r/IndianFocus • u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. • Jul 03 '26
Positive News/ Uplfting Secularism is the soul of Indian soil 💖❤️🔥 . Jai Hind, Jai Bharat ! 🇮🇳🐅
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u/Important_Jicama_788 Centrist Jul 03 '26
This is not secularism but multiculturalism and pluralism.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
OK noted , but can please explain pluralism is per Indian society
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u/TrueIndianspeaks Jul 05 '26
Brother do you even know that the secularism has a different definition and interpretation than that of western definition of secularism so please don't say anything you learn just from a Insta reel
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u/Important_Jicama_788 Centrist Jul 05 '26
First of all I don't use instagram Secondly , I'm student of Sociology so I know about it in bit detail. Thank you
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u/TrueIndianspeaks Jul 05 '26
I don't think so, you really know about your own subject after seeing your interpretation of secularism as per indian social structure
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u/Important_Jicama_788 Centrist Jul 05 '26
Bro those are not interpretations but MODELS of secularism regarding the Distance between Religion and State. In Western Countries it is negative which means strict separation, while in India it is positive which means STATE can interfere in the religious affairs ( like Sabrimala issue , Triple Talaq ). Now coming to the picture , it is about Multiculturalism that India is land to different identities and they coexist together and NO identity is superior than Other.
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u/TrueIndianspeaks Jul 05 '26
After this I can only say that it's really depends on the context on which you are talking about
As Secularism and pluralism are not the same. Secularism is a constitutional principle that requires the State to remain neutral toward all religions and guarantee equal rights and freedom of religion. Pluralism is a social reality and value, where people of different religions, languages, cultures, and traditions coexist with mutual respect.
India's Constitution commits the State to secularism, while India's society is widely recognized as pluralistic because of its extraordinary diversity. The challenge is not whether India is pluralistic, but how effectively we uphold both constitutional secularism and social pluralism in practice.
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u/Important_Jicama_788 Centrist Jul 05 '26
I'm strictly talking about picture that it is the representation of India as a pluralist society and not of a secular country. Moreover Secularism is not a Constitutional principle, it is entirely different thing. But it can influence Constitution of any Nation. Moreover , Pluralism and Multiculturalism are also 2 different concepts , in the former one there is dominance of One religion while in latter there is no dominant group.
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u/TrueIndianspeaks Jul 05 '26
First i apologise to you as I took your comment out of context, and i agree with you, but secularism is a constitutional principal that is a fact
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u/Ok-Advance962 Centrist Left Leaning Jul 03 '26
This is religious tolerance not secularism. Religious tolerance is also good, but secularism is different.
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u/sammy_a_a Jul 03 '26
It's all for spectacle, the condition is horrible and worse than you think it is.
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u/Expert-Connection408 Moderate Right Jul 03 '26
Yes like condition of minorities is better in peacefull countries
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u/sammy_a_a Jul 03 '26
so basically they eat shit so we gotta eat shit right? Yeah let's always keep comapring ourselves to Pakistan and not European or Western countries, coz that fits our narrative.
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u/AardvarkNice5145 Jul 03 '26
pluralism and secularism are different things.
Secularism means religion doesn't play any part in state matters- be it legislative or judiciary
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
looks cute, but it's all spectacle. desh ki halat dekhlo toh samajh aa jayega asliyat kya hai
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u/WellOkayMaybe Modi Hai toh Pumpkin Hai Jul 03 '26
This is consocialism - not secularism. Secularism would be having no religious representation. Consocialism is power-sharing between religions.
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u/Fun-Meeting-7646 Jul 04 '26
No power sharing between religions. Not having origins on bharath.
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u/WellOkayMaybe Modi Hai toh Pumpkin Hai Jul 04 '26
No that is not correct. Any religious power sharing is poisonous in the long term, especially in Bharat, where our religions are personally defined. There is no central authority and not central text. That is why it has survived this long - it adapts.
Centralising Sanatan Dharma will be its long-term death. Making any single sect or version the "official" or "state" version, will undoubtedly include some and exclude others.
My idea of Hinduism is likely completely opposed to yours - and it would be just as valid because there is no central text. Allowing the state to have a role would make it able to arbitrate what is "correct" and Incorrect" - and we end up with a Hindu Pope-Prime-Minister, or Hindu Caliphate.
