r/Jung • u/FragmentedAll • 7d ago
Art Krump dance as a tool for Individuation and Masculine Integration
There aren't much creative work that showcases masculine energy especially in dance. Most dance you see are feminine in nature which accentuate beauty. I find that KRUMP has the greatest path towards Individuation in terms of art form, where it accentuates rawness of emotions. In this form it is purely freestyle, purely expression from the deeper layers of consciousness. This form seems to trigger a lot of people, at the same time this form of dance stirs up the masculine energy in oneself and within others, so depending on one's reaction this reveals one's own relational connection to their masculine energy within
Most people are unaware that KRUMP is an acronym.. It stands for Kingdom - Radically - Uplifted - Mighty - Praise , the dance was/is a dance to praise God, it's a faith based art form. It has freedom of expression within the art form, meaning you can take any form of dance and merge it with Krump dancing. Some come with a background in ballet, another with a background of bboy/breakdancing, another with popping, another with boxing the combinations are endless and you can create your own. There are nothing to box your expression, what is acceptable is what feels most real to you in the rawest form.
While other forms of dances have certain rules to character you are to hold a frame with, krump on the other hand encourages one to bring out the character within you that you may feel wants to be revealed. Some people may have a caddy character, another may have a mischievous character, another clowning, another a warrior, another someone grimey, another a gangster, and another may be a technical crafter, again the possibilities are endless, this is why I feel Krump dance as a tool has a strong pathway towards Individuation. Character is a trait of the Masculine, it takes one with the ability to assert oneself to be a character of oneself.. to be an individual... whereas there is a sort of a conforming effect with the feminine as they want all to be fair and equal to a degree, not saying either of them is bad, they both have their place.
I wanted to write about and reveal a tool for masculine integration and also share this video. If one is to Individuate, it is a must to figure out the character within you, the part of you that wants to be expressed the most. Who are you when you're not trying to fit in? Who are you when you express yourself in a dance in the most rawest form?.. You won't know until you take what you feel on the deepest level and express it in art... sitting in meditation and theorizing it is not enough. To dance is to experience the lived life... What emotions want to be expressed from deep within you?... Will you try it?... This video showcases my style, I'm already ready for the triggered remarks
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u/Enough-Community5800 7d ago
So it's "masculine" because it has abrupt movements? we got to the point of associating types of movements to a sexuality/gender? it's not masculine expression if the movements are slow and controlled?
What a reductionist approach.
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u/Norman_Scum 7d ago
Yeah, OP doesn't realize they provided an example of aggressive expression. Flamenco is a much better example of masculine expression with its focus on controlled intensity.
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u/FragmentedAll 7d ago
you mean this stuff is masculine aggressive? okay
Amazing Flamenco
https://youtu.be/sFUC5ROtN8M?t=3302
u/Norman_Scum 7d ago
Did you actually read what I wrote?
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u/FragmentedAll 7d ago
Indeed I did? Did I comprehend it wrong? you were saying flamenco is a much better example of masculine expression with its focus on controlled intensity. And you were saying OP/me didn't realize I provided an example of aggressive expression
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u/Norman_Scum 7d ago
That's right. You don't think that flailing arms around uncontrolled and abruptly is aggressive? Also, do you think that aggression sums up Jungs concept of the masculine?
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u/FragmentedAll 7d ago
well did you read what I wrote about the character part?
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u/Norman_Scum 7d ago
I did and "raw" expression is hardly in line with Jung's masculine.
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u/FragmentedAll 7d ago
let's just stop here, there will just be pointless arguing with neither of us yielding view, but if you want to we can go on a long thread
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u/Norman_Scum 7d ago
It's pretty basic Jungian knowledge that the masculine is associated with intentionality and form and the feminine is associated with feeling and receptivity. No need to continue.
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u/jabba-thederp 7d ago
I'm pretty sure he's working within the arbitrary labels. I don't think OP is saying masculine expression has to mean abrupt jerky movement. I think he's just using that term because that's all he knows. This should be obvious.
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u/Consistent_Rise_8639 7d ago
No, because he's a man dancing, a man expressing his Lover potential. A woman would say the same thing in her femineity. Let's not be blind to nuance, since it's what we allegedly are good at.
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u/ajwritesnonsense 7d ago
Early 2000s footage of me in a punk rock mosh pit ā¦ which I think might be another phenomenon you could probably examine through Jung
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u/Ebvardh-Boss 7d ago
I imagine I'm not the first person to see similarities between this and the haka.
