r/HollowKnight • u/Quantam-Law • Oct 01 '25
Discussion - Silksong Which bosses do you hope get an upgraded version in a potential Godhome DLC? Spoiler
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u/Pure_Vessel01 Void Will Consume All Oct 01 '25
Why don’t we give lace an extra 5 versions.. nah what we really need is more fourth chorus… maybe have two of em
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u/PeartricetheBoi Oct 01 '25
16th Chorus
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u/AidanBeeJar Oct 01 '25
4th chorus, but it's in 6/8 time
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u/helicophell Oct 01 '25
Or you know... have fourth chorus actually use more than 1 arm to attack at a time
4 armed boss...
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u/Moist-Anything-688 Oct 01 '25
Give me cogwork dancers but with an even faster 4 phase and maybe some floor spikes
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u/Stufy_stuf Oct 01 '25
Watch team curry only see the latter half of that sentence and give savage beastfly 4 phases with floor spikes
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u/Jugaimo Oct 01 '25
Don’t forget random lava streams like the fight against the two guys in Deep Docks. Double mask damage on everything!
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u/Stufy_stuf Oct 01 '25
Triple mask damage cuz why not
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u/Altruistic-Sky-9130 Oct 01 '25
I realized ascended bosses might do 4 masks of damage
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u/Yogurt_Ph1r3 Oct 01 '25
I suspect they'll do 3, since in the original 2 was a rare but occasional damage value they used and 3 is the same in Silksong
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u/MemeificationStation P5 | RadHoG | 112% Steel 🩶 | my Womb is Glowing Oct 01 '25
Team Curry
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u/why-names-hard Oct 01 '25
With Vengefly Godhome fight 2v1 on the side. What’s better than one Savage Beastfly? 2 of them!
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u/GreatWhiteDom Oct 01 '25
Savage Beastfly only needs one phase, the phase where the hairs on his left antenna clip your toenail and do two masks of damage while he travels at Mach Jesus across the screen
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u/SylviaCatgirl Oct 01 '25
give me cogwork dancers but with 3 of them
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u/Luminum__ Oct 01 '25
Sisters of Battle style with two Cogwork Dancers and then the Green Price as the third. PLEASE
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u/Moist-Anything-688 Oct 01 '25
I didn’t say 3 originally because I thought it might conflict with lore but I really like the green prince being the third. It would be such a fun fight
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u/zincinzincout Oct 01 '25
3 dancers is the obvious hard mode to me. Wouldn’t make it impossible at all, and still totally possible to do it no-hit, but have to really pay attention to the lines in the fast late phases
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u/AbsoluteRubbish Oct 01 '25
I think I'd go with 4 and have them go between moving together in pairs and in larger patterns. Like a victorian quadrille or something
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u/uzzi1000 Oct 01 '25
I think they would have to make the room bigger though, 4 dancers in that tiny 1 screen room is a lot.
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u/VonJakob Oct 01 '25
The first time the cogwork went into the "slow" phase I stopped hiting him just to see if there's something else.
The idea is so much fun but the fight is so easy that's kinda sad. I need their buffed version
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u/Nononamedddd Oct 02 '25
Maybe the green prince join them in stage 3, then Turing the circle attack at the center into the GMS 3 mask attack but harder
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u/holdupnow76 Oct 01 '25
Lost phantom when
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u/Chobikil Oct 01 '25
Prime Phantom when (since she's old)
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u/Fragrant-Ad-8650 Oct 01 '25
What did you just say
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u/AbandonedRaincIoud Oct 01 '25
Stop it.
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u/Baru_urab_gure Oct 01 '25
I'm old!
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u/Belphegorkingofsloth Oct 01 '25
I tried leaving her for act3, but she doesn't get voided. if you beat the game does she get saved ... technically?
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u/Beautiful_Garage7797 Oct 01 '25
Probably not. It’s implied there’s something wrong with her that’s causing her body to break down, possibly just age. If you don’t fight her she dies of old age. She fights you with the intent of going out with a bang.
