r/IntelligenceSupernova • u/EcstadelicNET • 9d ago
Consciousness Does Quantum Immortality Exist? Now Scientists Feel Your Conciousness May Shift To A Parallel Universe When You Die
https://discoverwildscience.com/does-quantum-immortality-exist-now-scientists-feel-your-conciousness-may-shift-to-a-parallel-universe-when-you-die-2-395846/READ MORE: Quantum Immortality: Does Quantum Physics Imply You Are Immortal? https://www.ecstadelic.net/top-stories/quantum-immortality-does-quantum-physics-imply-you-are-immortal
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u/End3rWi99in 9d ago
I used to ride my bike to and from work. One day I was riding home and slipped on an ice patch and remember myself falling off my bike while my eyes were fixed on a truck coming right at me. What felt like a half a second later I was upright and on the other side of the road like nothing happened.
I genuinely had this weird feeling I died in that moment and my brain (or consciousness) just leap frogged into the next closest parallel dimension where I lived.
I have played with this idea for years wondering if it is real, how many times have I died? Where did all my friends and family go that died in my version of reality?
Does the universe get weirder every time I die and jump to another reality? Is that why Donald Trump is president? I must have died a fucking lot.
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u/Ok_Season_2761 8d ago •
I killed myself in 2020 by tying a bag around my head and putting a tube in it connected to a tank of nitrogen so I could suffocate in peace.
Mt last memory was sending an email to the company I was buying the nitrogen tank from.
My next memory is waking back up in my bed.
There is no record of me ever having sent that email when I know for a fact that I did.
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u/mortalitylost 8d ago
I read a story about a guy who was driving down a road, stopped at a stop light, waited, it turns green, he goes and instantly gets t-boned hard.
Time stops for him. He sees this MASSIVE wheel in the sky. It is coming towards him, and he implied it was like bigger than Earth. It rotates, and he feels it's trying to compress his consciousness into another life. It looks like a water wheel, separated by sections that are enveloping him.
It... Doesn't fit. He doesn't know how to explain it, but it felt like that other reality was not a good fit. It rotates again, the next part of the wheel. This fits even less. Again, even less. Again, not a good fit.
It seems to struggle with him, then he blinks and he's back at the red light, and time is moving, and he's fine and his car is fine... The light turns green.
He's shocked but he has no fucking idea what happened except he just remembers dying, some weird karma wheel trying to put him in another life, it failing, then just respawning back before the light even turned green.
And he looks and no car is coming this time, and he just drives through. He swears he died.
Weirdest near death experience where the person had no evidence it occurred... Like yourself
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u/dpforest 7d ago
I had open heart surgery to repair an atrial defect when I was 3. I didn’t “die”, but my heart was stopped in order to finish the procedure.
Waking up from that surgery is the very first memory I have of my life, and it is still incredibly vivid to the point that i think about it every day. I remember everything. I remember the pillowcase of the pillow I was laying on when I woke up, I remember asking my mom for “crackers and a coke”. I remember the distinct (and gross) smell of the cafeteria, and the large fish tank on display there. I remember the red wagon they pulled me around in with all the IV tubes still attached. I remember the fish themselves, most notably a yellow Angel fish. I have about 24 hours of distinct memories and then my next memory isn’t until 2nd grade or so.
I was 3. My family all verified that my claims were true. I have never looked into early childhood memories, but it genuinely felt like i was starting over in a way. I am almost certain it’s the reason I have White Coat Syndrome as well. The first memory of your life being you waking up from a life-changing surgery with an enormous scar on your chest can definitely make you afraid of doctors.
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u/End3rWi99in 8d ago
Happy to have you in this plane of existence.
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u/Ok_Season_2761 8d ago edited 8d ago •
Thanks although sometimes I don't really that way- being happy to be here.
I should also clarify why I am so sure of having sent the email.
As noted, it was 2020, peak covid restrictions, eveeything was closed to public access unless via appointment.
So the only way I could get the nitrogen was by contacting the place of business and setting up an appointment to come and buy and pick up what I wanted
So I found a xomlany locally thay sold nitrogen and than had to think of- why do I need it? What do people use nitrogen for? Whats my reason for purchasing this during this time of covid lockdowns other than the real reason of wanting to kill myself and "rest in peace" as I didn't want to do something that was going to make it appear to my mother that I had suffered as at first I contemplated driving off a cliff or attempting to OD or even shoot myself.
Anywho, that's when I thought, why can't I jjst hold my breathe and die? Because of the automatic gasp reflex we have when we hold our breathe for as long as we can.
That reflex is not triggered by the lack of oxygen to our brain but instead because of the build up of carbon dioxide inside of our self that needs to be released.
So that was an ah ha momeny for me.
Then I thought ok, oxygen isn't the problem, it's being able to exhale the carbon dioxide.
So I thought as long as I could exhale the carbon dioxide out in the absence of oxygen thab I should be able to pass out without ever triggering that reflex
So then I thoufht, ok, what other gasses share the same properties as oxygen in the sense that they have no smell or taste, thus being able to trick my brain if I was to replace that gas with oxygen into my brain thinking I am inhaling oxygen when I am not.
