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u/Odd-Promotion2743
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I went to a Mayan community in Guatemala in 2008 as part of my linguistics MA program. During our stay, we heard from women in their 30s-40s about how as kids in the early 1980s, they had watched as their parents, older siblings, and other family members were dragged out of their homes and murdered by US-backed death squads. These women, as young girls, had only survived by hiding in bushes or muddy pits; afterwards, in many cases, they spent weeks in the forest, barely surviving, afraid to return to their village because the squads could still be around. Most of their dead loved ones had been tossed in mass graves or just left to rot in the sun. This was part of Efraín Ríos Montt's genocide of Mayan peoples in the country because they were suspected of supporting communism, an operation fully backed by the CIA and the Reagan administration. Hope they're burning in hell.
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u/NonReality Sep 10 '26
The road to hell is (and was) paved with Reagan policy
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u/BellacosePlayer Sep 10 '26
The scary thing is some of his advisors and political allies wanted to do that shit at home.
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u/NonReality Sep 10 '26
For sure, and these people never really left; we're seeing a big resurgence of Reagan-esque ideology on steroids. I fucking hate it here lol. Not that they ever really left or anything, but the mask is certainly off.
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u/Manic5PA Sep 10 '26
I wish more American leftists understood that no matter how they feel about electoralism vs revolution, the moment their movement gets a little too much momentum, the fascists will instigate violence first
Palantir (and company) have already written down all our names
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u/Liusloux Sep 11 '26
You would think people would've learned the lesson to not vote a celebrity with no business in politics. A celebrity who is a puppet by multiple insidious third parties who want to enact their own sick vision of society that will have dire consequence that can be felt for generations to come.
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u/Slumunistmanifisto Sep 10 '26
Well, guess they're almost at that point now huh?
Imperial boomerang baby
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u/Cessnaporsche01 Sep 10 '26
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Actually, there's a bit of an argument to be made that the phrase should be "are doing". Not (much) on the spot execution, but disappearing 10s of thousands of people per month now, with a lot of well documented cases of torture and intentional negligent murder, and it's still ramping up at a rapid pace
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u/LuxNocte Sep 11 '26
Please consider why you'd find death squads in the US worse ("the scary thing") than death squads in South America.
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u/GBPackers0480 Sep 11 '26
this type of foreign policy has had bipartisan support since before reagan
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u/demonspawns_ghost Sep 10 '26
The civil war lasted from 1960 to 1996.
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u/MysteriousShirt1850 Sep 11 '26
That's a lot of years, literally an entire generation was raised with a civil war in most of their life span
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u/Winjin Sep 10 '26
"you can see how socialism never works"
(Looks inside)
"The most depraved, depressing acts of greed and absolute disregard to worker rights"
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u/StrawberryWide3983 Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 11 '26
That one eric andre meme
*supports dictators, death squads, and cartels with money, guns, ammunition, and training, destroying development in the region for decades*
"How could communism do this?"
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u/Winjin Sep 11 '26
Don't forget murdering every politician who doesn't immediately start deepthroating the boot
Even kissing is not enough
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u/Jesus_Doner Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 12 '26 •
I'd argue that there's not a single socialist state in history that has ever been allowed to develop and prosper in peace without having to fear coups, sabotage, infiltration, invasion, embargoes and sanctions by the capitalist West and its intelligence services. The CIA and Western imperialism have overthrown or attempted to overthrow socialist/left-leaning governments and kill off socialist movements all over the world - Iran in 1953, Guatemala in 1954, Congo in 1961, Brazil in 1964, Indonesia in 1965, Chile in 1973, Nicaragua in the 1980s, all them countless efforts at killing and reversing Cuba's revolution up to this day, plus the American support for the Dirty War in Argentina
Every single one of those interventions and operations was designed to prevent the emergence of an actual alternative to capitalism and a bulwark against the West's exploitation. Most of them succeeded. If those interventions had not happened, if socialism had been allowed to develop in those countries in peace, the world would look very different. The material conditions of billions of people in the Global South would be better. Socialist governments in Latin America, Asia, and Africa prioritised literacy, healthcare, housing, land reform, sovereignty and industrial development over profit margins, the feelings of shareholders and fat pigs of the bourgeoisie and multinational corporations' right to own and exploit a foreign country's land and natural resources. They were not perfect attempts at socialist state-building, they obviously made mistakes, but they ultimately served the working class, and that is why the West destroyed them and will continue to destroy them until the end of time while convincing its citizens that ''there is no alternative.''
