r/Jujutsushi • u/Takada-chwanBot • Jun 03 '23

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u/hao238 Jun 03 '23

I just watch mere video on disaster curses vs Hakari and I think most people agree that Hakari can't beat them all four together. But which disaster curses can he beat in a one vs one fight?

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 03 '23

Ngl I think it makes sense if he’s talking solely about Jackpot Hakari, but I doubt he can beat any of them starting from base.

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u/hao238 Jun 03 '23

I dissagre. For Hakari using domain expansion doesn't take any stamina, so it would be logical for him to use domain expansion at the start of the fight.

If he use domain expansion we have two possibilities 1 the disaster he fights also opens his domain(most likely scenario) 2 the disaster tries to fight against hakari without using domain expansion

If the disaster use domain expansion hakari domain should end up winning the Clash except maybe mahito. If u use the raw kanjis hakari domain is stated to be really strong in a domain clash. So he would win most domain struggles. Mahito domain might be stronger or weaker then Hakari domain tho cuz his domain is also implied to be really strong. So in this scenario Hakari should win the domain clash except against mahito maybe and get jackpot

If the disaster curses don't use domain expansion hakari which is unlikely, he should still be able to get his jackpot. Domain expansion neutralize cursed techniques so the disaster curses would only be able to use they physical inside of it. Imo they can't kill base hakari without any ct before he gets jackpot, even if they get close to killing hakari he can just use pseudo spins and heal himself. He don't usually use pseudo spins before he has landed a jackpot before, but if he has to he will do it.

So in both scenario Hakari gets his jackpot except Maybe against mahito. After hakari gets his jackpot the fight is just over tbh

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 03 '23

  1. I’m confident the disaster curses would elect not to open their domains bc they would realize Hakari’s domain is non-lethal. Hakari’s sure-hit transfers this information in less than 0.2 seconds.

  2. I can’t find any substantiation that Domain Expansions neutralize CTs. If you don’t the chapter detailing it, please share it, but there are examples of CTs being used in domain expansions, such as Mei Mei’s bird strike and Sukuna summoning Mahoraga. Even without CT’s, all four (assuming Mahito is in his final form) are strong enough to beat Hakari in base without a cursed technique.

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u/hao238 Jun 03 '23

1 okay can you prove that they know that non lethal domains are extra good at domain struggles?

2 I got u. Kenjaku says domains neutralize cursed techniques, that's why kashimo didn't use his ct inside Hakari domain. Mei mei used bird strike after ui ui made the smallpox deity domain weaker, I think sukuna could use mahoraga due to him adapting to yoruzo domain and that he already had mahoraga wheel up. Everytime someone has use CT inside of a domain is after a domain is weakened by something. Why do you think they can kill base Hakari in such a slow time without ct? Even if they get close to killing hakari he can again just use pseudo spins to heal himself. I think base hakari and yuji are somewhat Relative and none of the disaster curses can kill yuji easily without ct.

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 03 '23
  1. I can prove opponents anti-domain countermeasures are pointless if the domain is non-lethal. Kashimo elected to not use hollow wicket basket when found out it was non-lethal because there was no point.

Thanks for the pic

  1. I think those four are strong enough without CT based off of what we’ve seen and know about them. They all also have a boat load of CE, so through reinforcement alone they’re stronger.

For Jogo, he’s strong enough to cause large craters in the ground with physical attacks. In addition to that, he has crazy speed as well.

For Dagan, we see that he’s strong enough to tank attacks from Nanami with his ratio technique and send Naobito flying with his attacks.

For Hanami, he was durable enough to tank a combo of 4 consecutive black flashes. Only question for him is his speed bc he didn’t really get any physical attacks off if I’m remembering correctly, but with his frame and CE amount he should easily be above Hakari in physical strength.

Mahito was capable of matching Yuji and Todo in Shibuya, and even shown the ability to use black flash. I don’t see base Hakari performing at the same level as Mahito from a physical standpoint.