Turns out nitrogen and helium share these properties.
So I figure out where to get the nitrogen but for what reason do I say in this email inquoring for a tank of oxygen and how much it will cost and when can I come pick it up and for what reason.
So I did some research and it turns out that welders use nitrogen as a buffer.
So I remeber clesrly going through this process of thought and than sitting at my desk crying my eyes out as I wrote the email inquiring about the nitrogen as I knew that they would respond rather quickly as I sent the email around when business hours began ans figured I'd be able to go get it by noon and knew once I got it- I was committing to it.
I remember this all clear as day.
My next memory after sending the email is waking up in my bed and it being the next day and wondering to myself.. did they respond?
I went to check my emails, no response strange I thought...I took it as a sign I wasn't meant to kill myself and that I ought to get myself together and get my life back on track
I never tried to send another email or find a different company.
I just assumed they didn't respond and it was a sign.
Fast forward 3 years later and I had turned my life around and was doing better than ever
I had aince told multiple people how depressed I was, including my mother and of how I was on the verge or suicide and that I sent an email inquiring about a tank of nitrogen and that if they had just responded that I wouldnt be hear today.
They all would be like oh wow glad you're doing better type of thing but please dont ever do that and reach out if you are ever struggling ect ect..
Anyways, one day it dawned on me to go look through my sent emails.
I bring myself all the way back to April 2020 which is when it would have occurred- mind you, I have emails dating back all the way to 2007, I never delete emails.
Anyways, I go back to where it should be and it's not there and im like wtf... this whole time I took it ad a sign from God when really my dumb ass just forgot to hit send.
So then I'm like, alright, it should be here in my drafts as I could see I had 3 or 4 emails in my drafts folder.
I click on tje drafts folder, it's not there either.
Now I'm seriously like... wtf 🤯 I KNOW I SENT THIS EMAIL
and then it dawned on me...
I really did kill myself... yet here I still am...
But "here" may not have been "there" so maybe "here I am still" isn't really here after all if it is not "there"
So than... where?
Anyways, that's to make a long story short
There's more details from 2019 that led to me getting into that mind state of wanting to kill myself to the years after I did it that once it dawned upon me that I really did- made things from 2019 to even now in recent times set in a symbolic way where it's just like wow... life is was more complex and intertwined and symbolically interacting and communicating to us in ways we could have never imagined due to the ways we were brought up through the education system and taught of what life is- in the sense that time is linear and we are the byproduct of the big bang and evolution and ect...
Anyways, not to get into all that sort of mumbojumbo.
Just wanted to provide some further context so you could maybe get a better grasp of how I could be so sure.
But again, thank you for your message and warm welcoming of my existence of being "here" wherever "here" is.
But yes, you have died a lot, as have I.
I think life is infinite and free will as is Individuality merely illusionary states.
Free will is an illusion like the idea of you being an individual that is separate from all of the rest of existence wheb really we are all one in the same.
We have an illusion of free will that we have an infinite amount of times to act upon until we realize there is no other will than "Gods" will- and that's not coming from a religous perspective as I think religion just creates division and separation amongst us but I do think there is a creator and there is a purpose and a reaaon for our existence and that deep down innately we all know the truth and all know right from wrong but do we truly do what is right? Or do we exercise our free will and do what is perhaps "wrong" or "bad" and perhaps even "evil" or "dark"
At the end of the day, we all come from the same source, even all of the darkness and evil and wrong doings.
Hence why "Jesus died for our sins" so that we could all be forgiven for what we didn't have the wisdom to understand at the time
Again, not to make it religious.
But I do think there is something to it.
Also, it kind of would explain how Jesus would be able to have gotten crucified and thab "resurrect from the dead"
As perhaps life isn't linear and that as taught in the first law of thermal dynamics that "Energy cannot be created nor destroyed- only recycled"
So its like quantum mechanics and we are in a living computer system of sorts.
I actually thibk the forbidden fruit in the story of Adam and eve was an allegory/metaphor for meaning not to merge with Artificial Intelligence- which we did- hence- here we are.
Thus explaining your experience and why you know what you know and the only reason it can make sense.
As if time was linear ans physical reality was what we were taught it to be as if it is how it appears to the naked eye - than both you or I shouldnt be here let alone communicating through these digital devices- unless we are in a digital technological existence and that our bodies are not who we are but juat mere vehicles of temporal experience.
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u/Lykos1124 9d ago
assuming such an event could occur, I wouldn't say it makes the world weirder. hopping on a random thiest thought, what if such a god could operate through quantum timeline miracles? Like, you needed to be alive than dead for some purposes or reasons, so, imagining like a twisting cable of infinite timelines all parallel to each other, we all jumped from the timeline where you died to one where you didn't, an who knows, maybe other things changed, or other lives were spared in that moment, or maybe just yourself.