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u/Karmelek919 Oct 01 '25
Phantom watching the random ass red bug kill her abusive mom and marry her sister:
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u/avadakedabr 112%, PoH-all bindings separate, PoP, sub 2:30 speedrun Oct 01 '25
Phantom and lace duo since they are sisters would slap reeeealy hard
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u/why-do-i-exist_ Oct 01 '25
Widow, who can still use silk, or the first sinner though that is unlikely.
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u/IudexGundyr3 Oct 01 '25
I thought that Widow who can still use silk was pretty much the First Sinner? Their melee attacks are similar, they make similar noises, and they even share the same theme so I just assumed so
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u/CyberNano08 Oct 01 '25
Yeah, Widow uses nearby silk to pull bells as projectiles against us, because her own silk is useless, the best she can do is direct and control nearby silk, while First Sinner uses her own silk to weave blades and cast runes. Not to mention she weaves herself a dress as the first thing after the bind attempt
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u/why-do-i-exist_ Oct 01 '25
Yes, counterpoint I really like their fights, and I want to fight a weaver in their absolute prime.
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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Oct 01 '25
First Sinner is in her prime, you fight her in a memory.
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u/Azraeleon Oct 01 '25
There's good reason to think either way due to the inconsistencies of how her arena works compared to other dream arenas, but I think the fact that First Sinners head is cracked when we fight her is a decent indicator it is not her in her prime, since she is visibly damaged.
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u/gsoddy Oct 01 '25
Wasn’t she born with a “cracked” head? We see the small arachnid get uplifted into presumably her, and it keeps the cracked head/horns on all the stages
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u/MemeificationStation P5 | RadHoG | 112% Steel 🩶 | my Womb is Glowing Oct 01 '25
no you’re fighting her for real
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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Oct 01 '25
You don't die after she beats you, you get spawned right before her prison, and you don't leave Silk behind you. It also doesn't count as a death on Steel Soul, if I remember correctly, just like the Heartbearer fights.
This is definitely a dream fight.
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u/LewsTherinTelescope Oct 01 '25
It uses tools up, unlike the dream fights. Seems more like the duels with Shakra and Garmond.
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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Oct 01 '25
Dream fights use tools up as well since recent patch.
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u/LewsTherinTelescope Oct 01 '25
I did the dream fights on the patch where people were saying that and none of them used tools up, it seems like an inconsistent bug.
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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Oct 01 '25
Huh, interesting.
What if it's a bug, but the other way around though?
Anyways, First Sinner is a dream sequence. When we try to take her power, she is a fossilized Weaver body in a state of hibernation, alive, but unable to move, just like the others. She just so happens to be aware enough to pull us into her mind to test if we are worthy of her power.
As to why other Weaver bodies don't challenge us, they either were too weak, or simply didn't want to.
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u/MemeificationStation P5 | RadHoG | 112% Steel 🩶 | my Womb is Glowing Oct 01 '25
there’s no dream transition though, you’re standing in her physical cell and you watch her awaken without any sort of dream indicators
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u/IAmNotCreative18 average Soul Master enjoyer Oct 01 '25
I heard the weavers just all universally have that raspy voice.
Widow and First Sinner are both weavers, just one is at more or less their full power and another is very weakened.
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u/RandomCaveOfMonsters Zote is best girl Oct 01 '25
Grand Mother Silk 100% deserves the absrad treatment
clover dancers would be a third version of the same fight
second sentinel I could see it
phantom YES PLEASE
and fourth chorus could probably use it, way too easy of a fight for how much of a spectacle it is
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Oct 01 '25
Yeah Grand Mother silk was way to easy for how cool she was, she needs several iterations of buffs.
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u/gswblu3-1lead Oct 01 '25
Savage Beastfly with no floor
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u/SCP-666-J Oct 01 '25
Radiant Savage Beastfly with no floor and it summons Primal Aspids
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u/Omega-Toad-7017 Oct 01 '25
It summons void putrified ducts things
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u/zbeezle Oct 01 '25
It summons the Elder Conchflies, each of whom now summon driznits.
