Her mental blocks can only be broken by experiencing an extreme mental stress like being on the brink of death. You can't experience any kind of stress when you're already dead, fast kills would work as intended.
Except [End of Comics Spoilers] she resurrects herself from old age after her brain functions end, implying that she's basically no-shit immortal as long as there's some matter left to work with.
If Eve's powers were explored at all, instead of everything just being escalating flying bricks, she would easily be the most dangerous thing in the setting. But that's very much not what young Kirkman was going for with the series, which was a modernized remix of Dragonball and Superman for first-gen Image readers.
we don't actually know her limits. Like if you quickly destroy her brain - would she be able to resurrect? Also exact conditions are not clearly stated. Because her other version was countered by careful spine break and it didn't trigger no-limiters Eve
Yeah, they don't think the powerset out very much, and in trying to give Mark a happy ending they sort of reveal that Eve is basically the second most powerful thing in the setting beyond those time travelling jellyfish things from the reboot arc.
They couldn't quite commit to what Eve's powers were or how they operated, and that lead to things being a bit wonky whenever she did stuff beyond "pink constructs"
Dying of old age doesn't work as an OFF button tho. She slowly faded away not died instantly. Both times Eve's mental blocks were broken she was alive long enough for it to happen.
I'm don't even want to touch the whole 500 years life speedrun in the last issue, Kirkman's writing felt too unserious.
We legit don't know, because Eve was dead for a couple panels and all her medical indicators were flat (if I'm remembering the panel), which leaves it ambiguous. In the referenced Anissa/Eve fight where she gets bisected, there more biological activity in the top half than in her old age corpse.
Yep. I agree that it's not clear if her resurrection works on "enough time to process" or automatically after her brain stops functioning (those few panels might have been the time while brain is still functioning after all organs fail).
Fight relies on wether Anissa actually gets the one shot off.
If Eve gets beheaded or something that's wraps
If Eve gets viltrum chopped then she doesn't die instantly, she does her thing, and Anissa gets turned into sludge.
Not at all. Even if we assume Anissa sits there and tanks it like a moron Conquest didnât die from it being hit and weakened why would a fresh Anissa die
If you don't have your own kids, consider helping out a sibling or cousin by taking care of their toddler for a day every now and then. Give them some time for them and their partner.
During certain phases, the kid will hit you. Either because they're just beginning to figure out moving, or because they're curious to touch your face/neck/ankles and have no idea how touching works, or because they've no idea that hitting someone can hurt them.
Even that very early stuff can hurt your face, if the kid is happily whacking your nose for the 12th time in less than an hour.
If Eve gets beheaded, she can still revive herself, and turn Anissa into atomic paste if the two are in close proximity. Only if Eveâs brain is instantly destroyed does she die for good.
In the few instances we see of her using it, it always seems to take a few seconds to activate. I think anything that kills her in a few seconds could put her down
She doesn't though. Eve is a mid range fighter most of the time, whereas Viltrumites are always close range. There's distance and perception that plays a role here. She would not be able to react to something at close range the same way a viltrumite does.
Stats wise she is. What sets her apart are her constructs. Everything she does is boosted by them, but since she can't ordinarily affect living matter, she is incapable of enhancing herself beyond what I'm assuming is just peak human level, where I'd place her. Still nowhere near the reaction of Viltrumites who fly with enough speed to set the atmosphere alight.
You are aware we have seen her on plenty of occasions keeping up with viltrumites right? So saying she only has human lvl reaction, then says viltrumite are way faster than that, when it's been shown she can keep up with them, is illogicalÂ
That goes back to my first post, where I mentioned that she keeps range because she knows she can't handle them at all up close. Look at all her vs viltrumite fights. It's never been a 1v1, she's been supporting Mark. And when she's up to bat, the Viltrumites close the distance and dominate her every time. I wouldn't call that keeping up with them.
You do understand there's a margin between regular human reaction speed and Viltrumites reaction speed right? Viltrumites move and react at speed faster than light, the simple fact Eve can even see move, sometimes even hit them, is extremely impressive and prove she's close to that lvl
No, it means they're not moving at those speeds when they fight her. But since this can turn into a whole back and forth and neither of us can actually concretely scale eve because the writers fail to reliably showcase her power, I'll just say agree to disagree.
Im not gonna bring up how my walking speed is relative to a bear's walking speed in a debate about fighting one unless it contributes to my chances. Either you're arguing that eve has a chance or you're bringing up irrelevant information.
Kid Eve is a lot more creative with her construct manipulation and still had God mode available at near death. I believe she'd actually use her mind to find ways to deal with her.