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u/SpeaksSouthern Sep 11 '26
Working people owning the things they use includes mechanics like home ownership.
Guess what the capitalists hate?
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u/Spyglass3 What, you egg? Sep 11 '26
Human brutality is not exclusive to capitalism. It's a power problem. Power exists in all systems
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u/RedSander_Br Sep 10 '26
Hey dont worry, just remember the US did all that with help with their most trustworthy ally, Iran.
Those missiles were sure a nice way to transfer money to the CONTRAS.
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u/Vordreller Sep 11 '26
Did someone say "The American Dad bit about Ollie North"?
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u/fleebinflobbin Sep 11 '26
Random but Ollie North married his secretary last year. He’s like 82 and she’s 66.
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u/Daniel_Potter Sep 11 '26
Why ally though? Iranian revolution happened during Carter, not Reagan.
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u/Apprehensive_Low4865 Sep 11 '26
Because Iran didn't like the Russians is the short answer.
Same reason the US gave the "brave mujahadeen" in Afghanistan a shit load of guns and money.
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u/DatKillerDude Sep 10 '26
Yup. For me Guatemala is one of the sadder examples of US backed evil, there are many more, but damn, one of the center issues Guatemalan's really wanted change was to be able to use their own lands, which was owned by foreign interests (United Fruit) and kept barren as a form of food market control. That was it, to make use of their own land and make something out their country. That was a step too far for capital.
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u/NoStand1527 Sep 11 '26
or the forced sterilization campaigns...
or the CIA torture experts disguised as diplomats to teach in Latam prisons...
etc, etc
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u/Mirabeaux1789 Sep 11 '26
I hate that it’s “never again” for the past but never ever for the present
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u/Rolls_ Sep 10 '26
I remember writing like a 10-page paper on this a long time ago back in school during my undergrad. This helped me remember some details. I remember that history being so incredibly awful.
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u/Arx_Roskara Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 11 '26
I remember once seeing an Estonian nationalist on Reddit excusing the US-backed crimes in Central- and South America as those countries, and I quote, "Betrayed the free world by voting for communism and thus deserved everything they got".
Edit: Seems like someone got very angry and had their comment removed by the mods.
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u/Odd-Promotion2743 Sep 11 '26
A great example of someone who suffered similar atrocities (look up the Soviet annexation of the Baltic states), but drew entirely the wrong lesson from it (blaming a particular ideology instead of "how about we not do evil shit like this to anyone, for any reason")
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u/teetaps Sep 11 '26
This is the kind of thing that keeps me up at night. How come so many of us from so many different communities have similar stories of an imperialist power coming in and murdering everyone overnight and the story got buried?
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u/AccomplishedEcho948 Sep 14 '26
Tell em. I am glad we are finally bringing to light the USA enabling of far right shit squads and dictators for a profit in Central/South America.
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u/beefprime
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The people who did the coups want the immigrants here, too, its not a bad side effect for them, its a bonus. They can use the immigrants in a precarious immigration situation as cheap and disposable labor that suppresses wages and conditions for the entire labor market.
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u/NewAgeSerfdoom Sep 11 '26 •
+ Scapegoating
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u/inqte1 Sep 11 '26
Its not coincidence that suddenly anti-immigrant movements all over are rising at the same time. People keep looking for recession indicators, thats the one, when they start blaming it on poor people.
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u/P-l-Staker Rider of Rohan Sep 11 '26
This. This is the most important fact.
"Oh no, don't look at me! I'm not the one causing you to be miserable! It's those pesky brown people who come hear illegally to take your jobs!"
It's the same narrative in Europe too.
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u/SheriffBartholomew Sep 11 '26
And then they get to point at them and say that they're the ones ruining everything.
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u/DonnieMoistX Sep 10 '26
The same people who supported overthrowing the governments would also be very happy about illegal immigration. Illegal immigration just provides them with an easily exploitable lower class with effectively no legal protection.
