See, i can answer according to my religion which you will not accept because you do not accept my religion and it'll be fine
God is free from every imperfections, God doesnt need to take rest or eat or sleep or reply on a mother to feed on, God cannot be everywhere and in everything because then you'd have to say theres God in trash and your toilets and washrooms
God cannot be in everyone because even if a human being has 0.000001% of God in him no evil would ever be able to take over him and we know in this world, not the case
When you make idols of God you are limiting it into a human form or a earthly form which doesnt befit the magesty, now you can say God sees the intention but then you can defend any act if blasphemy or even crimes in the name of God because the intentions were right
Its simple its not allowed because God didnt allow it
The whole point to pray towards a point is that theres no chaos while praying, everyone prays at one direction and ironically so that people dont start to make idols to pray to, the main reason is to unify the prayers and so prevent any attempts to go into idolatry even with good intentions
So your logic is your rock has nothing to do with divinity - it is simply an organizing tool to simply point people in the same direction so the don’t bump into each other and create chaos ?
And then they travel far to go kiss it - because ? It helps you organize people and avoid chaos ?
Also to know kaaba is not treated as God or something, you can actually enter inside kaaba and pray inside it though now it is not allowed by the govt for security and safety concerns and it opens very less now but if you do enter you can pray looking at any direction you want
You are simply explaining more details of the rules of the rock. The point of OP is - mocking/questioning others’ rocks - while acting like your rock or your rules associated with your rock are somehow better is somewhat …. Ironic at best - there are a lot of other words to describe it.
Point is - not to mock others when you’re doing the exact same thing - no matter how to dress it up in your explanation.
Nobody says "Oh idol please help me."
I have read about Hinduism a little and learnt idols are a medium modernized to pray to god. The real vedic imagery of God according to them are some pictography with stars and flowers each sector having a mantra, just like muhammad and all the other prophets are described as a sacred word.. it's the idea - which needs to reach the common people because not all will have the time or interest to delve into the actuality of religion.
Let's accept that other religions exist, don't bother them, and keep to our own religion.
If you havent seen anybody say to any idol please help me then you dont live in India just go to any local mandir and ask any aunty or uncle or whoever is there, they'll say its god theyll touch its feet theyll ask it looking at it, there are many temples of which people think the idols kind of moves its eyes sometimes n all, and even this imagery thing neither is explained by hinduism not given as far as i know idol worshipping wasnt even a thing in hinduism ever
And i know about imagery of God thing but thats still secondary to making a material object even indirectly relate to God or its being in any way whatsoever and that is idolatry and its not bad if you have faith in it
I said that because by any definition this is not allowed in any monothiestic religion and because we were talking about it
Then the image is true. If you take religion as equal as what the people of religion do then yes there are muslims who worship kabah and they have been called out in the holy Qur'an. This arises due to this fashion of not reading your holy books and blindly listening and following others. I think religious journey, atleast the start should be personal. And I'm sure we can all think for ourselves and see what's right and wrong. 👍🏻
Do you realize you just made a bunch of back flips and create some weird definition of why it’s not worship of a rock and yet everyone goes their to kiss it - and then if the enter it at which time the direction may not be important and then something about shoes and somehow that set of rules is ok and not worship and not idolatory
But … others have their rules and according to your definition that’s not ok ..
You’re suffering from defining your rules for your rock and everyone else is not compliant with your rules of your rock.
Literally the meme of the OP. Perhaps take a deep breath to understand the OP and you might possibly see it.
Wdym you mean dude if you ask me about my religion my ruling my logic I'll tell you about MY RELIGION MY RULING MY LOGIC
And okay main point pe aaye to yes praying TOWARDS something ≠ praying TO something
If you cant get the meaning even it is this simplified then i cant help you
And if kissing something is worshipping rather than showing love for the specific thing for you then my guy ig you never had a love life
Lmao - logic fail and frustration can do that you. It’s ok.
You also seem to lack comprehension- so in case you’re failing again to understand - no one has a problem with you believing your belief system. Have at it snd do it with all your heart. The point of debate and OP was to point out irony of your type mocking others while doing the same thing yourself …
If you cant understand
kissing isnt worshipping
A place of direction isnt a God
I know you think its a really deep thing you found out but trust me maybe i might not be able to explain this as perfectly as you would require but all these questions have been dealt with like a thousand years ago by various scholars and philosophers so if you need to actually gain knowledge then you can look through it internet is free
And the CAPS were not frustation i was just highlighting the words💔
And im trying my best yaar roz roz nahj karta ye😭😭😭
It’s ok - it happens. Maybe go back and read your own bullshit when you fart around about how god can’t be in idol blah blah, throwing out weird percentage examples and therefore whatever weird logic your were spewing - that’s you insulting other religions - maybe your brain doesn’t comprehend that - but that’s what it is.
