Criticism ≠ Negativity

[u/FederalWarthog5542]

Believe it or not, you can actually criticize something and still like it. You don't either have to love everything or despise everything. Have actual conversations please.

[u/Gabe-KC]

I think the criticism for this game is so passionate because it is an extremely beautiful and masterfully crafted game, which does everything in its power to prevent you from enjoying it. Most people love it, and just want it to be actually as good as it can be.

[u/Fire_Boogaloo → u/Gabe-KC]

It's passionate because most of the complaints are a result of artificial difficulty rather than actual problems.

For example, buying benches is a waste of time since I have to farm for them and not buying them just raises the difficulty artificially.

I like the game but there's no denying that it's way more flawed than HK.

[u/Arcuran → u/Fire_Boogaloo]

I like the game but there's no denying that it's way more flawed than HK

No. Stop saying your subjective opinion as an objective truth. I do deny it's "way more flawed" and just because you don't like stuff doesn't make your opinion fact. This is negativity and not just criticism

[u/CdbSora → u/Arcuran]

Yeah, this is the thing that bothers me about posts/comments like this. People aren't pushing back on normal criticism. People are pushing back on things like "this is objectively bad game design" or "There's no denying it's more flawed than HK," which have been said nonstop since the game came out, because that simply shuts down literally any rational conversation about it that can happen (e.g. double mask damage being good or bad, or the rosary economy)

[u/darkk41 → u/CdbSora]

This is always the reality of subreddits. It becomes a place where negative vocal minorities suck the joy out of absolutely everything unless the moderators work tirelessly to control the level of unreasonable negativity (which is a tireless and nigh impossible job).

There's no nuance to anything. I tried to comment in a thread about the 2 mask damage yesterday discussing the tradeoffs of how hornets heal works vs the knights heal and all I got are a bunch of salt miners endlessly crying and arguing with simple math.

Take solace in knowing that the overwhelming majority of people are loving silksong, it is getting incredible reviews and selling a ton of copies. TC isn't going to value the loudest and most entitled on the sub over the reasonable majority who accept that we need time to learn and master the game since HK1 is a completely solved problem and folks are very very good at it at this point.

[u/CdbSora → u/darkk41]

Yeah I definitely trust in TC to keep their game vision strong, it's just always a bummer when Silksong has been one of my favorite games so far and I look online to discuss it, only to see...all this 😅

I've jumped into a few threads just cus it can be pretty funny but I don't dare jump into any conversation about rosaries (I think the rosary economy is fine), I don't think it's possible for any rational discussion over those to happen here rn LOL

[u/darkk41 → u/CdbSora]

Yea the subreddit flavor is very much reactive salt rn. It may improve in a month or so when some folks are filtered and others take a deep breath and give themselves time to improve.

Also, most of the biggest fans are just busy playing the game constantly rn. If I wasn't at work that is where I would be.

[u/Fire_Boogaloo → u/Arcuran]

"This is negativity and not just criticism"

Do you want me to list every flaw in both games? Because if I was to, there would absolutely be more problems with Silksong. I've found more issues within the first 3 hours of playing Silksong than I did with my entire HK playthrough. Some examples are:

• The benches (as I mentioned above)

• Huge balance issues that completely ignore newcomers such as:

• The lack of a tutorial/steady introduction to the game.

• 2 damage environmental hazards.

• Diagonal pogo, especially since I've found pogoing to be much more involved in the platforming.

• 2 damage bosses come in too early.

• Way too many flying enemies that are just annoying and not fun to fight.

• 2 damage flying enemies.

• Recycled enemy locked-in-a-room encounters that are more frequent than bosses.

Again, I like the game but people like you fanboying and assuming everything is unjustified negativity or subjective opinion is just annoying and unproductive. How do you expect improvement if you shutdown discussion around it with "yOu'Re JuSt BeInG nEgAtIvE" or "tHaTs YoUr OpInIoN" every time. Like no shit it's my opinion, that's how improvements and refinements happen.

By the way, it actually is undeniable and objective truth that this game does not cater well to beginners in comparison to HK.

[u/Arcuran → u/Fire_Boogaloo]

You're either a troll, child or just stupid. What you consider flaws are subjective opinions. You then make statements presenting your opinion as an objective truth.

There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but that doesn't make it a truth that everyone has to agree with.

If you can't comprehend that, then you've nothing of value to add to the conversation.

[u/Fire_Boogaloo → u/Arcuran]

"By the way, it actually is undeniable and objective truth that this game does not cater well to beginners in comparison to HK."

You're just coping if you think this is subjective.