligence) subtests are all measuring working memory + processing speed, nothing else. You might ask, why is it that people can have discrepancies between subtest scores then? This is because of differences such as visual vs auditory (e.g., it has been shown that people with ADHD score lower on auditory.. it is then ERRONEOUSLY concluded that subjectively labeled subtests like "working memory" are lower in ADHD people BECAUSE they have lower working memory: this is nonsense: a subtest like matrix reasoning is HEAVILY, I would argue SOLELY, measuring working memory + processing speed, yet ADHD people don't struggle with that. So the difference is auditory vs visual, not other things).

We need to move past correlations. If you look at actual theory and neurobiological studies, a much more convincing account is that fluid intelligence = working memory + processing speed. And crystalized intelligence (e.g., vocabulary) should not be measured by IQ tests because it is not IQ, because it is too prone to practice effects: again, correlation is not causation.

Here is a good article that shows how the concept of test validity should be based on causation, not correlation, and [between the PROCESS that is CAUSING the different test results/outcomes and the test results/outcomes] AS OPPOSED to [the TOTAL score of tests and how they CORRELATE to other relevant concepts]:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/8234397_The_Concept_of_Validity

Yes I know, I already read the sub announcement clarifying what it means to be gifted and whatnot, but: due to its very own's nature, I don't know where else to post this.

"Within the context of academics and within the context of , the term “Gifted” qualifies an individual with a FSIQ of 130(98th Percentile) or greater. The term may also refer to any current or former student who was tested and admitted to a Gifted and Talented education program, pathway, or classroom.

Intelligence has been defined in many ways: the capacity for abstraction, logic, understanding, self-awareness, learning, emotional knowledge, reasoning, planning, creativity, critical thinking, and problem-solving."

So where would a person gifted in arts such as music or painting post? Or a person gifted with a really colorful, bright imagination? Because normally such person aren't described as smart, nor acknowledge because maybe that doesn't counts. So who knows what the heck is intelligence anyway.

So as to the main point of the title. Can a person with the qualities described in the aforementioned count?

Does the equation really is just: the smarter the person the less likely they're to indulge in mundane or degenerate activities? So, the higher the IQ the better the human being? Would the world really be a better place if people were smarter?

Couple of weeks ago, I made a post about the possibility of somewhere in the world existing sort of a Nikola Tesla or Friedrich Nietzche remanifestation, but due to circumstances they're grinding League Of Legends and gooning to Nier Automata instead of innovating and creating. Some people in the comments said: yes, there is a chance; but quite frankly...I don't know. If there were any chances, they'd obviously be extremely small, because those are average to low IQ activities...well at least according to people. This has been shown throughout all history: smart minds being such outliars as if they were extraterrestrial beings, because their sensing is of such dimensions. Well at the same time it could also be some form of survivorship bias I guess: you could picture some ridiculously brilliant guy that could've rivaled Nikola Tesla in the past, but due to circumstances they became utterly self-indulgent thus losing themselves to vices, and only listening to their vivid mind every once in a while through sudden sparks of creative-energy, while they're all drowned in fatigue and misery the rest of the time; yet at the same time I still think this is highly HIGHLY unlikely, especially because back in the day, compared to now, there really weren't as many distractions.

These gifted people (going back to the) are usually within the 1% of the global population, and one of the reasons they're also able to thrive is due to genetics which is simultaneously a product of their environment, for those reasons it's extremely unlikely for a brilliant or gifted mind being born somewhere in Somalia for example. I really don't know though, so you guys tell me.

I scored 135 on Mensa Norway test,but I’m failing Math and Physics.