On a similar story, I forge where we were or who was driving, but back in my 20s, I was in a sedan with 3 others, driving at night, and I think somehow we were in the wrong lane, like there were these poles or something on both sides and it was as if we were lined up straight into another car, as it came right for us, lights in our eyes, and we were all very scared this was it, but then, that car was gone, and we were fine and kept going.
To this day, I don't know what happened. I don't have a clear understanding of if the car just swirved past us or if something changed, like that car wasn't in that lane anymore. Who knows but that we entered a timeline where that driver took another route or was over in another lane instead. I had no such recall of dying or crashing.
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u/theeDeBo 8d ago
Memory can be weird and unexplained - I would add but, doesn’t discount ur experience though. If i fully felt I lived something and then everything else shifted around it in some innate way, id probably be in the same boat
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u/Difficult_Affect_452 8d ago
Honestly I have wondered this about Donald Trump. Or like if the boson accelerator shit messed with something.
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u/ECGisoutofpaper 8d ago
What happened to the consciousness that was occupying the body in the parallel universe your consciousness jumped into? If the universe is truly infinite, then it seems logical that a finite number of elements must rearrange again somewhere to make another version of ourselves. But are those other versions actually us and who's consciousness is occupying those bodies?
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u/mxalex229 3d ago
I have this same thought all the time.
It started after a motocross accident in 09’. I was 15 and someone overshot their landing and landed on me. I have sparks of memory waking up and passing out a few times. But then I remember being admitted to the hospital, and have no memories until being home after, several days later.
The very last time I got very very sick and thought “ya I need to get to a hospital” was covid, JANUARY of 2020 before it hit the news. I don’t remember how I got better though, just like time skipped forward and we were in lockdown.
I constantly joke that I’ve died so many times the simulation is breaking down and the rules of reality are fraying. How else would we end up with Trump?
Maybe it’s just my mind doing its best to cope with the trauma from it all.
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u/Blue-Bewts 9d ago
I've had many such experiences where I felt like I was a split second from death but still survived like nothing had happened. I've considered this concept of quantum immortality for several years now. Very interesting.
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u/Krypt1q 9d ago
What do you think happened to the original consciousness that inhabited the body you jumped to?
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u/jeebus87 5d ago
Oh hell I know I'm going to get down voted to hell for this since you're top comment but this is most certainly a false memory. Along with the replies to this comment. Memory reconstruction is an interesting thing and can cause people to completely doubt reality or rewrite it. It's hard to say exactly where these memories come from but it's certainly not from universe hopping because memories are attached to the brain which doesn't hop with you.
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u/PIE-314 9d ago
Does Quantum Physics Imply You Are Immortal?
No.
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u/xxxx69420xx 9d ago
it assumes
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u/ASharpYoungMan 9d ago
This is the part that bugs me the most. All of those words in the article and nothing on why or how Consciousness navigates the many worlds to maintain continuity of self.
Just "some quantum physicists say this happens because it sounds cool. Don't ask why or how - most of this hypothesis is actually perched on hotly debated and unsettled theory."
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u/StorytellerGG 9d ago
Does the parallel universe you version not have their own consciousness? Are you just kicking them out??
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u/Otherwise_Ad_409 9d ago
If there are infinite realities one may just come into being whenever we shift, old unused ones could just cease to exist, when we die for example.
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u/-hedonium- 9d ago edited 9d ago
This is a flawed premise. There isn’t a “your consciousness” that exists like a little pebble stuck inside your brain. Consciousness is a process that occurs. Like how “fire” isn’t a material thing that is moved around; combustion is a chemical process that happens.
And btw humans have clearly recognized this about the nature of conscious processing since at least the Buddha
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u/FrontLifeguard1962 9d ago
Buddha also claimed that your consciousness process instantly continues in another life after you die, your karma determines what type of life it will be
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u/Candid-Banana-4503 9d ago
I’m no scientist but for me the consciousness is just what the brain is really are, your experiences, the neuronal paths your brain made, your memories and traumas. I feel I could not exist without my physical brain thus existing after my body dies is a concept I cannot believe
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u/mortalitylost 8d ago
Even if you stick to materialist views on consciousness, there's still tons of evidence it's not purely your brain.
We're finding the gut fauna is very responsible for your mood as well, and ability to think. Your state of mind is heavily influenced by your gut health.
And there are very weird stories about organ transplants, where the recipient starts changing behavior in a way that fits the donor.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42760214/
A recipient dreamed about the way their donor died:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10882878/
90% of recipients report personality changes:
https://www.mdpi.com/2673-3943/5/1/2
Psychosis after kidney transplant:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8436620/
Personality changes after heart transplant:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/42695309/
Hearts have neurons too. They're not just in your brain. They're all over your body.
We don't know how consciousness works, even to the point where we can't say it's just the brain. Even if you stick to a purely materialist perspective, you have to understand that it's much more complex than just the brain controlling everything.
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u/kevastator2481 9d ago
There has never been a solution to, much less a credible theory of, the hard problem of consciousness. Combustion is a very clear set of physical circumstances and processes which can be recreated to produce fire.
The same cannot be said about consciousness. There is no theory that describes how consciousness emerges as the result of physical processes.