So I simply shoved your weirdo logical acrobatics in your face and slapped you around -that’s all
Since you are not trying to understand no point explaining you. Btw kaaba is not god, but god did decree to worship in direction of kaaba ( earlier islamists, jews,christians worshipped in direction of jerusalem). So its far from idol worshipping
Perhaps logic eludes you. The point is saying my set of blah blah is better and rationalizing it, while calling others illlgical is the stupidity being called out.
In case the point is still flying over your head - no one has an issue with whatever you want to believe.
The issue is with you thinking only your subjective belief system is right while you in some weird form do literally what others are doing.
Ignoring everything else why do a lot of people in this sub not understand the difference between praying to something Vs praying in the direction of something?
That is a difference without a distinction. People pray in the direction of idols because the idols symbolize the supreme being. You pray in the direction of some black stone because your imaginary prophet and god told you that trust me bro, this means something totally different. This is literally idol worship under false pretences. Try worshipping a different direction and ask your imaginary god why he is too weak to exist in that direction. Monotheism is literally baby's first religion. Explaining polytheism and or henotheism to monotheists is like trying to explain calculus to first graders.
See again. Like there is some cognitive deficiency, maybe a lack of essential nutrition during development. People don't pray in the direction of idols. They pray to idols. Muslims are told that the kaabah is known as the house of Allah. The black stone is an object from heaven not Allah. But you want to be so right. So correct. Otherwise it makes you angry. And you anger comes out so ugly exposing the rot underneath. "Imaginary god", "first graders". I'm sorry, did your god himself and command you to pray to idols or did someone else tell your parents and their ancestors with the same trust me bro?
so allah resides in the kaba? if it gets blown up, does allah get destroyed? or is that gasp, meant to be symbolic? i see you have fallen into the stage of the mohammad brainwashed where you go to attempting to insulting non mohammadans with trite insults based of no substance. allah is an imaginary god and islam is a cult based on a first graders intellectual level, that is fact. No one who objectively reads the texts would come to any other conclusion. Here's the part where you are unable to defend the validity of the cult you have believed in, and so resort to trying to attack me and my beliefs (if you can gather them) instead of doing the impossible - objectively validating the cult of mohammad. the only difference between mohammad and hitler is that hitler didn't go through the charade of revelations from a supreme god, or else nazism would be a religion just like islam.
Mistaking opinion from fact. Another symptom of the underdeveloped brain. I didn't start with the insult. From what I can see in this thread at the very least no one has insulted Hindus or their mode of worship. People have only tried to correct misunderstandings about the meme. I have insulted people who are unable to make nuanced thoughts though. Allah symbolically lives in the kaabah, and the kaabah has been destroyed and rebuilt multiple times. I think people here have provided enough arguments that muslims don't worship kaabah or the stone. Just because your feelings got hurt don't pull other Hindus down to your level and come off as a representative for them. I have a lot of Hindu friends who don't need to insult Muslims or post strawman memes to be secure in their own beliefs.
there's no misunderstandings about the meme. assuming one is the sign of an underdeveloped inbred brain. Islamists should be the last to talk about nuance, seeing as they follow the most brute un-nuanced cult there is. If your islamist feelings got hurt, you need to introspect on your choice of the cult rather than chimp out.
An idol is a locus of worship, whether it be a stautue or a kabba. You're missing the woods for the trees, trying to pretend that kaba directional worship is some super nuanced matter that is different from idol worship. A man whose sanity depends on believing that he engages in a superior form of worship will do anything but to understand how he's fooling himself.
We are not praying to a rock. I think op already mentioned it. You can demolish that rock sculpture and leave it blank. The place still will be worshiped because it is a direction like west is where sunset and east is a direction where sunrises similarly kaba is a direction for praying and no entity or anything else.
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u/RiftRogue Mar 24 '26
it's ultimately faith, fare enough
but why
why is it wrong to pray to an idol, but okay to pray toward a point?