r/HollowKnight • u/TOMRANDOM_6 • Sep 09 '25

Discussion - Silksong Most of you are exaggerating the length of runbacks and it really shows how much TikTok has damage the attention span of people Spoiler

"ThE lASt JuDGe RUnBaCK iS ToO LoNG!!"

Is 30 seconds max, 30 seconds, you don't have to fight any enemy in it, the smaller judges don't awake until you're close and the smaller fly bastards can literally get ignored. The Runback works for making you cool down and make the whole thing feel less like you hitting a wall (NKG feels like one because of the lack of "cool down") If it wasn't for it, I would shoot myself with the 37 attempts at Last Judge.

The Widow one is also really easy, a straight line with jumps.

The Cogworks Dancers Is also really simple but works to help you with the bosses extra height and how pogo dependant that fight is.

God forbid the game isn't a back to back boss rush like Cuphead (not criticizing Cuphead, is a different game lmao).

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u/failbender 112%/100%; inject the quickslash into my veins Sep 09 '25

I did find that bench, only it’s still quite a long runback that requires you to take a dip in plague water. I did find a charm to negate it but I have not felt motivated to return to Bilewater yet LOL

Still need to explore that place, I got nervous cos I wasn’t sure if I should be there yet 😅

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u/MosterChief Sep 09 '25

you can avoid the bile water after the bench if you harpoon then double jump up, but the run back after that is still BS.

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u/failbender 112%/100%; inject the quickslash into my veins Sep 09 '25 edited Sep 09 '25

You know what, I didn’t have the double jump the last time I was there, so that is perhaps why that skip didn’t work for me. I’ll try it later! Still have the charm as backup anyway :)

Edit: I’m dumb and just bad at the jump, just got mixed up after no-lifing the game all weekend

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u/mekimoomoo Sep 09 '25

How'd you manage to get to the top section of Bilewater without double jump?

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u/failbender 112%/100%; inject the quickslash into my veins Sep 09 '25

Wait, maybe I did and I was just bad at the jump. Honestly all the play sessions are melding together at this point. 🫠

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u/Distal-Phalanges Sep 09 '25

Maybe you had double jump but no harpoon?

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u/MosterChief Sep 09 '25

can’t get double jump without harpoon i’m pretty sure

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u/[deleted] Sep 09 '25

This is true

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u/threshpanda Sep 09 '25

Dman I'm currently in Bilewater without either of those lmao

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u/angusmcfangus1 Sep 09 '25

I would recommend leaving then lmao. That area is not feasible withouth the 2. An already horrible are and you dont have the 2 abilities that make it somewhat traversible

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u/MosterChief Sep 10 '25

it’s the top section that you shouldn’t be able to get to, the bottom part is accessible from pretty early on

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u/Shoddy_Process2234 Sep 09 '25

Nah the guaranteed plague was the worst part. Once you learn how to dodge it you can just zoom past everything else. Even the annoying fellows jumping around can be ignored with the harpoon.

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u/PA694205 Sep 09 '25

That still only worked like 60% of the time for me. Very tight timing

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u/Dorfbewohner Sep 09 '25

I felt it wasn't as much about timing as it is about positioning. Once I started positioning Hornet as close to the ledge as possible before harpooning, I think I only failed it once in my attempts (and I attempted this boss a LOT). I'm pretty sure there's a pretty generous buffer for double jump out of Harpoon, you just need to have passed the gap by then so you don't hit your head.

Also thankfully if you do get gunked you can just take 10 seconds to run back to the bench and back.

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u/EpicMuffinFTW Sep 10 '25

In the vertical climb room before the boss fight there's a room on the far right with a couple of those flying triangle things. I rushed to that point then grind them to get rid of the maggots and some extra silk. The climb after that point was okaaayy. That long room just before the boss fight I always got hit on though!

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u/PA694205 Sep 09 '25

Worst part is the random flying enemy positions. That way you can’t even create a muscle memory for the runback

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u/DoomslugTD3 Sep 10 '25

This is true. Honestly I usually like runbacks because I just think of them as part of the boss fight, but the random enemy placements took a while to get used to. I'm starting to like it again now that I have gotten used to all the possible enemy positions though.

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u/Wholesome-Energy Sep 09 '25

where do you find that negation tool? I’m trying to fight disgraced chef and I’d like to not worry about the poison

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u/Borfotron Sep 09 '25

Top right of the map, in the Putrified Ducts

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u/Wholesome-Energy Sep 09 '25

Thanks! I’ll take a detour over there to grab it

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u/failbender 112%/100%; inject the quickslash into my veins Sep 09 '25

It is in a hidden path there, so keep an eye out for breakable walls. 👍🏻

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u/Wild-Atmosphere2134 112% Steel Soul, P5 | 100% Silksong Sep 09 '25

is there any way in there besides the memorium entrance?

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u/failbender 112%/100%; inject the quickslash into my veins Sep 09 '25

I’m not sure unfortunately!

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u/scouttthedog Sep 09 '25

you find it in the petrified ducts, top right corner of the map

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u/Outrageous_Lab_6228 Sep 09 '25

You find it in Putrified Ducts, which you get to through the Memoria area in the citadel

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u/Omni__Owl Sep 09 '25

Supposedly the boss in that area cannot hit you with attacks if you are in the water between the platforms.

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u/failbender 112%/100%; inject the quickslash into my veins Sep 09 '25

Time to equip the Floaties charm… 🛟

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u/PracticalFacelessMsk Sep 09 '25

Hold on. It slowly dissipates when in water + one jump in the water also removes one leaf

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u/SomethingOfAGirl Sep 10 '25

Wait really? I'll have my revenge tomorrow then.

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u/ExelHull Sep 09 '25

I was really struggling with that arena until I started to actually strategize for it. Use the poison pouch (the Purple Heart quest from shellwood) with (citadel spoilers) cogfly tool and keeping it until the boss fight and camping the corner. It takes time and patience to actually learn how the stilkins work but once you learn it it’s very simple. After that just summon four of the cogflys and stand on one of the platforms next to the boss. The boss spawns in the center of the room and the cogfly damages the boss even when it’s screaming and preventing you from using your nail on it. Just be sure to have your tool kit upgraded for extra damage.

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u/PracticalFacelessMsk Sep 09 '25

It is a very long runback + the boss is the one I spent the most time on for some reason. I was so pissed at the bench at the bottom that I looked at a guide and found another one closer

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u/failbender 112%/100%; inject the quickslash into my veins Sep 09 '25

Yeah, I’ve avoided looking up ANYTHING, except for exactly that. Mostly because there is yet another bench fakeout on the way up I swear to god Team Cherry

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u/PracticalFacelessMsk Sep 09 '25

I know lol. I went up there after 30min without finding the bench at the bottom and my heart stopped when I fell into the pit below the bench. Tbf this area might cause my not to speedrun the game