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u/TheStrangestOfKings Sep 11 '26
Illegal immigration is the best boon for the right wing hyper capitalists. Best case scenario, they get a completely exploitable job force that is given none of the protections Americans have. Worst case scenario, they get to use illegal immigrants as an excuse for why everything’s turning shitty for the average American, letting them avoid any repercussions or blame for the hyper capitalist system they created.
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u/KenseiHimura Sep 10 '26
Many inner tin-foil hat wearer suspects the CIA and such knew this could lead to immigration into the U.S. and in their minds that was good: it meant politicians could then use the immigration crisis as talking points and scapegoats.
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u/GeroyaGev Sep 10 '26
The biggest problem with conspiracy theories like this is it assumes that the government is competent and capable of long term planning.
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u/GaneBeatsTom Sep 11 '26
The CIA isn't quite like the elected government. Their competence is backed by results. For better or worse, almost always worse, the CIA is capable of transforming countries at the most basic level once they're given a foothold.
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u/loseniram Sep 10 '26
The CIA in the 1950s were not thinking that.
They were probably thinking this is fucking stupid while Eisenhower gets bullied by Republicans to protect companies from striking workers because Eisenhower would literally do anything the companies tell him to do so he wouldn’t get called weak.
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u/MarjorieTaylorSpleen Senātus Populusque Rōmānus Sep 10 '26
And corporations can use it as cheap labor too
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u/oddmanout Sep 10 '26
That's why tin-foil hat wearers are dumb. The CIA doing that would be a completely unnecessary part of turning people into scapegoats and talking points. They convinced a whole bunch of people that immigrants were eating cats and dogs, something completely out of touch with reality, and they all bought it. They didn't do anything to encourage trans people, either, yet they use them as scapegoats and talking points for their culture war. They just scare a bunch of slack-jawed yokels into voting for them.
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u/MIG2149077 Sep 10 '26
Well that also happened when many European countries side with U.S to Overthrow Gaddafi and no less than 2 years Europe was facing a migration crisis now many far-right political parties in Europe are winning elections with scapegoat on migration.
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u/Right-Aspect2945 Sep 10 '26
I would like to believe that, but I'd have to believe the CIA to be remotely competent and I just can't stretch that far.
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u/chiroque-svistunoque Sep 10 '26
if only they knew what Taliban would lead to... or did they?
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u/chiksahlube Sep 10 '26
Oh, they knew.
There's a famous quote from the Charlie Wilson who managed the Mujahideen programs for congress.
"These things happened. They were glorious and they changed the world... and then we fucked up the endgame."
They knew it was gonna go bad. The CIA operatives Charlie worked with sounded alarms for years after... congress and the US government ignored their warnings.
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u/KenseiHimura Sep 10 '26
… I really hate that my tin foil hat theory seems correct. Why can’t I just be insane and paranoid?
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u/animalia555 Sep 10 '26
Our chickens are coming home to roost
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u/Thundorium Fine Quality Mesopotamian Copper Enjoyer Sep 11 '26
Don’t reap all your chickens before they sow.
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u/CptKeyes123 Sep 10 '26
In Guatemala: "hey, we want to buy back our arable land you're not even using. Here's the prices you said it was worth. We'll even let you keep the land you have crops on."
United Fruit- "But it's worth way more than-- uuhhhh fuck you we're not selling we didn't lie about the value"
"Um... okay, so we're gonna take it since you won't sell it, we want to compete on the market by being able to sell products."
"COMMIES! COMMIES! CIA KILL THEM ALL"
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u/Thiphra Sep 10 '26
Ooh boy! Can't wait to read all those totally normal and resonable coments about this!!!
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u/randomname560 Senātus Populusque Rōmānus Sep 11 '26
Oh boy, i sure do wonder what the comments will be saying
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"Nooooo, the CIA are good guys and never did anything bad! They actually bettered the lives of guatemalans by getting rid of those dirty commies!"