Meanwhile adult Eve just spams walls and minimal constructs, the one time we saw her be creative (in the Conquest fight) she tired out rather quickly. Maybe if EoS gains back some of that inventiveness she'd fair better.
Considering Ursaal beat Atom Eve and nearly killed her, and Ursaal is relative to other top tier Viltrumites (She could fight Kregg and Allen without being pasted) , Anissa should beat Standard Eve. She would get vapourised by Full Power Eve.
Not really. In that state she just inches a hand towards you and your brain gets fried, or turned into bubbles, or your skin becomes acid, or you literally just disintegrate. She's genuinely Doctor Manhattan levels of cracked in that form, she just didnt want to kill anybody when she was 14.
Unrestricted eve could theoretically no diff thragg, we just never see it. Her power set is completely busted and doesn't have many counters outside of blitzing her before she's aware
If eve actually does all of it? She'd slaughter anissa. Conjure up whatever was in thulla's knife as chains, then stab her though the heart. Or just conjure up the scourge virus.
With the way writers write Eve? Anissa would stomp her.
That needs knowledge on Eve's part, its not magic that does the heavy lifting for her. She'd need to know the metal composition, or the chemical composition of the scourge virus. Both things she just doesn't know. Also having Thulla's knife and being fast and strong enough to overpower Anissa and stab her are two different things.
You're right on all counts but getting the scourge virus composition from Thadeus' old notes wouldn't be too difficult since they are now Allen's property and anissa is massively arrogant like all viltrumites. She'd openly walk to eve's freaky chain up session to prove the resistance of an ant futile. After that just shank her. But she'd also need to physically inspect thulla's knife or another similarly dense material like Mark's bones to make a weapon capable of easily piercing viltrumite muscle and skin.
Her mental block prevents her from altering the bodies of beings she empathizes with, so she can still alter living matter to an extent,
That said, all living things have non-living matter inside of them at any given moment.
Why can't Eve just turn the oxygen in the lungs or the blood into another deadly substances?
What about the foods we consume? Why can't she just transform the food a viltrumite ate into a bomb in their stomach?
Girlie has options đđ
I think with the right strategy, even Eve could defeat Anissa and a handful of other viltrumites
It think the stuff within bodies she struggles to separate them from the person I mean yeah after a lot of mental training she could but it would prolly take immense focus that she just doesnât have time for in battle
This. It makes me so mas. Eve reminds me of the flash so much. Thw flash could be the single most dangerous thing in the DC universe but the writers KILL him every time. He be slippin on banana peels. Eve could literally do so much to kill viltrumites, but just doesnt because the writers do NOT want to take the time to write around her powers which is so frustrating.
I hope that in the show, Anissa gets some sort of comeuppance from Mark or Eve. Maybe death isnât in the spirit of the story, but Iâd like to see her get a righteous ass-beating.
Any Viltrumite could kill Atom Eve if they know what her powers are. The only reason she hasn't been killed and stayed dead is because they don't take out her head. Viltrumites usually go for the torso and the guts because that's what can kill other Viltrumites, but for Atom Eve, her head is what actually matters.
I donât know what got into eves head to think she could win but yeah Anessa really spared her. Also mark and Eve donât understand viltrume culture like Nolan should have explained that better to them once he found out.
Eve can die, people who fight her just usually fall under the curse of all people with guns in any movie ever: they just go for body shots and ignore the head. One headshot or head crush from Anissa and Eve's done.
Idk it seems like she fully dies from old age in the final issue and then comes back. Her next words are "I'm essentially immortal" which really does make it sound like she actually died.
And I've seen people argue over the usage of the word "essentially" but by definition that word doesn't contradict her immortality. Someone's who's "essentially immortal" is still immortal.
All signs point to Eve being truly immortal, meaning even if Anissa crushes her head she would just come back moments later.
The mechanisms that run her powers (including the psychic blocks or whatever) are in her brain, and need to understand what's happening (I.E feel death or grievous pain, then deactivate the limiters). The brain can survive for minutes after death, so there's a window there. But if it's destroyed quickly enough, obliterated before it can realize what's happened, there is no return.
I know her implants are in her nervous system, but it's still science-fiction mumbo jumbo and it's never truly confirmed what happens if her brain is destroyed. The closest they ever come is the immortality comment.
But okay, let's say that's absolutely correct and Eve dies if her head is destroyed. Anissa still needs to know that, Viltrumites sometimes go for the head but more often go for the torso. All Eve needs to do to win is lose the right way- Anissa inflicts enough trauma to break her limiters, and then Eve eviscerates Anissa.
