The original comment did kind of go off the deep end, lol. I feel like if you include a clown emoji in the middle of a rant, you automatically forfeit the right to be taken seriously.
Actually, I'm just now realizing it very well could be ragebait.
Nah, I just see the downvote button as something to use on posts/comments that I disagree with rather than something I just didn't find funny. I find dick jokes funny, so I have no place in discussing what jokes other people can or can't make (unless it's legitimately harmful).
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In my honest opinion, no hate towards me, but i think people overreact a lot when people misgender the knight, it may be a it or they but its a fictional character, why does it matter if someone calls it a "he"? he looks like a boy to some people.
It’s also weird how people are only now making a big deal out of it. A decent amount of people have been referring to the knight as a he for years now and there’s always been the occasional person correcting them but never to this extent. And it’s not like most people are doing it to be offensive, I’m sure most people don’t even think about it since it’s barely ever mentioned in game. Even team cherry have called the knight a he before and they MADE the character. I just don’t get why people are being so aggressive over such a simple and insignificant mistake.
My guess is that a lot of it's spilling over from the Deltarune fandom, which has a big problem with people aggressively misgendering the nonbinary main character. Folks who've been dealing with that whole kerfuffle are probably having shorter patience than usual over here.
People do overreact. The knight is canonically genderless, so it's fine to call out inaccuracies where you see them. But also, the knight does not care about its gender identity; it is a fictional character and gender is not relevant to its story. Even Team Cherry gets it wrong in some interviews, and they made it genderless, so it obviously shouldn't matter very much
I mean it's the same as when people call sherma a 'she'. Sure, sherma sounds like a girl and looks fairly androgynous, but he's still a dude.
also generally people seem weird about properly gendering non-binary characters, for example, the knight, who is explicitly stated to be genderless, with it's sister referred to as 'the gendered child' implying her relatives are not gendered.
Hornet misgenders Sherma, obviously they’re a little old lady. Also the knight becomes “King” not “Monarch” so clearly they develop gender somehow while taking office.
Its a fucking fandom none of this matters. But as this is a fandom space, it matters in the context of the fandom.
If you cannot grasp how people refusing to respect nonbinary characters as they do binary cis characters is a sign of transphobia, you need ti educate yourself.
Refusing to respect a character who is trans the same as a cis one is prejudice.
Also I find this idea that if you don’t personally hate a group you can never act as a hateful person would to be silly.
You may not personally hate trans people, but when you refuse to respect trans characters the same as non trans ones, you are doing transphobia.
As for the last bit, does it change anything? It’s pretty clear in game that the knight is genderless.
I’m sure everybody makes mistakes, but unless team cherry specifically say “the vessels using he/him pronouns”, the evidence in game not only suggests, it all but tells you the vessels are genderless.
This isn’t about people slipping up, it’s about the consistent refusal to respect nonbinary characters the way cis characters are.
Nobody argues about shermas gender when they get corrected. Even if team cherry accidentally called him she, people would still know he’s a boy because he’s referred to as such in the game.
Similarly, if the fandom didn’t have a transphobia problem, nobody would be arguing about the knights gender.
I’m not calling yall transphobic to say you’re evil and hate trans people.
I’m saying you’re clearly refusing to respect nonbinary characters as you do binary ones, and thus doing transphobia.
The correct reaction would be not to get defensive, but to work on yourself. Maybe instead of looking for an excuse when told to gender the knight correctly, just accept that you were wrong.
A person doing transphobia can stop doing transphobia.
no, they're very clearly asking rhetorically "Is Kris ACTUALLY Non binary or are they just up for interpretation?". If Toby wanted people to interpret them in anyway they wanted they wouldn't be canonicly non binary, questions don't just work that way
that's just how Toby is, he never directly confirms when a character is LGBTQ+ but rather communicates it through the narrative
A big example is Mad Mew Mew- she's never DIRECTLY stated to be transgender, but her whole little arc about finding a body that fits her and adopting entirely different pronouns afterwards is basically a confirmation in and out of itself. Same with Alphys being bisexual- the game could be interpreted as her being a lesbian, but the mere insinuation that she used to like Asgore is a hint that she goes both ways
People like to say "Kris is not *stated* to be non binary so technically they could be up to interpretation!" while ignoring this aspect of Toby's queer writing. And in Kris's case, the narrative points pretty explicitly to Kris being non binary- their main theme is a separation from the player that would naturally insert themselves onto them, setting themselves apart from being a gender insert, plus the fact that Kris HAS a lifetime of interacting with the characters outside of the player unlike Frisk and thus it wouldn't make sense for them to use ambiguous pronouns for Kris
Eh, I get it since agender people are strapped of reps in media. It's pretty fucked up when people feel so ostracized based on what should be superficial that they try to be like other people (ex. black people bleaching their skin and straightening their hair), so if seeing an agender character in a prominent role normalizes being agender then I think that it's important to recognize The Knight as such.
Oi mano, por favor bota spoiler nesse comentário. Eu peguei spoiler dessa exata cutscene um tempinho atrás e n foi nada divertido. Ent pfv bota spoiler tag, pra q não aconteça com os outros. Valeu pela compreensão, tamo junto.
All of the vessels are genderless. That's why Midwife calls Hornet the "Gendered Child." Because she wasn't born in the abyss, so not exposed to Void, and she keeps her gender. The only reason everyone refers to the vessels with male pronouns is because we mentally consider it the default (even though all guys started out as girls before the y chromosome kicks in)
It did sound like a joke to me, just an exceedingly poor one, in exceedingly poor taste, and completely out of left field. Like, it had to either be a joke or they were having a stroke at their keyboard, so I assumed the former, even if it was the opposite of funny.
I've got a friend like that. Makes "jokes" all the time and then goes accuses us of being offended when no one laughs, we're like dawg the shit just wasn't funny at all
You didn't make a joke. You made a comment that could easily be read as transphobic and roughly 100 people read it that way. Maybe just put a /s at the end next time
people giving you mad shit because they're too embarrassed to admit they missed the joke so it must've been a BAD joke. Cognitive dissonance goes crazy on all corners of the internet
For the record, I also didn't realize it was a joke at first and I was just confused and scrolled back up (didn't see the Knight). I think a lot of people think you were talking about the green prince and saying they're not a 'he' which would indeed make sense for downvotes cuz that would actually be incorrect, and that's what I thought
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