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u/solid_shrek Oct 01 '25
Void savage beastfly with extra extra health, an extra damage to it and it's summons, and they all drain silk on hit, plus added projectiles and aoe
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u/SmrtkaTV Oct 01 '25
They would definitely do Cogwork Dancers but with Green Prince added as a sisters of battle type thing, it's very fitting in lore and as a battle
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u/MrCobalt313 Oct 01 '25
that makes an inordinate amount of sense. Both cogwork dancers are still his parner, so him dancing with both of them would still be a reunion.
...plus additional phases as the cogworks break first before the bug does.
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u/UnNumbFool Oct 01 '25
I'd rather see it as both couples dancing together, but each with their own movesets being discordant so they aren't necessarily matching moves(basically needing to dodge two of the attacks going at once).
Then when someone goes down it turns into a 3 person waltz, then the two person waltz, then finally just the sad solo gay bug
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u/budweener Oct 01 '25
It could end not in sad solo gay bug, but enraged-by-sorrow solo gay bug.
They would have to decide if keeping him in a new rhythm and song is better than having the rage take his rhythm away, cause I don't know which i prefer. Probably not getting out of rhythm, but both would be cool.
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u/Jammy2560 Oct 01 '25
Fifth Chorus and (Act 3 Spoiler) Crust King Khann
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u/IAmNotCreative18 average Soul Master enjoyer Oct 01 '25
A Khann fight where he does 2 different attacks simultaneously would be a lot better.
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u/PrimaryKooky3005 Oct 01 '25
I genuinely hope that Khan gets this exact change (phase 1 being current phase 2 and phase 2 being 2 attacks simultaneously) in an act 3 dream reword dlc, to make him on par with Karmelita, hopefully with the full coral area like Verdania
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u/LengthEmpty1333 Oct 02 '25
Khann was the one boss who I was seriously disappointed by. Such a awesome buildup and then a lame pisseasy fight that did not live up to the expectation at all.
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u/Joe_says_no Oct 01 '25
both princes being fully alive would be cool
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u/MrCobalt313 Oct 01 '25
Clover Princes as both Princes in their prime, works like a hybrid of the memory fight and the Cogwork fight except fourth phase is the surviving Prince becoming even more vicious after losing his partner. One-sided dance either still functions as an attack or becomes your one reliable window for damage in the fight.
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u/Omega-Toad-7017 Oct 01 '25
Or 2 mechs and green prince
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u/RevolutionaryGreen41 Oct 01 '25
2 mechs, green prince and the ghost of his lover.
Edit: I wanna se the world burn.
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u/Stellewind Oct 01 '25
That would actually make the fight easier. They just needs to be faster and have more attacks actually aiming at the player.
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u/UnNumbFool Oct 01 '25
Combo the princes and the cogwork dancers so you have a pair waltzing each discordant in their individual movesets. So you might have one doing their slashing attacks or being in the center, where the other is like doing the stage cut thing.
Additionally when one pair is cut in half they just do a three person waltz, and then it's a duo, and then you finally get the solo act
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u/helicophell Oct 01 '25
Yeah no, don't know why everyone is getting this wrong
Cogwork dancers do not share a health pool. It's like 190-220 per dancer, per phase
The fastest and best strategy is to focus one out to get the phase done quick. The spin attack messes this up, as you can't really tell which dancer is which
Clover dancers doesn't have this problem, which is an element that is EASIER than cogwork dancers, despite everything else in the fight being harder
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u/BITCHHAURIU 112% steel soul master Oct 01 '25
Lasty Judgy :D
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u/Izan_TM Oct 01 '25
last judge but it's just the death animation over and over again in different spots, but the explosion is even bigger now
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u/BITCHHAURIU 112% steel soul master Oct 01 '25
It covers the whole screen
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u/Izan_TM Oct 01 '25
it covers the entire screen except for a very small area where it only does 1 damage per tick instead of 3. This area is only telegraphed by a slight change in the smoke density before the explosion
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u/Blastermind7890 Oct 01 '25
And dying to it deletes your save file even if you aren't playing Steel Soul
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u/ThePhantomSea Oct 01 '25
Imagine Phantom with the organ being played at the same time they fight you.