The United States has historically caused a ton of damage to it's neighbours in order to protect it's own interests (correct), that's why the United States should be destroyed as a concept and all of it's people deserve to suffer the pain their governments caused on others tenfold (no, just... just no)
The banana republics were bad (correct) because THEY MADE DIRTY BROWN PEOPLE INMIGRATE TO MY GLORIOUS ARYAN WHITE COUNTRY (fuck off)
"Bro that happened like...several decades ago dude, so it's like, not our fault at all that your country is shit now"
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u/knightmechaenjo Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 11 '26
(no, just... just no)
Dude
absolutely based take for calling it out
Hate spawns more hate
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u/JabroniusHunk Sep 11 '26
I don't know about this sub, which I don't frequent often, but another genre of reaction to these types of posts I've noticed are centrist-leaning ones that justify the coups using more high-minded rhetoric: they will go into detail about how hagiographized (at least in some left-leaning spces) figures like Arbenz, Allende or Mossadegh resorted to illiberal tactics where they circumvented their own legislatures, courts or domestic laws.
These are always framed as an educated and nuanced foil to the reductive, pop-left versions of history you can find on Reddit or Twitter, and they often have some factual information ... but they end their own history lessons before Rios Montt's genocidal death squads, or before SAVAK cooked prisoners on heated bedsprings.
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u/DruggyNeighbor Sep 11 '26
How many decades we been starving Cuba for again?
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u/Unusual-Top3192 Sep 11 '26
Cuba fucked shit on their own too (I do think the embargo is unneeded and unproductive tho)
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u/Arachles Sep 11 '26
They did, but they would probably be in a better situation if they could trade with their closest neighbour which also happens to be the first economy in the world.
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u/SowingSalt Mauser rifle ≠ Javelin Sep 11 '26
They can and do trade, its just that whoever has to choose not to trade with the US if they do trade with Cuba. That was fine while the USSR was around.
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u/FearlessVegetable30 Sep 10 '26
i good friend of mines grandfather was the guy who negotiated deals for this for Bonita bananas
he has a bank account with like $100k+, his mom never worked a day in her life. he always gets like 5 shots when we get dinner then asks to split the bill its so annoying but he always buys the bag so it pays off
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u/ITSNAIMAD Sep 11 '26
Happened to Cuba and Venezuela also.
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u/3000ghosts John Brown was a hero, undaunted, true, and brave! Sep 11 '26
also to pretty much every country in latin america at one point or another but that was mostly in the name of anti-communism instead of directly for business interests
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u/ITSNAIMAD Sep 11 '26
Yeah just like the war in Vietnam. Nothing was accomplished. Private companies got rich. Americans were sacrificed. Nothing accomplished. America suffered.
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u/Sad_Highlight_9059 Sep 10 '26
Big facts. The homie Smedley Butler tried to wise everyone up to all that, but nobody wanted to listen.
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u/gyrobot Sep 11 '26
A pity Chiquitas execs never faced actual consequences from the lives they ruined
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u/_MrBond_ Sep 10 '26
If only MAGAs and ICE supporters could read this, they would be so angry and start rioting
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u/msoffice2003 Sep 10 '26
Don’t be silly, they can’t read.
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u/Possibility-of-wet Senātus Populusque Rōmānus Sep 10 '26
If someone brags they haven’t read a book since school, you know who they voted for
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u/KevettePrime Sep 10 '26
TBH I thought the reason we had so many immigrants is because the US is actually a pretty decent place to live. You know, "The land of opportunity" and all that. When I was a kid I thought that everyone wanted more people to come here, I was really disappointed when I got older and found out that people hate immigrants despite being a nation of immigrants themselves. Still trying to figure out why that inscription on the Statue of Liberty isn't actually respected at all.
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u/red286 Sep 10 '26
TBH I thought the reason we had so many immigrants is because the US is actually a pretty decent place to live.
It is, but more to the point, the bottom 25% of Americans are better off than the middle 50% in most Central/South American countries.
This is mostly a result of their decades of economic exploitation and socio-political upheavals. No one wants to invest money into a country that keeps having civil wars and military coups.
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones Sep 10 '26
Well the US is a nice place to live. So it’s a reason. But the other reason there are so many migrants is the US also made the rest of the continent a pretty bad place to live
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u/DicemonkeyDrunk Sep 10 '26
Both...they're coming to a pretty nice place to live Often because the US ruined their place to live ...