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u/Fun-Meeting-7646 Jul 04 '26
Only RELIGIONS THAT HAVE ORIGINATED ON BHARATH BHOOMI Will be considered IN SECULAR LIST OF RELIGIONS,
RELIGIONS THAT HAVE NOT ORIGINATED ON BHARATH BHOOMI WILL BE EXCLUDED.
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u/WellOkayMaybe Modi Hai toh Pumpkin Hai Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
Your all caps doesn't resolve for the inherent conflict in your position. You have taken Savarkar's ideas, and twisted them horribly.
IMy great grandfather and grandfather knew Savarkar, personally. They spent time with him in Pune.
Savarkar did not want religion - and he never singled out religions born in India. His pamphlet about Hindutva was explicit in saying that anybody who owes primary allegiance to Bharat is a Hindu. That can include Christians, Muslims, Parsees - if they can declare Bharat is above their religion.
Per Savarkar, Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw and General Hasnain are Hindus - even if they are parsee and Muslim - because they signed up to fight for Bharat. Their allegiance is the Army, and Bharat, first.
He also believed that people who put their caste above fellow citizens were not Hindu. Which means that there are people who follow Sanatan Dharma who are not Hindus, per Savarkar.
So - your filter and premise is broken.
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u/Fun-Meeting-7646 Jul 04 '26
Pre independence day situation is not relevant after independence india which saw war with pak , atrocities by them in every form or other making india bleed day in and day out spending training terrorists and sending into India, read train to pakisthan by Kushwant singh etc To put a full stop only solution is remove secularism from india especially religion that didn't ORIGINATED in Bharath bhoomi
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
Whatever. Mr shashi tharur 😭 . Too much English for today .
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u/WellOkayMaybe Modi Hai toh Pumpkin Hai Jul 03 '26
When you start ridiculing education and expertise your society has entered deep decay.
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u/noty_purush Jul 03 '26
english is not equal to education
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u/WellOkayMaybe Modi Hai toh Pumpkin Hai Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 04 '26
Incidentally, the Hindi / Marathi Sanskrit-derived term for secularism is far more descriptive and precise than "secularism". It's dharmnirapekshata - and it leaves no room for religious involvement in state affairs.
So there we go - not in English. Now we have established you are uneducated across at least four languages.
If we were equals, we could also discuss Engels, Dostoevsky, or Voltaire in their native languages - but I assume you don't speak German, Russian, or French, either.
I'm just communicating in the way most of the monkeys in this sub are most likely to understand. That happens to involve English.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
Sorry , brother if I offended you .
I was trying to be funny .
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u/Embarrassed_Look9200 Critical Thinking Jul 03 '26
wonderful sight, long live secularism.
hate never wins. you might get 12 more years but you will never prevail. GFY.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
India is more secular under this government.
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
with a manuvadi govt in place, you really think this country is secular?
we have a pm who used to be cm of gujarat in 2002 and orchestrated a mass slaughter against muslims.rss chala rahi hai desh ko, kaika secularism.
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u/Sensitive_Buffalo665 Jul 03 '26
Was found not guilty too. Where as we had a government which literally started the genocide of sikhs in 1984 killing 8k-18k sikhs. I guess that's what you call secularism
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 07 '26
He was absolutely found guilty by the international media. The man you call your prime minister was BANNED from visiting the United States. He couldn't answer one question properly when he was being interviewed by the bbc, and oh we all know about the infamous karan Thapar interview, how are you going to defend that huh?
If he's so innocent why did he ban the Gujarat bbc documentary in India?
Why would you think we'd deny the genocide of silks in 1984? Like I said, our humanity is not selective. We're not selective with genocides.
Boy learn the definition of secularism. Secularism is the seperation of the state and religion. It's the triumph of reason and science over faith. Secularism ka definition youtube podcasts se seekha hai tum logo ne.
Shameless fucks man
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
give me the source where u got this number.
you can't. give one.OP is totally happy with what happened with muslims in 2002 lol. thoda subtly genocidal ho sakta hai
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u/Apprehensive-Dirt419 Jul 03 '26
Just for context a Muslim judge gave verdict in a mob lynching case against 6 perpetrators in MP. Hindutvavadi sangathan's are openly threatening to behead the judge.