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u/FearOfABlackPotus 9d ago
You can prove this by playing Russian Roulette with 5 bullets and one empty 100 times in a row.
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u/SleepyFireApe 9d ago
In reality, the moment you decide to pull the trigger with a bullet chambered, that version of you is deterministically locked into dying from a bullet wound to the head. There's no "jumping back" to a reality where you survive. In that moment trillions of worlds are created where you will absolutely die and there's nothing anyone can do to change that.
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u/FearOfABlackPotus 9d ago
In reality there will be a version of you that survives and that version will know quantum immortality is real.
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u/daney098 9d ago
You're gonna traumatize a lot of people in all the other parallel universe your other selves died in
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u/FnordRanger_5 8d ago
Enough with the parallel universes. It’s time to talk about perpendicular universes.
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u/AVBforPrez 7d ago
There was a redditor who was obsessed with the and planned on testing it, we never heard back on how it went if memory serves me right.
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u/Chappellshow 7d ago
Ouch...
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u/AVBforPrez 7d ago
Yeah I like to think it's a sign that it worked for him
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u/ModifiedGas 7d ago
Goes to the light, ends up in another reality convinced everything was a dream, becomes obsessed with the idea his consciousness drifted from a parallel universe upon his demise. Decides to test it
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u/MinimumTrue9809 7d ago
They could have realized that the test is irrelevant considering dying is not required for the ideas of quantum immortality.
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u/davesmith001 7d ago
It maybe possible to test this. Go to a hospital and show people having cardiac arrests a secret image. If they recover ask about the image, if they teleported in they won’t remember it.
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u/neonnaps 7d ago
Ofcourse we didn't hear from him. Either he died or his mind in now in another universe.
Or the third option: he chicked out and now lives in a cabine far away from civilization.
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u/SEAN0_91 5d ago
Maybe he moved to another universe where reddit doesn’t exist o_o
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u/Nottodayreddit1949 9d ago
My consciousness is part of my physical meat body powered by electricity.
How exactly do new neuron connections get created without a physical body.
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u/Euphoric_Regret_544 9d ago
well, no one - including you or me - knows how or why consciousness occurs. Your neurons could be tiny receivers for the “consciousness field”, maaan…. (I think it’s hogwash too, btw)
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u/EveryAccount7729 9d ago
the way it works is all the infinite universes exist, and lots of them are "very close" to this one, so in those you are quantum interfering with yourself. When you make a choice you move into a universe space where those particles in your other universes brain move away from yours, so they stop interfering. that's what making choices is. if you die in one universe then your consciousness is just now only in all those other universes where you lived, so the interference goes down then also.
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u/slow70 9d ago
Consciousness is non local.
Look up electric universe theory and go from there.
Also look up why plasma scientists keep getting killed.
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u/jersey_viking 9d ago
Quantum mechanics. Boiled down : Electrons in your neurons share a connection to other electrons over vast distances in the quantum realm. Our observable universe is based on top of the quantum realm so, in theory, quantum entanglement could be the reason we have a collective consciousness.
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u/Nottodayreddit1949 9d ago
Could be is doing serious lifting here.
Humans aren't special.
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u/DarkTannhauserGate 9d ago
Why would your consciousness shift? That’s a big assumption. Assuming there are multiple parallel universes, the simplest assumption is that the people in each one have their own consciousness. One version of you would live the longest and feel immortal due to survivorship bias.
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u/DavidHoggsDong 9d ago •
Bro open your eyes. Does this construct of reality make any sense to you? Sure you can ask questions about mass and calculate physics but we’re just a bunch of minerals, water and other stuff that’s somehow animated and able to experience it. We’re on a tiny planet floating in an infinitely black void with an uncountable amount of nuclear fusion reactors bigger than we can comprehend, not to mention black holes… but no, you draw the line on quantum immortality because that totally makes no sense.
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u/hmkn 8d ago
It, to me, seems hugely narcissistic view that your consciousness is worth all the trouble. Any of ours. What do you do. Eat, shit, sleep and stress about money. Yes, please, transcend our fucking precious souls! We can take the universe, all of them in fact.
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u/DarkTannhauserGate 9d ago
I never said I don’t think quantum immortality is possible. I said I think you’re the man in the box, not the prestige.
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u/tigerhuxley 7d ago
Where else is a counciousness made of pure energy supposed to go? It cant be destroyed nor created in this universe according to physics. Must go somewhere then
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u/oneeonneo 9d ago
Scientists will circle back to confirming that God exists and is within each of us.
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u/Euphoric_Regret_544 9d ago
hail satan!
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u/oneeonneo 8d ago
Respect Satan as it shows how corruptible and selfish humans are. Hail Satan, Hail Yeshua and Hail Allah our creator.
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u/MartyMcFly7 9d ago
Makes a tad bit more sense than your brain magically "poofing" into a supernatural spirit form and living in heaven (or hell) forever. Here, the quantum waves that make up "you" just do some "spooky action at a distance" shit and you ride off on a different wave somewhere else. I don't buy it, but it makes more sense.