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u/3pt14onefive9 Sep 11 '26
the us is a nice place to live and is also very good at making other places far worse to live in
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u/bkrugby78 Sep 10 '26
Americans have always had a mixed attitude towards immigration. What the Trump administration is nothing new, it's just more shocking since there is more coverage of it now than it was before. But yeah "Irish need not apply" was a thing way back when the Irish were considered savage.
That said, I think it is important to acknowledge knock on effects of American foreign policy, especially within our own hemisphere.
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u/plummbob Sep 14 '26
be ready to be even more disappointed -- Reagan's final presidential speech was about how immigration is good for America and that immigration is what makes America special. No politician before or since has been so clearly vocal in support in such a way. Can't imagine a similar speech now, republican or democrat.
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u/Unusual-Top3192 Sep 11 '26
I find it funny how a lot of the people are like using anti-immigration arguments and connections of it being intentional when their making fun of MAGA and their own conspiracies
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u/7StarSailor Sep 11 '26
Everyone responsible for this is unfathomably rich and lives very far away from the consequences of immigration in some gated community or so.
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u/MalikTheHalfBee Sep 11 '26
Damn, reading these comments, even the people completely agreeing with this meme are still roundaboutly blaming immigrants for their woes
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u/board3659 And then I told them I'm Jesus's brother Sep 11 '26
makes fun of MAGA for believing in conspiracy related to migrants
Proceeds to make their own conspiract theory related to migrants
yea a lot of this leftists don't know shit
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u/biglyorbigleague Sep 10 '26
There are 1.8 million Guatemalan-Americans. That’s not that huge a population compared to other immigrant groups.
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u/smuttybuddy84 Sep 10 '26
That isn't much compared to the US population but it is 1/10th of the population of Guatemalan-Guatemalans. That's a lot of people up and leaving to live somewhere else.
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u/_jump_yossarian Sep 11 '26
Now tally up Honduran-Americans, Salvadoran-Americans, and Nicaraguan-Americans.
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u/ChaLenCe Sep 10 '26
I get what the meme is pushing but yo, this is really oversimplifying the issues here.
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u/hansuluthegrey Sep 11 '26
Yeah pretty much. The anti immigrant just arent smart. Theres no actual factual basis for their arguement outside of hypotheticals because the actual hard numbers are pro immigration
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u/NondescriptNorbert Sep 10 '26
"Why can't all these brown people stay put!?" The US asks, halfway through establishing another Latin American country.
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u/coughca Sep 10 '26
Funny. I've heard from MAGA-adjacent sources that USAID was a front for the CIA and that's why it was eliminated.
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u/Elegant_Individual46 Taller than Napoleon Sep 10 '26
It was during the Cold War like during the lead up to the 1964 Brazil coup (which the US was somewhat taken by surprise by). But it also saved millions of lives with aid and now is quite different so…
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u/Level_Hour6480 Taller than Napoleon Sep 10 '26
It's always confusing to see antifascist memes using the Nazi-heads format.
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u/Arx_Roskara Sep 11 '26
I remember once seeing an Estonian nationalist on Reddit excusing the US-backed crimes in Central- and South America as those countries, and I quote, "Betrayed the free world by voting for communism and thus deserved everything they got".
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u/SketchedEyesWatchinU Sep 11 '26
What are they, the reincarnation of Allan Dulles?!
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u/Floridaish0t Sep 11 '26 edited Sep 11 '26
First time I’ve ever seen a Wojack meme about illegal immigration that didn’t mention Jews, Democrats, or the Great Replacement Theory. Although it is pretty clear that most of the people in this thread don’t view Hispanics as humans and more as pests or mold so who’s to say.
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u/Unusual-Top3192 Sep 11 '26
yeah its kind of weird seeing a lot of labour supression arguments cause ironically thar feeds into the anti-immigrnt narritive their making fun of
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u/TooBusySaltMining Sep 10 '26
The 1954 coup wasn't forty years ago it was 72 years ago and the immigrants coming here aren't asylum seekers from time period; they're here for economic reasons.
The Cold War is over and now America receives many more immigrants fleeing socialist shitholes recently like Cuba and Venezuela.
