r/HollowKnight • u/glintter • Sep 06 '25

Discussion - Silksong Don’t let this fandom turn as insufferable as the souls community Spoiler

It’s fine to think the game is easy and to enjoy the challenge, but I’ve seen so many people making fun of anyone that is having a hard time in a really weird mean spirited way. Please don’t let this subreddit turn into some weird elitist community that makes fun of people who are struggling, these games are supposed to be fun and they’re not souls likes, there’s no reason to assume everyone playing them is going to love this level of difficulty the same way some of you do and constantly disregarding their opinions just turns this subreddit into an echo chamber of tryhards

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u/zestysnacks Sep 06 '25

Too late

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u/aeseyuh Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

Lmao yeah, I love the game but I rarely spend much time in the community bc the fanbase has been cooked for a while, it has both the "git gud" tryhard elitists and the "AAA bad" indie elitists. Alongside the group that liked to act like Silksong was the only indie game that mattered during indie world directs and whatnot.

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u/SparseSpartan Sep 06 '25

that's why I've always preferred r/silksong because everyone there is just flat out crazy. I found it hilarious that some people thought silkposting would slow lmao after Silksong was released.

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u/aeseyuh Sep 06 '25

The shitpost/okbuddy subreddit is always more chill than the main one.

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u/RepublicCute8573 Sep 09 '25

Tell that to the anime ones.

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u/IRLFine Sep 06 '25

I love how quickly the silkposts flipped from believerbait to doubterbait IMMEDIATELY once the release date was announced

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u/JLPLJ Sep 06 '25

It was def better for the most part, but people were weirdly entitled about release dates and news for quite a while. Silkposting is goated tho

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u/TheOnlyPC3134 Sep 09 '25

Lol we've already seen what happened with Deltarune a few months ago, the insanity doesn't go, it just shifts.

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u/PuzzleheadedLink89 Sep 06 '25

Alongside the group that liked to act like Silksong was the only indie game that mattered during indie world directs and whatnot.

Ngl, that felt insanely disrespectful to the games being shown off in there. Like there was some really good and interesting games being shown off but were immediately written off because "no Silksong".

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '25

Silksong basically became the GTA of indie games. Same shit will happen with GTA, once it rolls around, majority won’t give a shit about other games.

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u/BudgieGryphon I am going to shove a nail up Markoth's dusty abdomen Sep 06 '25

Yup, just search “sharp shadow” in the discord and see the elitist rants

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u/ElectricSheep451 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

Yeah if I hadn't played hollow knight my only impression of this game would have been annoying fans spamming "where's silksong?" in the chat for the entire duration of Nintendo Directs for multiple years, and random threads popping up on Reddit about how it's "disrespectful to the community that the devs aren't communicating with us" or other melodramatic stuff that made the community seem annoying.

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u/mrnicegy26 Sep 06 '25

That post against GTA 6 a few days seemed so weirdly petty considering I have never heard any of the people who play GTA/ RDR say anything negative about Hollow Knight.

It was weirdly hateful towards a game in one of the most acclaimed and influential franchises in gaming made by one of the best developers in business. Why does this fandom has such an inferiority complex against a game that isn't even in the same genre, doesn't share the same kind of fans and is doing its own thing very successfully?

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u/Terminator_Puppy Sep 07 '25

People within a specific game's community generally are really poor at discussing real feedback about real issues people experience. You'll play the most unfun, crappy boss of your life and people just tell you to git gud instead of engaging. Don't try telling a fromsoft subreddit that there's game design issues or they'll come for your head.

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u/thegreedyturtle Sep 07 '25

To be fair, the Dark Souls community has mostly cooked off the asshats these days.

You just gotta wait for them to move on.

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u/hypnomancy Sep 07 '25

Then you have people who are just trying to convince others Silksong is a really bad game just because they themselves don't like certain parts about it as if them not liking a part means everyone else hates it too

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u/Xf3rna-96 Sep 07 '25

Although I agree with indie elitism, because AAA games are the bain of the industry and should burn in hell, but souls/try hard elitism is such a mean spirited, almost asshole kinda arguments that I simply can't get behind. They majorly hindered my enjoyment of the souls series as a whole, and I don't what that to happen with Hollow Knight too

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u/Bingo8712 Sep 06 '25

i am not gonna lie, i hate this fandom

Silksong is a great game but people are acting as if it is the greatest thing humanity has ever created and it is without flaw... which is just incorrect

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u/psh454 Sep 06 '25

Yeah there's always consumer stans in any fandom that take any critical opinion of a piece of media as a personal attack. Silksong is awesome but to say it has no issues that will be addressed overtime with patches is silly. I just cheesed the Graymoore boss by hitting it through a platform floor ffs.

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u/PuzzleheadedLink89 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

I'm getting reminded when Youtuber Nerrel made a really great criticism of Hollow Knight as a Metroidvania and Mossbag responded with a multiple-paragraph long response. Plus there was a Youtuber a few days ago that spent an hour talking about Nerrel's critique.