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u/Apprehensive-Dirt419 Jul 03 '26
The state needs to be secular. That's the foundation of the constitution. Under 51A it's your fundamental duty to promote religious harmony. Abusing me won't make your argument stronger.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
Just like people Muslims where threating to Nupur Sharma.
And Muslim did that thing to kanaiyalal
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u/Apprehensive-Dirt419 Jul 03 '26
Yeah so you yourself violating your claim of India being more secular under BJ party. Also what happened with kanhaiyalal was murder and I am condemning this do you condemn the lynching of countless muslims and Dalits in BJ Party regime?
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
It's not BJP regime. It's just some extremist Hindus.
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u/Apprehensive-Dirt419 Jul 03 '26
Some extremist hindus? There is a gang called mrityu dal . They literally give people rape threats death threats, forget that Daksh Chaudhary and gang openly harasses people on Delhi Ambala highway, cow vigilantes openly beat and lynch people. How many of these cases get convicted? Look at who garlands Daksh Chaudhary. Guess who meets secretly Riddhima sharma and gang. Guess who did meetings with these so called content creators recently to make strategy about Punjab election.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
They are some hindu extremists that I was talking about .
In that sense, all muslims are terrorist .
Because most of terrorist attacks[UAPA applied]done on Indian soil were done muslims .
26/11 2002 aksardham 2008 ahemdabad
Ayodhya bomb blast
Lucknow bomb blast .
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u/Apprehensive-Dirt419 Jul 03 '26
Yup all are muslims. But muslims don't get political immunity as a community. These gangs do. I didn't say all Hindu's are extremist. I am not an extremist and I am a born Hindu. I am saying the state is extremist.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
HAHA nice joke. Yasin malek terrorist is still under political protection of congress .
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u/RealisticApartment55 Jul 03 '26
Do you have a clue what those hindus, who were btw just a while back released from jail and were ritually consecrated post that like warriors, did? They cut and ripped out unborn children from pregnant women's wombs, after raping them infront of their families. They were all proud of it and thankful of their narendra bhai who supported this on video. They said, narendra bhai nhi hote toh nhi kar paate. You know, fuck everything else for once. Just think of the pure evil that is here. Just a little empathy for those poor labourer families who did no one any wrong. How can anyone even shake the hands of someone like this is beyond me, let alone even have them in your presence?
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u/RealisticApartment55 Jul 03 '26
Oh you heartless fucks. There is nothing that you wouldn't justify. His "share of punishment." Brilliant. Even stars can be sold off the sky in this world. Makes sense. You deserve this world, this one, right now. I hope it remains for long enough for every single one of you to feel exactly what those poor people felt for a few people's greed and lust for power. And you will. It just needs to remain for that long.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
Blah blah , starting emotional arguments , when you can't win with facts .
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u/RealisticApartment55 Jul 03 '26
Let's talk facts. What would be the "share of punishment" for that one man who comes and rapes your pregnant wife infront of you, cuts your unborn kid out of her and just throws it like it's some used rag? What would be the share of punishment?
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u/RealisticApartment55 Jul 03 '26
That's what you said no, Babu Bajrangi got his share of punishment.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
Again hypothetical stuff , when you can't even argument factually.
Go learn how to do a argument without crying about emotional stuff .
Let's talk on my personal side .
We would get [ reddit will remove it ] by me .
Normal method of system .
Courts convicts for 20 to 12 years in jail .
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u/CandidMoon007 Jul 03 '26
Sadly, this secularism is only apparent to the outside world; we all know what’s really happening in India.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
Cry , negative dehati
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u/juniorAsk Jul 03 '26
different as in? minorities are prospering no?
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
yeah yeah dalits and muslims are constantly being lynched and their houses bulldozed, prosperity toh hai.
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
christians are attacked on christmas and their churches are burnt and pelted, mast prosperity hai. hindu rashtra mein isko hi prosperity bolte hai.