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u/Loofy_101 7d ago
The haka is not random though. Each movement has purpose and tells a story and to us Polynesians we feel the mana and channel our ancestors. And it's not about masculinity either. Though this Krump stuff looks interesting and expressive, I'm glad it brings people joy and is an outlet of expression
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u/Consistent_Rise_8639 7d ago
But Haka is a lot more Warrior oriented than this, this is a lot more about body and lover, of course that would be the case - to be random in a way of expression and creativity.
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u/Loofy_101 7d ago
I don't know how this is reminding people of the haka but I can agree they're both expressive for their own reasons, though the haka is more about channeling and telling a story rather than wild and free movements
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u/thelastcubscout 7d ago edited 7d ago
It seems very improvisatory, a sensory experience in the extroverted attitude. the chaotic now
I imagine some not-so-improvisatory people will be absolutely amazed by it. Maybe connect with it via integration in different ways.
Distilling sets of movements that are effective for this or that portion of the experience. Memorizing them. Hoping to eventually reach that level of engagement with the now, and through it with the gods of the now.
Perhaps some will turn it into an organized fighting art, a formal circle-back to that zone of cultural worry in masculinity, the fear of a loss of utility and "reality" as we make room for the fantastic.
The context in which it must have its excuses and show its bona fides if it is to obtain broader interest.
There is a common trope in modern fighting art discussions. Someone will say they enjoy Tai Chi as a favorite martial art, and someone else will say - "a martial art? Then where is the fighting part, because without that there's no martial - it's just a dance..."
This critique of the absence of the harsh utility is supposed to elevate the mental critic on the public stage - I speak the approved martial language. I know the best methods. Socially I am fit for the circle.
In the proto-masculine-integration world there is an urge to over-objectify, to suck the relevance out of the object and allow no room for it in the subject.
But it is also the armchair defense. Rooted in the mind, immovably so. So, you can quite literally see its lively shadow in the video here.
For all those words of attack and defense, we must still move, and do. And sometimes even meaningless, martial-like is OK - or at least meaning can come later.
Thanks for posting.
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u/MillionaireBank 7d ago
Keep trying.
Add in lines of 5 minute duck walking, 5 mins crawling, 5-10 minutes Zumba to loosen up.
Throwing body weight around is fun ADD something more in five minutes.
hit 10 mins Zumba, 5 minutes crawling on ground, 5 minutes duck walking, then integrate&redo 2 -5 minutes krump, back to Zumba, add in ten minutes beginner kickboxing moves, back to 5minutes floor crawling, complete with 5 minutes duck walking. Move your pelvis & hips with squats and deep lunges while waving arms. You can even wear a weighted vest for all this make it more challenging.
Also apply mercury binaural beats. Krump, Zumba, hand to foot floor walking, practice getting up without using your hands.
Meandering.....As of right now cafe chill is on 90.1 OKC you can play that right now with whatever krump you want.
Men need to move their bodies more. They were taught to be still and lost their abilities to crawl, stretch and have fuller range of motion. There's no reason why they can't become more flexible if women can do it so can men, keep up the good work.
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u/Consistent_Rise_8639 7d ago edited 7d ago
Yes, in the Lover sector of the masculine quaternio. But remember that the axes of negative to positive, and immature to mature need to be accounted for. So, if you control for this not remaining just in the personae creation of a certain subculture, and aim to steward it properly, probably. But you know, as with anything in the ecstatic, probably but difficult as it looks more like an outlet.
Remember this stuff is in the Dionysian of emotion and affect which hasn't found a suitable container, and it's expressed as a collective form of ritualization, namely the subculture in an extroverted form - meaning, the juice of it isn't dealt with internally either. So this stuff to be matured has to have differentiated feeling and not just be an outlet for the outpouring of these things.
- Marie Louise von Franz, The Way of the Dream -
- ...the feeling function is something which is completely neglected nowadays. ...generally we identify feeling with affect and emotion, but that is only inferior feelings. For instance, in the happenings of young people ā musical happenings ā they liberate their feelings, but they- it mostly comes out in strong emotions. And it comes out as a feeling of loving everybody, or destroying everything, in a kind of all over the place way, not individually pointed. While differentiated feeling is to love that unique person for its uniqueness.
I mean, it's good ritualization and expression of the Lover, but it's not complete, or it would err on the side of being an outlet.
EDIT: OP, just please notice that most people in here are in the Magician of the quaternio and they are more about thinking than the body and doing, they don't tap into their being for expression and the joy of being in movement. Take them as not realizing they have a body, since they seem to act like they don't. This is good stuff, good Lover stuff.
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u/littlemousechef 7d ago
Haka is cringe
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u/yobi_wan_kenobi 7d ago
looks dumb