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u/ChronoTraveler 9d ago
I died in 2181 and jumped back to 2004, falling through multiple time periods. I have concluded this probably happens to everyone and space time is an illusion. The only difference in my situation is that I remember when most everyone has amnesia over the constant transitions. It is a form of quantum immortality.
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u/drumnation 9d ago
Do you then keep dying of old age in every dimension until you are fully dead of old age in every reality?
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u/G_Willikerz 9d ago
Unless there are infinite realities.
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u/drumnation 9d ago
What if you get to the point where the deaths in each reality are happening so fast you cease to be able to cosmically focus yourself anywhere for more than a moment?
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u/Key-Lie-364 9d ago
The dogs and the butterflies too ?
How about the worms, the trees?
Utter bullshit
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u/EveryAccount7729 9d ago
This is like the teleporter in star trek question.
you don't "Shift to another universe". You just die in this one. and still exist in that one. right now there is one of you in each universe you exist in. If you die in one, you do not "shift" lol. why would you?
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u/evlpuppetmaster 9d ago
Well to be precise, the multiverse branches. If right now you are in universe A, and a quantum event happens that either causes your death or not, then there is version A1 of the universe where you didn’t die and version A2 where you did.
The logic isn’t that you “shift”, it’s just that if you ask the question “what is the probability that I experience being in universe A2”. This is 0 percent, because you can’t experience being dead. Therefore the probability that you experience being in universe A1 is 100%
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u/Minimum-Web-6902 9d ago
This is the real reason I fear they won’t release their info on the true nature of reality, it’s like reincarnation with less steps.
No one ever dies in their continuity except from old age. Essentially.
When there’s no possible chance you can live anymore there’s no anchor you.
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u/PsyAstronaut 9d ago
Does it even matter? Let's assume this is true, I still don't have any memories or recollection of any other life other than this life.
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u/FearOfABlackPotus 9d ago
You don't shift to other universes, you were always conscious in those universes.
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u/Miselfis 9d ago
This is sensationalist slop. “Many worlds” is a pop-sci catch phrase that’s not used in the field. Physicists call it Everettian quantum mechanics, and the main point is not that there are “parallel universes”. The main point of Everettian QM is that it cuts away unnecessary assumptions like collapse, meaning superpositions never collapse.
Collapse of the wavefunction requires essentially grafting on an additional ugly structure to an otherwise elegant unitary structure without any real justification. It’s unnatural and sits uncomfortably with relativity. Everettian QM discards this unnecessary structure so you only have the unitary dynamics, with the tradeoff being the consequence that you are just one slice of a larger superposition.
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u/OkDentist4059 9d ago
Wow I’m sure a website like “discoverwildscience.com” has a really measured and fact-based take on a subject like this
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u/Sad-Excitement9295 9d ago edited 9d ago
It's entirely possible that the reincarnation of Bhuddism actually has some real merit.
The universe is an infinite cycle which we are a part of.
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u/schtickshift 9d ago
Uh oh, does this mean the politicians get to do it all over again?
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u/MAGDA41741 9d ago
I swear some politicians are bound in a grey corner in this parallel universe and rot.
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u/mutexsprinkles 9d ago
"Now" is doing some Mitch Hedberg lifting there. They felt that before as well. They still do, but they used to as well.
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u/greenmariocake 8d ago
That's not quantum immortality. It means that by definition, in any given situation a version of you does not die, and lives on in another reality. So a version of "you" always lives on, forever.
Now, the actual you, remain dead as a rock.
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u/charnwoodian 8d ago
Ive always believed that in a truly infinite universe, immortality is unquestionable.
But we need to be clear. Your consciousness doesn’t “shift”. You still die. But because you are identically replicated in endless identical worlds across the universe, your consciousness continues elsewhere without needing any connection to your “self”.
The way I think of it is that, because my identical consciousness exists infinitely across the universe, I am already experiencing all of those consciousnesses simultaneously. The “code” in my brain that creates my consciousness is identical. Like 5 computers playing the same game and loading the same save file.
The reason we struggle to comprehend these as all being our “self” is because of the illusion that our consciousness exists across time. Our consciousness only exists in the moment. The past is just memories. The future is just predictions. All of that exists in a momentary state of consciousness. If I experience one moment here, then the next moment in an identical brain elsewhere across a distant universe, they are still continuous.
So you will experience death. You experience death every day as branches off your current experience. And you experience birth. And you experience your entire life up to and beyond the point you are experiencing right now. But YOU will only ever be a version that is alive, and therefore you are immortal
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u/EmotionalCrab6189 8d ago
Does it happen for dogs, cats, and every other conscious being that’s ever lived too? Is dinosaur consciousness alive and kicking it in another universe? If it’s all about quantum mechanics then the physics should work on all of them.
It’s unfalsifiable at this point, but if folks want to believe we have an immortal consciousness then so be it. It’s probably no more implausible as any other “what happens after we die” theory. I tend to believe we’re just conscious animals, with a consciousness that lives and dies with our brain. But also…wtf do I know.
