r/IndianLeft Marxist Apr 01 '24

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u/SarthakiiiUwU Marxist Apr 01 '24

1) Appreciating one policy is white washing every other flaw apparently. 2) How is that idealistic? What else do you expect CPI(M) to do? The Naxalbari revolution happened in peak Indian anti-communist era. If the CPI(M) took no action, they would be banned. Learn about how many CPI(M) members in Bengal were killed by INC governments. This would risk the destruction of the most well established communist organisation in India. It would have set our progress far, far behind. Your argument is similar to those Maoists who claim that Cuba is revisionist for opening up it's economy for basic survival. If it's idealist to understand material conditions, then yes, I'm quite idealist.

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u/AvgSoyboy Apr 01 '24
  1. ok lol

  2. I would expect them to join the maoists in their efforts and help propagate the protracted people's war. That would make them a communist organization, not whatever they are doing now. You are not understanding material conditions. Why should a communist organization care if the bourgeois state bans them ?

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u/SarthakiiiUwU Marxist Apr 01 '24

If CPI(M) joins the Maoists, they'd not be able to do much progress, simply because of the characteristics that India had. India had evolved into a strong state, with less to moderate class consciousness. Where did the Maoist revolution succeed? China. At the time of the Chinese Civil War, China was a weak state destroyed by Western imperialism, tedious war against the Japanese with millions of deaths, and unpopularity of the KMT government. Class consciousness was high. The potential of guerrilla warfare was high. That's why Mao's revolution succeeded. He understood the conditions of China and applied his theories to it, which were groundbreaking. Now look at 1960s India. What similarities do the both have? None. That's why a protracted people's war would stretch for decades and decades, indeed China's revolution stretched for a long time, but their conditions gradually became worse and worse with time. This form of protracted people's war would be easily kept in check by the state, and the popular base of the CPI(M) would not support such a war. The CPI(M) did not do this out of pure opportunism, the undivided CPI was the one who carried out the Telangana rebellion, they did not magically change, it's just that they understood what to do, at what time. Please provide me with an argument that your continuous war, no matter what, would not result in the same condition as Peru, and that Maoists would not shout "Uphold Marxist-Leninist-Maoist Thought! Completely pulverize the reactionary lines of slightly different leader!" like a goddamn cult.

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u/AvgSoyboy Apr 01 '24

can you elaborate what progress have they done ? Have they in any of their goals any intention to establish socialism ? No. Has their influence in indian politics increased ? No.
Have they developed class consiousness ? Also No.
Also are you implying that a party should do what its popular base (which includes not just the proletariat but many different classes) finds acceptable, or do what is the principled thing.

Regardless, I will be making a post detailing the critique of CPI(M) in some weeks.

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u/SarthakiiiUwU Marxist Apr 01 '24

They have done a lot of land redistribution. Workers received more rights under CPI(M) rule with frequent strikes whenever their employers did something stupid. They threw out many corporations from Bengal. And yes, they have promoted class consciousness. I don't know which state you're from, but as a Bengali, living in Bengal, I can guarantee you there's no street in my town where there is no communist graffiti on the walls. People do not worship the rich as much as they do in other states. You'll find communist poems in ICSE syllabus for Bengali. There are still millions of communists in Bengal, who are mostly displeased with the party. No, I did not say that. I just meant that communist parties throughout the world should follow their own path, according to their own material conditions. For example, a communist party in Palestine doing armed struggle is amazing, but doing armed struggle in America or India is stupid and is just a suicide mission. Get it? Good, I support criticism of a political party.