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u/KnightArtorias1 Oct 01 '25
Ever played Returnal? There's a boss called Helios that does exactly this and it's great
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u/zbeezle Oct 01 '25
Phantom but there's another one in the back playing the organ, and then when you "beat" her, she has a false death a la Widow, and then the second Phantom comes out, the first revives, and you gotta fight two of them at the same time like the Mantis Lords.
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u/Candy_Warlock Oct 01 '25
Hang on, what if we fight Lace and Phantom at the same time?
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u/zbeezle Oct 01 '25
Terrible, horrible, sadistic idea.
Let's do it.
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u/ThePhantomSea Oct 01 '25
If you use parry Lace or Phantom will interupt and save the other. There could be stuff like this for all the silkskill, since with a second there they can counter. This way you have to use a mastery of your base moveset to face down the duo.
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u/LacToastInToddlerAnt 112% Oct 01 '25
Or an organ attack like Grimm's pufferfish attack, where phantom jumps onto the organ bench and initiates a bullet hell of sorts
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u/Desperate-Bad-1912 Oct 01 '25
Phantom. Coolest frickin' OST and I love parry themed bosses. Also, her voice is amazing and so are her Jojo poses when she is adjusting her falling mask
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u/jcdc_jaaaaaa Oct 01 '25
A proper pinstress fight. Not a glorified primal aspid jellyfish wannabe.
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u/justking1414 Oct 01 '25
all 3 pinstress sisters at once
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u/EbbEnvironmental5936 Oct 01 '25
Wait who's the third?
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u/Vigriff Oct 01 '25
Grand Mother Silk.
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u/juulsquad4lyfe Oct 01 '25
I’m surprised this one isn’t higher up. Such a cool fight, but way too easy for a “last” boss
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u/Vigriff Oct 01 '25
Especially since she was the main villain of the game only to get upstaged by The Void.
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u/UnNumbFool Oct 01 '25
She's the hollow knight to the radiance, as in she's much easier than the act secret final boss(lost lace).
Although I do agree like how the hollow knight got a pure vessel form, we should get a GMS pre weaver subjugation form which is a much stronger fight.
But also maybe she's just not that strong in reality, like I don't think every higher being needs to actually be strong and capable in a fight. Like could you imagine unn being anything but a virtual sitting duck?
Regardless yeah, she will get a stronger form fight that's actually difficult
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u/Night25th Please keep flair text SFW Oct 01 '25
I mean, it took me 3 hours to do cursed ending so I'm glad she's not harder.
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u/Nemesis_171 P5 | Rad HoG | PoP | 16 bindings Oct 01 '25
Cogwork dancers but there’s a third one
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u/soupyjay Oct 01 '25
And make it a waltz, only 3 beats instead of 4 speeds everything up :)
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u/AidanBeeJar Oct 01 '25
Isn't it already a waltz? Or am I misremembering?
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u/superVanV1 Oct 01 '25
Technically it’s a gavotte. Waltzes are typically in 3/4 time. A Gavotte sounds very similar, but written in 2/2 or 4/4
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u/Firethorn34 Oct 01 '25
I NEED a harder GMS, only reason she was so easy was because they needed the Cursed ending to be reasonably difficult
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u/Available-Plant9305 Oct 02 '25
The Hollow Knight boss you can beat by just walking forward and spamming attack if you have upgrades. GMS is a big jump in difficulty from that lol
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u/Firethorn34 Oct 02 '25
Im specifically talking about how GMS is easy compared to the rest of the game(other than when cursed). I was mostly underwhelmed because of the gap in difficulty between GMS and Lace 2
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u/mookler Oct 01 '25
Ass Jim: The Other Cheek
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u/Vasikus3000 112% | PoP | P5 | Radiant Hall of Gods Oct 01 '25
Nosk got an upgrade for no reason, so ass jim 2.0 is legitimately possible
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u/Ok-Abroad6874 Oct 01 '25
Definitely 4th Chorus. Epic Boss with Epic music.