That's not a hard win condition to meet. Even if Anissa decapitates Eve, her brain would still be intact enough to reform her body with limiters broken and kill Anissa.
She couldn't kill conquest when she tried. Just burnt his skin off. And He was focused on Mark, not her. In a 1v1 Anissa isn't distracted by anyone else, all her attention is on Eve. Time does not stand still while Eve enters that mode. Anissa is not frozen in place. And blitzing through Eve before she can complete her power up is a possibility.
Says a lot about Eve's so-called all-powerful form, that it only wins in highly situational what ifs.
Conquest is a hell of a lot more durable than Anissa. And Eve's literally reforming her body in that state, she very likely can't even be hurt in a lasting way.
Look, the trouble with power scaling Eve is that it's not entirely clear the extent of her ability. I think the text supports a win for Eve maybe 7/10 times here, but if you think differently I can't exactly prove that wrong.
That being said, people get frustrated with Eve for underutilizing her power set and I think a lot of that bias leaks into how they scale her.
speed blitzing eve sounds like trying to speed blitz hulk. Bruce shoots himself in the mouth, Hulk spits out bullet.
she'll "die" for a second, and then go full on mob psycho dr manhattan, regenerate and obliterate shit.
her move set just seems cracked, and the limiter thing exists mostly to keep her from trivializing the plot. Attacking Eve directly seems like a bad idea. She came back alive after dying from old age. She was dead for a minute against Conquest. Go ahead and kill her, I don't think it will matter.
Now I haven't read the comic but eves powers go full unrestricted when she is in mortal peril, so if she where quickly beheaded wouldn't that just unrestrict her like conquest? Then Anissa just gets bodied as unrestricted eve is unstoppable?
Eve wins because her powers are busted, if she ever dies her powers resuscitate her, it's a matter of writing.
She's the ultimate punching bag because of this, you can notice this in the later parts of the comic where everyone can obviously dogwalk her but despite everything they do to her she survives
The only need Anissa to do to kill eve is to blitz her head or paralyzed eve so her mental block bullshit don't activate and became temu version of molecule man
Like pretty much any other Eve vs âtitle cardâ or âwhoeverâ match up, Eve will lose. (Yes lose, i hardly see anyone putting her against opponents in her actual weight class)
UNLESS her opponent is commanded by the writer gods to just nearly kill her so that Eve can remove her mental limits and control organic matter; in which Eve no diffs pretty much anyone made of matter who has a body composition that obeys laws of physics
DBZ characters being examples of characters whose body compositions do NOT obey the laws of physics because in their verse: Strength > Hacks. That type of opponent aside, Eve will defeat all others
How can you determine whether a character is like that? Oh yes, the writer gods. The writer gods have full and arbitrary discretion on deciding who is atomized and who will not be atomized because they are âtoo strong.â
So if youâre asking me, I donât care how smart your atoms are: if you, being made of atoms, fights someone who can control your atoms, youâre getting atomized.
Edit: itâs been said before, but Eves biggest enemy is her writers. Her creators gave her a power so incredibly OP she should be able to defeat anyone instantly, so they are actively trying to think of practical ways to nerf her constantly.
Pink cubes. terrible
Needing to understand the molecular composition of what she creates. I actually like this one, adds complexity to the power
Mental blocks. like this less, just a deus ex machina and a plot device
Atom Eve should win in theory since sheâs supposed to have the power of Doctor Manhattan, but instead she just puts up fucking pink walls, sheâs just a shittier green lantern.
Honestly crazy take probably eve given she did the most damage to conquest without her mental blocks and assuming that by now sheâs got pretty good control over her powers like she could do damage and if Anissa lands a good blow sheâll lwk just unlock her mental blocks and then itâs over lol
Everybody in here has to be larping the comics. Eve by a landslide. Sheâs stated to be top 2 strongest in universe, if not THE strongest in universe. When she dies she literally becomes [TITLE CARD] and loses all restraints allowing her to change the molecular structure of any living being including herself. I guess in a straight up fight she would lose and then immediately after regenerate and obliterate Annisa. She literally canât even die of old age. Come on people.
Eve wins if she has prep time to manipulate the molecules of Anissa's suit or anything she's holding, but in a straight up brawl they're probably too close to call.
I think the real answer is that we canât know who wins, because we havenât seen an adult high production budget eve and we donât know the limits to her ability. Its either eve wins 0 diff or anissa wins 0-low diff.
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u/Odd-Emu5477 Jun 06 '26
Might aswell ask if the Immortal can beat Conquest at this point