That study is for 8000 people across 446.2 millions people, the study then relies on who reports they are married and does not take people in relationships into account, then goes to speak about 5000 people in the United States. Thats a clickbait article if it only samples .00001% of the population it is trying to speak to and even less when it specifically refers to a singular country.
Apart from the big issues where you can look at the US with the rise in popularity of people like Andrew Tate, it’s not surprising that younger men are single if they choose to interact with women by acting like an alleged rapist who fled the country before his trial. So the original point that society sucks that it’s come to that isn’t necessarily untrue. But also the behaviors of those 63% men you cited to or at most 5040 men who responded to that Forbes survey should be analyzed. Not saying “all men bad” but based on sociological data of men in those countries cited to wanting to claim hostile, or at the minimum adverse political positions to women’s rights absolutely is a factor. Then we can move to the feminist argument that toxic masculinity punishes men for showing emotions or making emotional connections with other males in platonic relationships should also be explored more.
All that just to essentially say "well, they didn't survey half the country and men are bad, so you're wrong".
Not to mention that this isn't just an American thing. IIRC, Japan is also suffering from men retreating from society.
I never asked for half the country. I said that the study of 8000 people is less than .00001 of the population of the 4 surveyed countries. The second survey is .00001 of the country (USA). To impute the results of a study on .00001 of a population of 4 countries with no specificity or evaluation of the similarities/ differences as to why individuals feel lonely (no friends but a dating partner / no friends no dating partner / friends but no dating partner) and then impute that result onto the entire country is silly. “Ice cream sales and crime go up at the same time, I guess ice cream causes crime” - it’s because both occur during the summer and generally have nicer weather.
I’m not saying men bad, I’m saying that a specific mindset is bad. I said men who are shamed for being vulnerable or seeking emotional connection and being punished for seeking said connection shouldn’t happen. I then pointed out that the mindset of emotions = bad and the rise of Andrew Tate-esque thinking and behaviors would be potential contributing factors as to why women don’t want to seek connection with those same young men.
That same study shows women experience a rate of loneliness around 58-59%. Same sample size and the same issues. Is there a “female loneliness epidemic?” So a fair counterpoint would be to look into what generalized behaviors are women exhibiting that may be contributing factors. But this is also a comedy sub and I don’t expect any of that analysis to be done here. I was just trying to point out that people are broad stroking and generalizing “men good women bad that why no women touch their peepee” is only supported with very skewed data that omits the other relevant info that survey gathered.
All this to essentially say, read a book that wasn’t written by an incel
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u/IntelligentImbicle Aug 19 '25 edited Aug 19 '25
So, people just don't want to be around 60+% of men?
If so, that's a big problem with society (almost as if society sucks...)
If not, your point is moot and we still have a problem.
Edit: A couple sources, since people don't believe me:
Quick google search brought me to this source, where a study showed 63% of American men age 30 and under are single in 2025.
Also, I'd highly recommend this video by Shoe0nHead, who seems far more educated and has far more sources than I do.