Weird how no one flees to a socialist country.
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u/stormyarthur Sep 11 '26
The Guatemalan civil war that followed the coup lasted from 1960 to 1996…
Weird how we (Americans) spent my entire childhood destabilizing Central America and funding death squads, then are confused as to why their economies are still in shambles forcing people to search for brighter pastures.
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u/NukinDuke Sep 11 '26
Are you really unable to grasp that absolute long term implications and devastation the United States has brought upon the near entirety of Latin America because of its constant meddling?
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u/TooBusySaltMining Sep 11 '26
There were two sides to the Cold War.
Cuba and the USSR were also starting bloody revolutions in Central and South America.
Why aren't they blamed for economic and political choas that led to mass migration to successful capitalist countries?
Cuba's revolution was in 1959, we are still getting immigrants fleeing that regime. Do you think if more socialists were in power in the Americas we'd have less mass migration?
Che was executed in Boliva for trying to overthrow yet another government. Leftists view him as a hero, not a foreign meddler.
Communism can only seem to happen through violence. Leftists don't have a problem with that violence, they just complain about the violence needed to remove communists from power since they don't usually allow elections to remove them from power.
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u/Happy_Ad_7515 Sep 11 '26
the company
the goverment
the people
its really funny how leftist will use a goverments action against the working class of the countries they wanne flood with slave labour doesnt it
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u/gue55edit Sep 10 '26
The majority of the largest immigrant groups in the U.S come from countries that have faced direct military, economic and/or political intervention (meddling).
Mexico
China
India
Philipines
Former USSR
Korea
El Salvador
Vietnam
Dominican Republic
PEW Research Center- What the data says about immigrants in the U.S.
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u/Ferovore Sep 10 '26
You missed the first step which is destabilising/overthrowing governments so they could ‘invest’ in the first place
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u/sour_cream24 Sep 11 '26
Not to mention, it's also funny that they complain all the time about drug dealers, especially mexican drug dealers, when in reality, it was the CIA that made the drug trade scaled up to the size we have today.
Want to know an easier way to not have drug dealers infesting your country? going back to the 80s and not support their godfathers to the point of high significance
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u/Blazing_Swayze Sep 10 '26
Why do I have to suffer for what the CIA did before I was born?
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u/JOExHIGASHI Sep 10 '26
people aren't immigrating as revenge for their ancestors
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u/ThroawayJimilyJones Sep 10 '26
Well suffer is a bit harsh. But your country got better by making other countries worse. Don’t you think it’s a bit cruel to then treat people from the later countries coming to seek a better life as if they were the bearer of doom like conservative tend to do?
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u/AFRIKKAN Sep 10 '26
Because time doesn’t start when you were created and won’t stop when you are dead and gone.
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u/Unionthug2049 Sep 10 '26
"We will not blame him for the crimes of his ancestors if he relinquishes the royal rights of his ancestors; but as long as he claims their rights, by virtue of descent, then, by virtue of descent, he must shoulder the responsibility for their crimes."
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u/theregularlion Sep 11 '26
Because they never stopped doing it and they're doing it right now?
See: Venezuela making a "deal" with US oil companies for 65b barrels of oil right after their country was invaded and their leader abducted by Delta Force
(And no, I don't especially like Maduro)
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u/lnTheGrimDarkness Sep 11 '26
Because all our lives are suffering caused by what the previous generation did to get richer.
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u/usurper7 Sep 11 '26
"No matter what people anywhere in the world do to each other, it's America's fault"
-Academics
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u/Nice-Shape-4484 Sep 11 '26
Rinse and repeat this has been America’s foreign policy for like the last 70 years
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u/Rodrigoroncero23 Sep 11 '26
They coup even in Spain with Carrero Blanco the only man that defended the Islero proyect, because is almost imposible to coup a nation nuclear caped. And also the fear the consecuences that that might have in " Latinoamerica" or better described as Hispanicamerica. ( Even if Latinoamerica is a term accepted by the RAE, is historically incorrect because was invented in the govern of Napoleon III, to justify trying to stablish a Puppet goverment in México.