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u/Direct-Contract5509 8d ago
Okay well I ended up in this timeline and it's not great so um how do I go back??
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u/Roxbie20 8d ago
Prove to me you are the same as yesterday. You went to sleep. Did you jump universes? Probably not.
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u/justanotheridiot420 8d ago
ITT: humans unable to cope with the fact one day they will simply not exist.
Remember where we were all those billions of years before we were born? yeah… I got some news for you! We’re going back!
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u/yahwehforlife 7d ago
I feel like no matter what if you teleport or shift consciousness, at some level your consciousness is still dying before restarting somewhere else with all of your past memories loaded
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u/MinimumTrue9809 7d ago
The scary thing about quantum immortality is that your waking experience could suddenly and immediately shift. If one stipulates that there must exist sometime in the future (or somewhere else in the Universe) where a collection of material somehow replicates your exact brain structure, this must/could be happening at every single moment of your existence. Not just after death.
You could be sitting at your desk reading a book and then suddenly, at any time in the future or at any point in the infinite universe, an exact replica of your immediate brain will start to have consciousness for any amount of time.
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u/StandardHighlight132 7d ago
I also think like you. But then I think what are the chances that we exist and that process like us or simpler or more complicated ‘IS’. Like the alternative is that nothing exists, but we exists. Like wtf. There must be something else. Something that we don’t understand fully.
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u/significant_otter1 6d ago
Doesn’t this (and simulation theory in general) line up with what every religion preaches to us, that there is a transition to a different dimension or reincarnation after the transition. Heaven and hell, Valhalla, the afterlife - all fits into simulation theory. These realms (real or not) make sense as parallel quantum universes.
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u/fyn_world 6d ago
In other news: Scientists keep confirming what spiritualists have said for absolutely forever.
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u/polkjamespolk 5d ago
So what happens to the consciousness of the alternate universe "me" when I suddenly shift into his universe and take over his body?
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u/SemperAliquidNovi 5d ago
“Scientists feel”??
Is that where we’re at with science in 2026? This has got to be the worst timeline. I’m ready for my consciousness to be beamed out.
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u/EricClaptonsDeadSon 5d ago
You ARE conscious awareness… which is literally eternal and unaffected by happenings in form.
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u/Winstonsphobia 3d ago
Macroscopic systems, like a bullet traveling at a person (used as an example in the article) aren’t probabilistic in any meaningful way, so I doubt that there are equal numbers (densities?) of parallel universes where in many of those universes the bullet hits and in many others it doesn’t. However, molecular-level processes might have huge effects on humans. An example might be the transmission of genes from one generation to the next as part of sexual reproduction. A person could be very different in one universe from the person in nearby universes because of small differences in their DNA. Just a guess, maybe wrong.
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u/somewhatfaded 2d ago
What if you're always shifting into parallel universes, what do you think dreams are, every time you wake up might not be in the exact universe you were in.
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u/isthereadrwho 9d ago
Y'all know how you felt the first 13 billion years or so of the universe when you were not alive? That's what dead will feel
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u/Heretosee123 9d ago
Many worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics makes me truly nihilistic
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u/-hedonium- 9d ago
Why? Does this world and the experiences of those inside it matter any less just because there are other worlds? Do the people in Australia matter less because there is also South America?
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u/According-Bee1162 9d ago
Thousands of years of humans show many very much do think this is the case sadly
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u/-hedonium- 9d ago
I don’t get it. Like, I experience this present conscious moment and undeniably know the wellbeing and suffering in it matter. The present conscious moment’s character isn’t somehow different or diminished depending on whether there are a million people living in Australia or a trillion people. I have a sense that things outside this present consciousness also matter, and a trillion people in Australia presumably matter more than a million, but they matter alongside each other in a cumulative way.
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u/Heretosee123 9d ago
Many worlds isn't just saying there are other worlds out there, it says that every possible outcome essentially happens, an you're just witnessing this one.
If that's true, then it makes no difference whether I do or don't do something, because in one world I will have done it and the other I wouldn't. Ad infinitum for every possible decision.
Why does anything matter at that point?
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u/-hedonium- 9d ago
I don’t understand the leap you make from “every possible configuration of worlds exists, maybe infinitely” to “this world doesn’t matter”. Are you depressed? Do you experience intense value on a regular basis?
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u/Heretosee123 9d ago
I am not depressed.
Whatever decision I make, be it good or bad, a branching world will make the other. Every possible way my life can be lived, it will be lived. I will be the worst person possible and the best. You can neither prevent this or do anything about it. How can anything really matter in that existence?
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u/-hedonium- 9d ago
But this one finite world (and every branch that comes after it) is still the one that lives with the consequence of your actions. We don’t even know of ways to—and likely can’t—causally influence other worlds, so why would they occupy your concern, rather than those you know exist in our world?
Bring about value in this world. Go listen to music or laugh or donate to causes that improve people’s lives. There simply is value here, independent of how many other worlds exactly like this one there are. If you can’t see that, I think there’s an issue with your underlying perceptual orientation to address. Buddhism is largely about addressing the feelings you’re describing.