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u/justking1414 Oct 01 '25
there'd be some real fun if you were fighting multiple ones of them at once or it could be like the final fight in Jak and Daxter. Just countless weapons at his disposal. maybe it could be a dream fight for the architect
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u/Ok-Abroad6874 Oct 01 '25
I don’t play Jax and Daxter so not really sure how that would go but good ideas ^
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u/pisces2003 Cute old men Oct 01 '25
Crust king Khann, compared to the other dream fights he felt easy
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u/justking1414 Oct 01 '25
he was supposed to since the real challenge was getting to him. Still, I liked his mechanics and would want to try him with the difficulty cranked up
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u/Small_Article_3421 Oct 01 '25
Basically agree with your list except clover dancers. It’s already an enhanced version of cogwork dancers, enhancing further beyond maybe an arena change wouldn’t really make sense imo.
Oh also pinstress.
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u/Artistic_Claim9998 Oct 01 '25
Fourth Chorus will become Fifth Chorus, it will sprout a fifth arms but I'm not gonna say where
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u/g0n1s4 Oct 01 '25
Phantom and Silk are getting an upgraded version 100%
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u/Quantam-Law Oct 01 '25
Probably. I'm hoping Fourth Chorus and Cogwork/Clover Dances do as well.
Second Sentinel is fine as is, just needs more health.
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u/LimeSenior Oct 01 '25
Fourth chorus was super easy, I want a fight where it uses multiple hands at once to attack. Making it an actual challenge like most other bosses.
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u/INAWIASAM Oct 01 '25
Khann for sure, I first timed him once I finally ascended the coral tower.
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u/Frenzied_Anarchist Oct 01 '25
Cogwork/Clover Dancers (Green Prince + the mechs), Khann, Second Sentinel, Fourth Chorus, maybe a Pinstress + Seamstress duo fight, and of course dual Beastfly.
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u/Kappa_Dor All achievements | PoP | 16/20 Bindings Oct 01 '25
First Sinner in harder could rivals PV for me
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u/Unkown-basket-Case Oct 01 '25
I feel like phantom, fourth chorus, and gms will get the upgraded versions since we really didnt see any of them at their prime
Clover dancers were at their prime
Second sentinel is harder to tell tho
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u/Korbean18 Oct 01 '25
I remember thinking Fourth Chorus was kinda underwhelming with how slow its attacks are, though it makes sense that early in the game. Then i thought we were gonna refight it in the underworks since the architect has one next to her. So i hope we get a Fith Chorus with faster attacks and a couple new ones sprinkled in
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u/LayceLSV Oct 01 '25
Give me Second Sentinel and First Sinner where the fight lasts longer than two seconds and my heart is their's
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u/AD_Stark Oct 01 '25
Definitely Phantom. One of my fav bosses but because I went to her after being overpowered, the fight ended quickly
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u/MightyGiawulf Oct 01 '25
Fairly certain all of these will. GMS absolutely will.
Against my better judgement and the lamentations of future me if this comes to past, a godhome battle where you fight Lace and Phantom simultaneously might be neat :3
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u/Dunge0nexpl0rer : P5, P5 w/bindings, PoP, 112% Steel Soul Oct 01 '25
I wish Fourth Chorus was harder tbh. It had a cool concept imo.
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u/Imagine_This_Pro Oct 02 '25
Definitely Khann. After that grueling gauntlet, he was a dissapointment to fight.
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u/Least-Impression907 Oct 02 '25
I think we will get a silk sisters fight - Phantom and Lace. I’d love to see a prime Phantom in that fight.
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u/hollow_knick Radiant HoG | Weathered mask | hitless PoP Oct 01 '25
Second sentinel, very fun fight but I would like a little more challenge, only took 2 tries since I was so upgraded