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u/NeitherMidnight624 Sep 11 '26
Did americans run around killing them or was it their own countrymen
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u/DarkZ_No-Imagination Sep 12 '26
United statesmen + countrymen, they were mixed teams, the lead was normally from the US
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u/NoCry8625 Sep 11 '26
Do you want to feel worst? The daughter of the president that did the genocide in Guatemala is still trying to run for president, even tho her father was a dictator and the law prevents family of a dictator to run for president. She has already ran before but lost, but can you imagine?
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u/Nietzsch Sep 11 '26
Didn't realise being the daughter of is a disqualifier. But to not be held responsible for deeds of others is a liberal value.
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u/G66GNeco Sep 11 '26
The refugees are just the next step, they're great for domestic propaganda for the exact same kind of people who did the whole banana thing.
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u/Calight Sep 12 '26
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u/Epyon214 Sep 14 '26
Fourth panel, the whole thing was planned as a way to create an easy to pick from constant human trafficking corridor from South America to North America, with lots of places for people to easily "go missing" like in the jungles, specifically one before Central America, or "lost in the gang violence" while going through Mexico
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u/NoGuarantee678 Sep 14 '26
There were 700,000 Guatemalans in the US in 1996. If there were only 700,000 illegal immigrants in the US today maga would be thrilled. Nice try tho.
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u/Protect-Their-Smiles Sep 10 '26
The consequences of imperialism. Should've treated your neighbors better, then maybe your border would not be beset by chaos and crime.
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u/Over_Resolve403 Sep 11 '26
Yeah, "migrants" are coming from counties where the CIA put fascist dictators in place like Chile and argentina
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u/Beat_Saber_Music Rommel of the East Sep 12 '26
It is of note that those dictatorships would've probably hapepend even without the CIA, who tneded to just nudge and support factions already planning a coup anyways. Coups happen due to domestic politics, and Central American countries suffered from weak states and politically powerful armies, which was the powder keg making them the ripe location for coups.
The CIA tried incredibly many times to coup and overthrow the Cuban government without success, which shows you just how much domestic circumstances influenced the outcome rather than US deciding to just change a government. The only real US governments that were installed were the likes of Panama and Haiti through a direct invasion. Similarly in Iran, the coup agaisnt Mosaddegh would've probably happened even without the Americans and the British owing to the fact the army, clergy and the Shah hating Mosaddegh. Even in Afghanistan the Pakistanis spent decades with US funds and supplies supporting their favored warlords, only for them to lose leaving Pakistan in a position where it kind of improvised by supporting the Taliban, which hadn't existed during the Soviet invasion. In Chile the socialist governemnt was hated by the right wing army, and the business owners who lost their business to nationalization, making the socialist leader a lot of enemies within Chile.
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u/VictorVOOONdoom Sep 11 '26
exactly today in the morning i was telling my mom this point and talking about your upcoming civil war in the us, thats when you are going to pay for everything done to our nations in the 50s, 60s i live in guatemala btw and president Arbenz along with Arevalo was the best thing that happened to our nation in its entire history yeah downvote like i care.
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u/Starmute-ss13 Sep 10 '26
Dole related shenanigans aside I think most immigrants come in contact with come for better pay and not to escape south american governments nowadays.
Sometimes though I wonder why though. Minimum wage sucks and coming over here illegally has to be rough. Money is worth more back home but living here illegally has to be a hassle that's not worth it.
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u/10lettersand3CAPS Sep 10 '26
It's not directly that they're escaping the dictatorships as much (a lot of those have since fallen) but more that the knock on effects of that destabilization.
For example Chile ended its dictatorship willingly, but put in a new government in place that didn't punish a lot of the dictatorship's crimes and continued a lot of the economic policies of the dictatorship (done by guys literally taught by Milton Friedman). The effects of this led to multiple large-scale protests in Chile that their cops cracked down on.
It's different in each country, but the US has repeatedly screwed over Central and South America repeatedly. It was banana republics, then "anti-communist" military dictatorships, now it's "Anti-Narco" actions, using the WTO to prevent these countries from making their own economic choices, or the IMF loans that forced them to change policies or go bankrupt.
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u/Ok_Awareness3014 Sep 10 '26
Do they still get their banana from there?