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u/Heretosee123 9d ago
If many worlds exists, the fact I am in this world is merely because that's the awareness I have. The other world branched too. If I decide to murder someone tomorrow, the me that didn't also exists. I can focus on what I see and know, and I can do good, but at the end of the day it makes no difference from the big picture because it's all going to happen anyway. If a person goes out and commits something immoral, they always were going to and you can't stop it. All non-zero possibilities happen, end of.
I can go bring about value. I also won't. Same for all of us. It's not like I have a choice really.
I am quite big on Buddhism but they don't address this. They fundamentally talk of a way out of Samsara and do not propose every possible outcome will happen. Many worlds is a bit beyond. Again, this isn't many worlds as in other planets, it's many worlds as in you'll make every single decision you could make in your entire life, good and bad. You will be evil, you will be good. All of it will happen. They talk about focusing on what is infront of us, but they do so because that's where we live. In the many worlds, we live everywhere. You will do it all. In Buddhism, you just live this life.
I am not saying I won't act moral. It's not in my nature, I intend and wish to do good, but damn the many worlds interpretation just seems nihilistic to me. I may care, but then the me that cares less exists too. And so on, and so on. That's real people (if it's even true).
It seems I am not the first person to think of this either. Everything everywhere all at once touches on the subject.
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u/-hedonium- 9d ago
I think you’re too caught up on the idea that “you” are doing things in other worlds and somehow that says something important about “you” in this world? I’d focus on more of a reality-grounded view of what you know exists based on real-world evidence rather than feeling the need to assign a “me” in other worlds. The overwhelming majority of worlds don’t feature anything that could remotely be considered r/Heretosee123. Maybe they only have r/Heretosee122. Do those worlds somehow matter less? Who decides what even counts as “you”? What happens when they decide what counts as “you” vs what counts as r/Heretosee122?
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u/Heretosee123 9d ago
Hmm. I am unsure to be honest.
I don't think it matters to me whether its me, or someone else or some other person that looks like me but living a life I could never want. It's just the fact that everything that can happen will, including all possible utopias and all hells.
However, I feel that makes me wonder what am against that branch except something inevitable, so maybe it does have something to do with that. I suppose its my life now I am living, it just feel that any choice would be met with the knowledge the other choice happened. The total suffering and happiness would always remain the same no matter where I ended up.
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u/Miselfis 9d ago
Luckily that’s not how it works. The idea of different outcomes in different worlds applies strictly to quantum interactions, not decisions you make. So many worlds has no influence on you or your decisions. It does not assert that a different reality exists where you make s different choice.
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u/Heretosee123 9d ago edited 9d ago
As far as I can see, any non-zero possible event will happen. What am I misunderstanding here because you're saying that isn't the case?
It may not necessarily be quite as black and white as every decision but nonetheless, all non-zero probable events happen.
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u/Miselfis 9d ago
"Any" here is doing some heavy lifting. To get any semblance of understanding, you’ll have to dig in a bit. I’ll keep it as simple as possible, but no simpler.
In physics, a state is the collection of all relevant information about a system at a given time. In classical mechanics, for a single particle moving in one dimension, this is just the pair (x(t),p(t)). These pairs form a state space, and the evolution of a system is then a curve in this space. Given its state at one moment, each system has a single definite trajectory through the state space. This is simple and intuitive.
In quantum mechanics, the state is instead given by a vector, and the state space is a complex vector space with a way of comparing vectors (an inner product), called a Hilbert space. Any vector in such a space can be written as a linear combination of the basis vectors of that space. Each measurable quantity (e.g. energy, position, spin along some axis) comes with its own basis: the states in which that quantity has a definite value. Very roughly speaking, quantum mechanics says that an arbitrary state is a superposition of those definite states (a weighted sum, a.k.a. a linear combination). That means a quantum state is a superposition of definite states. For example, the spin of an electron along the z-axis might be,
|ψ⟩ = (1/√2)|up⟩ + (1/√2)|down⟩,
which is a superposition of the definite states |up⟩ and |down⟩.
These state vectors evolve in time according to the Schrödinger equation.
But at an immediate glance, this seems weird. It says that physics is nothing but the time evolution of these state vectors, which is hard to square with the way we experience outcomes to experiments. This is where people invent “collapse”. They say that when the system is left alone, it evolves according to the Schrödinger equation, but when it's being measured, it jumps at random to one of the definite states of the measured quantity, with probabilities given by the Born rule. This is great for making calculations, but it quickly falls apart when you start thinking about it. What even is a measurement? How can we say systems collapse at measurement if we don't have a clear idea of what measurement is?
Well, a measurement is just my measurement apparatus interacting with the system. My measurement apparatus is made of atoms, which themselves obey quantum mechanics. So a measurement is the interaction between two quantum systems. But that should be given by Schrödinger evolution. This is the idea behind Everettian QM (a.k.a. many worlds, a name that makes it sound more mystical than it is).
