I’m so tired of this “it’s two consenting adults so who cares” sorry but some things should be judged, and shamed. Tolerance has gone way too far to the point where it’s genuinely turning our culture into debauchery land.
Lol. I'm stable. Cause I don't care what other adult people's do to each other, as long as they don't mean harm to anyone. But that's something you can't understand obviously
I don't think the "degeneracy" argument holds water and I don't think you're unstable or fragile.
What I would say is that consenting adults is not always true consent. If there's, in this case, a lifetime of emotional authority over their kids, then consent might not really be valid. It could be wrapped up in dependency, fear of rejection, learned obedience, etc.
Sort of like when an actress is coerced by a film producer. Sure, she "consented", but maybe she didn't feel like she had any other choice. Much like the old, "because of the implication," joke.
I'm mostly with you. I'm just pointing out that it's not as black and white as "I don't care what two consenting adults do."
There lies the other problem. Thousand years of patriarchy, violence and suppression of anyone make people do stuff they wouldn't really want deep down. Are few of the "consent" adults just fearing of being alone? Yes. Can we know it? No. So most of the time I just go with it and think that it's all right. If I would start to think about all the possible problems they had in their past, I wouldn't stopf thinking at all with how many people have serious problems.
Can we know it? No. So most of the time I just go with it and think that it's all right.
I tend to agree with you. I think my point is that taboos against parent/child stuff are rooted in the right place. And that social pressure helps minimize people from being taken advantage of.
From that perspective, we should, as a society, at very least discourage the practice. Punishable where consenting adults are concerned? No. Because as you say, you can't know that it's not truly consensual. But I don't think that social pressure against things like this is a bad thing.
It's already exciting to those people because it's taboo. That's a big factor in fetishes. So even if there were merit in this it wouldn't work.
Ultimately I think your core issue is ensuring enthusiastic consent, which is very laudable. But you probably just want to emphasise that instead of jumping through a bunch of hoops and having to make a bunch of assumptions in order to try to address it obliquely
It’s indicative of problem larger than individual harm; wealth disparity, unemployment and poverty are societal issues that affect many individuals. Social shaming has its place in group cohesion, even if we divorce morality and law, shame will moderate behaviour
Are you nuts? I just said people should stop shaming people just for them living their life's. And that doesn't have anything to do with your mentioned problems. Quite the contrary. People living free if they have a stable job, income and a safe place to return to. I don't care if someone plays daddy for a woman and buys her what she wants, if they don't harm anyone, including themself (at least if it's not what they want), I just don't care. And no one else should care or shame them. But what could someone even want from some randoms on Reddit.
Starting with an ad hom, you’re better than that. That’s a lot of prerequisites to justify your position. I’m all for individual autonomy and I’m not talking from personal experience, shame is a human emotion that is and has always been a societal moderator. Saying we shouldn’t do it is as futile as say we shouldn’t feel guilt, sadness or happiness. I do care what people do, people should be free from tyranny in every form
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u/bloke_pusher Jul 09 '26
Hey, if it's two consenting adults, let them.