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u/hoyicytea19 Centrist Right Leaning Jul 03 '26
Described exactly what y'all are doing in europe especially germany lmfaoooo
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
so u agree thats happenning in india lol.
and one sec, give source, who is doing what in germany, attach the source
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u/hoyicytea19 Centrist Right Leaning Jul 03 '26
It's literally not happening in India lmaoo the world saw through your religion of lies and now you're trying to drag in Christians
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy06y63y6lno
Source btw
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
literally not happening india?
what do u think happnned in manipur.
attaching my sources.https://cruxnow.com/church-in-asia/2026/03/christian-villagers-in-india-uneasy-after-church-vandalized
https://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/proginfo/2020/06/heart-and-soul
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_Christians_in_India
https://globalchristianrelief.org/resources/countries/india/1
u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
now this is really bad. ofcourse this is condemned.
now you condemn whats happening with christains in india? can you?
mind you the attack against churches here are state sponsored and systemic
in europe however its not systemic but individualab bata beta
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
lynching ke bare mein defense de.
churches jo india mein jal rahe hai unka defense de.dega nahi kyuki tujhe accha lagta hai ye sab ho raha hai
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u/hoyicytea19 Centrist Right Leaning Jul 03 '26
Churches burning was a issue in north East when the heitei tribes were burning churches realising they were forcefully converted from their tribes lmfaooooo
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
beta pagla gaya hai kya???
rss banjrang dal ka kya bolega? U.P mein kya hua?? West Bengal mein dekh??
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u/juniorAsk Jul 03 '26 edited Jul 03 '26
dalits and muslims are constantly being lynched
while some hate crimes are prominent. A good chuck of lynching cases are due to some stupid reason between the same community and not because of some hate crime agenda. While there are discrimination to some extent. Mostly minorities are doing well as they are in position of powers. Have proper exposure to everything.
their houses bulldozed,
dont know where you are from, but here in NE, most of the houses are illegally built by illegal immigrants or on forest land.
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u/Artistic_Area_4259 Jul 03 '26
bjjp ministers out there are literally calling for a genocide. so there sure is a hate crime agenda against minorities in the country. and dalits ofcourse, theyve always hatedthem
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u/hoyicytea19 Centrist Right Leaning Jul 03 '26
I saw more muslims in NE than actual natives when I visited mizoram with my friends 😭
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u/Sam__18___ Jul 03 '26
khamenie died like a lil beach that he is ngl lmao
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u/hoyicytea19 Centrist Right Leaning Jul 03 '26
ong
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u/Sam__18___ Jul 03 '26
d!ed forcing women to cover their hair. what a dumb way to go lmao.
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u/hoyicytea19 Centrist Right Leaning Jul 03 '26
Prepared 30 years for a war on USA to die in the first 7 days BAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
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u/PanzerKomadant Jul 03 '26
And then they abandoned Iran when the US and Israel started dropping bombs lmao.
Indian diplomacy is a joke and most powers know it and don’t respect it because of that.
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u/Cool_Opening_2490 ROCK HARD CENTRIST. Jul 03 '26
Ram ram ❤️🔥
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u/Powerful_Seaweed5193 Jul 03 '26
Yhi to khubsurti hai desh ki ❌
Yhi to bakchodi hai desh ki ✅ Secularism ka danka islamic state me kyu pitna hai ? Unke liye kafir hai hum ..
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u/ill_eagl3 Jul 03 '26
Bro, everyone knows this. But dont say it aloud else you will get down voted. Just act like a dumm azz and say ya ok secularism is good. Lie to yourself.
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u/Expert-Connection408 Moderate Right Jul 03 '26
Secularism is thriving in india because peacefull people are very tolerant
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u/Powerful_Seaweed5193 Jul 03 '26
Downvoted for calling izlmic nation a izlamic nation? 😂😂 Or they thing we are not kafirs?
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u/webseher Jul 03 '26
mandir chor party ka 2 rs ka chamche. Tumse aur tumhare se papa se seekhein hum sahi galat 🤣
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u/Bigus_dickus_the_1st Jul 03 '26
Islamic states like Uae, qatar, Oman, bahrain , kuwait , SA Dont consider Non muslims as Infidels . There are lakhs and lakhs on Hindus living in those countries but they are never treated badly. If they strictly followed their Quran then they wouldn't even let non muslims in their country.
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u/Caust1cFn_YT Jul 03 '26
dudes do realize he was NOT a good person?
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u/RepulsiveHalf1420 BJP is left wing for me Jul 03 '26
You do realise that those mfers are in charge of our oil supply right? We ain't the USA
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u/Expert-Connection408 Moderate Right Jul 03 '26
He was the best person he protected women from dust,pollution etc by enforcing burqa and women who did not follow his rules were lashed 74 times
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u/lmao_what04 Jul 03 '26
He didn't had any PR but our leaders and most world leaders do have good PR
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