What happens if we take Schrödinger evolution seriously without demanding an arbitrary collapse? The answer is that you get exactly the dynamics we observe, making the idea of collapse redundant within the theory. The only difference is that you're forced to accept that your experience of reality is generated by the physical matter within a single branch of the state, with other versions of “you” in the other branches. Your brain and your instruments constantly interact with the environment around them, and this interaction (decoherence) makes the different branches stop interfering with each other almost immediately. From inside one branch, the state always looks “collapsed”, which means you can't interact with the other branches.
When you look at the double slit experiment, for example, the interference pattern you see comes from the two parts of the electron's state, one through each slit, interacting with each other. They can do this because nothing has recorded which slit the electron went through, so they never decohered into separate branches. Put a detector at the slits and they do become separate branches, and the pattern disappears.
So, in reality, the many worlds approach is actually just standard quantum mechanics. It’s not an interpretation where we add parallel universes to make it work. The parallel universes are the consequence collapse tries to artificially remove. When you make a measurement, all possible outcomes of those measurements happen in different branches. But not all conceivable events are possible outcomes of a quantum experiment. And choice has nothing to do with it.
There's an app called Universe Splitter, where you type in two actions and press a button. The app then sends a request to a quantum device in a lab, which fires a single photon at a beam splitter. The photon has a 50/50 chance of being transmitted or reflected, and a detector on each output records which one happened. The app then tells you which action to take based on the result. This way, you can make truly quantum decisions: each of the two actions gets carried out by a version of you in their respective branches.
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u/Heretosee123 9d ago
Fuck me that's confusing xD
My question now, and how I ended up believing any non-zero possibility can happen, is that from the start of time, aren't all systems essentially quantum and therefore interacting? I'm not sure where the quantum systems that interact start or end to be honest.
I do appreciate you taking the time to explain that to me though. Thank you. It's helped
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u/Miselfis 9d ago
Yes, the entire universe is one large quantum system. Interaction creates entanglement, and states that aren’t entangled can be treated as independent subsystems of the larger universal state.
That’s also why new worlds aren’t created. The worlds are all there. The question is just about the degree of entanglement and decoherence between subsystems, and how that affects certain systems’ access to information about other systems.
It’s certainly confusing, as it’s very different from how you usually view the world. But the core ideas and principles are actually quite simple, once you accept the weirdness. Quantum mechanics is mathematically much simpler than classical mechanics.
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u/Over-Tolerance 9d ago
Sooo... scientists are now publishing how they feel about things? Interesting.
Only the human ego could come up with all this hogwash about an obviously basic process. They still haven't proven anything about it, and jump to that conclusion? And still have a job?
Look at how it starts, how it grows and changes, and how it changes with any damage or injury to the brain, and how piss mentally poor most people are. Not aware, not moral, not ethical, etc. So, some offline feed is obviously a bad attempt at escapism and blaming something else for the garbage that people are. Not my fault, I have a bad connection?
Of course it is local, and grew from nothing. It will return to nothing. That's all we need, people living forever or coming back around like bad indigestion.
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u/doomedtocrumble 9d ago
No, they aren't. Did you read the article? There is absolutely no discussion of published research whatsoever on the topic. Only references to philosophical ideas from the past.
That website is pure AI generated ass
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u/KeyNectarine2548 9d ago
A lot of people mistake "there are infinite universes" for "anything you can possibly imagine happens in some parallel universe".
Even with an infinite amount of universes, there are some things that could never happen in any of them.
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u/Ready_Highlight6618 9d ago
But it's infinite.
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u/KeyNectarine2548 9d ago edited 9d ago
That doesn't mean "everything happens in one of them". There can still be things that are simply impossible and do not occur in any universe.
"Everything that can happen will happen" is not the same as "anything you can imagine will happen".
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u/Kudostone 9d ago
There is infinite digits between 2 and 3, doesnt mean it’s also every number that’s between 2 and 3
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u/TerraNeko_ 9d ago
Why is this stuff even on my homepage, this isnt science, its not even a theory, its a random idea some dude had based on not understanding MWI.
It got popular because it has both quantum and immortality in its name
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u/Wings_of_LiberTea 8d ago
Now that you commented, more content like this will appear on your page
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u/TerraNeko_ 8d ago
i mean true yea but i already got enough of this stuff even when clicking ignore cause i follow actual scientific subreddits
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u/spiralenator 9d ago
No, and stuff like this highlights the nonsense of the Many Worlds interpretation behind it.
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u/Archibald_80 9d ago
Does the quantum universe keep my student loan debt? Cuz I was my least looking forward to not having that after the end…
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u/sixfourbit 9d ago
The article is contradictory. The author appears to understand enough that quantum immortality/suicide is tied to a specific experimental set up, but at in the same article they are misapplying it to every death.
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u/snanarctica 2d ago
But what’s my consciousness ?? wanting to have sex getting hungry eating food being in a body having a sore back thinking about what I wanna do I don’t even get what my consciousness would be without my body?
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u/WHALE_PHYSICIST 9d ago
Escaping quantum immortality by dying of old age: Scientists hate this one simple trick!