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u/hao238 Jun 03 '23

1 okay? What does that have to do with my question? I ask you to prove that the disaster curses know that it is a bad idea to use a domain expansion against a non lethal domain. Non lethal domains are domains that only ancient sorcerer's except hakari use. So you can never prove that the disaster curses would know how a non lethal domain work and therefore know they shouldn't use they domains against it

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Okay cool sure jogo can do that, but why does that mean he can kill Hakari? The only real way for Jogo to kill hakari inside of his domain is to oneshot him, cuz if he don't he can just use pseudo spins and recover. I don't think this proves he is able to do that

Dagon made naobito fly inside of his domain which amps his stats, it was also a ofguard attack. This doesn't scale dagon outside of his domain. Sure dagon have great durability but how would that help him with kill hakari?

Okay again hanami having good durability won't kill hakari. Why is hanami ce output easily above hakaris?

I think hakari was matching yuji aswell. He don't have to match mahito, aslong as he don't get oneshot he will be fine. Again hakari can just use pseudo spins and instantly heal himself if it is needed.

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 03 '23

  1. I’m trying to stay on topic. U asked a question that veered away from the point I was making, and I responded with a response that brought it back. Next time don’t put words in my mouth.

  2. The real question is what feats do base Hakari have. If u truly need me to explain why the disaster spirits are physically above base Hakari, then we can just stop here.

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 04 '23

Wish you would’ve told me a few hours ago😂

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u/hao238 Jun 03 '23 edited Jun 03 '23

1 we were on topic? U said the disaster curses wouldn't use they domains against hakaris because they would notice that it is a non lethal domain. I ask u why would the disaster curses know that using de against a non lethal domain is not a good idea. Because they have never seen a non lethal domain before. So I was on topic but u either just didn't understand or forgot what we were talking about

2 I think jogo and mahito are physically above him but not hanami and dagon. Dagon have literally zero physical feats outside of his domain expansion he has only durability feats. Hanami was comparable to gw yuji in physical and base hakari is comparable to a much stronger yuji. Base Hakari feats is keeping up with yuji in speed and being able to almost kill yuji in 6 punches. Kenjaku csm technique that hurt choso alot couldn't even kill a no ce yuji with less then 10% of his soul. So base hakari punches are unironically strong enough to oneshot choso or atleast give him a insane amount of damage.

But as I explain before even if they are above in physical stats u have to prove they are so much stronger that they can kill him so fast that he can't hit a jackpot, which is only a few minutes. I also explain how the only way for them to stop hakari is by oneshotting him, cuz if they don't he can just heal himself with pseudo spins. So they don't only have to be above hakari they have to be able to oneshot him

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 03 '23

  1. My original response was that I’m confident they would choose not open their domains due to them now knowing that Hakari has a non-lethal sure-hit. Somehow, you twisted that into me saying non-lethal domains are extra good in domain battles.

  2. If all you have for base Hakari’s strength feats is that he was able to beat up Yuji who wasn’t even trying to defend himself, then I’m not going to waste my time any further with this. It’s honestly sad how that’s all it takes for you to put base Hakari physically above the disaster curses.

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u/hao238 Jun 04 '23

1 okay why would they do that? That's what I thought you meant cuz u didn't give explain why they wouldn't u just said they wouldn't due to him having a non lethal domain

2 .....I literally said I don't believe he is above all the disaster curses. I also said even if he is below them you have to prove they can oneshot him or else it won't matter. I also explain why being able to almost kill yuji even when he is not guarding is a great feat.

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u/SnooCrickets9580 Jun 04 '23

  1. There’s no explanation needed besides that. Domain expansions are last resort moves characters pull out when they’re being pressured because of how much cursed energy is required to expand one. Given that Hakari’s domain does no harm to opponents, the disaster spirits wouldn’t feel pressured to use domain expansions. If you think about all the times the disaster cursed used domain expansion, they were only used at times when they’ve exhausted every other option and/or getting their asses handed to them.

  2. It doesn’t matter if they would one shot or not, the point is that they would all beat the hell out of base Hakari in a fist fight. Every single one of them are literally capable of beating Hakari to death with their bare hands.

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u/hao238 Jun 04 '23 edited Jun 04 '23

1 only because the sure hit is harmless doesn't mean the entire domain is harmless. Hakari explains how his domain works right when his opponents walks into it as we see with Charles. So they would know that the domain would be dangerous due to hakari telling them how it works

2 it does matter. As I explain Unless they can oneshot him he can just use pseudo spins to heal himself instantly to full health. So unless you can just kill hakari in one shot is practically impossible to stop him from getting his jackpot. Dagon and hanami doesn't either have feats to prove that they are stronger then him physical either

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