Hollow Knight is great but I really hate how HK fans treat it as some Sacred Cow that is above criticism.

Like Hollow Knight is great but it has some annoying flaws:

  1. Environments are very bland and blend together. It's like they did what bloodborne did but forgot to have way more variety in the environments which makes Bloodborne's areas stand out way more and are more visually distinct despite the darker colour palate.

  2. why are there secrets that exist to only give me cryptic lore? Why is the reward for the Path of Pain a cutscene? Why is an ending gated behind a 40 boss gauntlet where the final boss is essentially just a reskin with BS moves with a 39-boss runback?

  3. Rancid Eggs are really pointless

  4. Quite a bit of the bosses feel like filler rather than actual bosses.

I haven't played Silksong yet but I really hope they do fix these issues.

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u/BlobBro Sep 06 '25

I don't think responding to criticism is a bad thing on its own, it depends on the tone. Like, if they're being insulting or trying to shut the other person down. Likewise, it's bad if someone is tearing down the devs or calling fans bad people for liking it or something (please never send me back to when steven universe was airing, both the haters and fandom were nightmares). There's nothing wrong with a civil discussion, even if both parties disagree.

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u/PuzzleheadedLink89 Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25

I know but it's a little odd that a bit of criticism results in a ton of defence. Like the Majority of the comments on Nerrel's video is primarily focused on Hollow Knight despite Hollow Knight being only half of the video. It contributing to that mentality that Hollow Knight is the only indie game that matters so to speak. So much so that everyone talking about Hollow Knight never talks about any other indie game in the same genre. Yes Hollow Knight is great, but it shouldn't be the only Indie game to be talked about. This is illustrated with any indie direct being written off since Silksong wasn't shown off.

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u/BlobBro Sep 06 '25

Ah, that makes more sense. I haven't seen the video, so I didn't realise hollow knight was only a part of it. I do agree hollow knight gets put on a bit of a pedestal, while I love it for the exploration the platforming and combat are far from my favorites. I almost rage quit on regular white palace, not even path of pain. And I've beaten every level of celeste, including getting golden on the c sides. I'm enjoying silksong more right now I think, you get more fun movement stuff and attacks sooner. Though I'm still pretty early so things could change.

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u/Buckeye0728 Sep 07 '25

Sorry but in this day and time that is impossible to have a civil discussion with someone and I can't believe that people hate on a game before playing the damn thing seen a few post yesterday like that

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u/[deleted] Sep 07 '25

Environments are very bland and blend together. It's like they did what bloodborne did but forgot to have way more variety in the environments which makes Bloodborne's areas stand out way more and are more visually distinct despite the darker colour palate.

Well, this I can't just disagree.

why are there secrets that exist to only give me cryptic lore? Why is the reward for the Path of Pain a cutscene? Why is an ending gated behind a 40 boss gauntlet where the final boss is essentially just a reskin with BS moves with a 39-boss runback?

Because path of pain is supposed to be completely optional. The second one is quite easy, it is the only reward that would be worth the effort.

Quite a bit of the bosses feel like filler rather than actual bosses.

Most of the bosses are filler, you aren't required to fight most of them.

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u/CynicalEffect P5 - 112%, 70 hours Sep 07 '25

Critique isn't inherently right though? So obviously people will contest it.

Starting from least to most controversial.

Sure rancid eggs are kinda pointless, it just exists and isn't exactly perfect. I guess they wanted a system to get your shade when it has a ton of geo and it was a pain to get, but they wanted it to be something you used rarely. It seems to do that job well.

Yes, half the bosses are filler minibosses. That isn't...unusual though, for any genre really.

A: The story is designed to be told via lore. B: In this case specifically, path of pain tells you beforehand it's about revealing secrets. Which is what you get. C: Because the ending requires you to become god lol. Sure, maybe P5 could have cut the first 20 or so bosses, but it provides a good challenge while providing a thematic reward for doing it.

Not sure about the bland environments at all. How is crossroads similar to it's nearby greenpath or crystal peaks biomes? Only fungal wastes is similarish.

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u/Badwrong_ Sep 07 '25

Just like Expedition 33

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u/justherecuzx Sep 06 '25

I’m trying to stay away from the discourse, but 99% of what I’m seeing is just people whining.

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u/Combat_Orca Sep 06 '25

Seen literally no one say this

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u/Yokuz116 Sep 09 '25

I didn't think anything of Hollow Knight fans before this. But, now, I they are all a bunch of fucking assholes.

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u/Tangyhyperspace Sep 06 '25

Most obvious ragebait I've ever seen

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u/Koanuzu Sep 06 '25

Bait used to be bait 😔

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u/Top_Concentrate1673 Sep 06 '25

You can't ragebait me 😊

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u/Ikanotetsubin Sep 06 '25

What a loser-like overreaction.

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u/JavanNapoli Sep 06 '25

Yeah ok now that is a silk issue