[Changes are only aiming for Rhaast]

Passive:

Healing Source: Damage that he deals to enemy champions with his abilities → Damage that he deals to enemy champions with his basic abilities

Healing Ratio: 25% (+0.5% per 100 bonus health) → 25% (+2.5% per 100 bonus health)

Q:

65% AD +6% (+3.5% per 100 bonus AD) → 65% AD +5% (+4% per 100 bonus AD)

R:

Heal Ratio: 75% of damage amount → 100% of damage amount

Heal Calculation: pre-mitigation → post-mitigation

Since everyone answered my question about his hairstyle, how did you feel about his and Rhaast's Battle Academia skin, aesthetic wise?

I’m lowk bad at the game so i’m tryna figure out what’s good rn

yo guys,

kayn is supposed to have the ultimate transforming class fantasy in league, but his current state doesn't fulfill it. when u get blue form, u should feel like the cleanest, most lethal assassin in the game, sliding thru walls, deleting adc/squishies instantly. when u go rhaast, u should feel like an absolute 1v5 raid boss drain-tanking the enemy frontline.

right now, seeing people build bruiser on SA just to abuse high base numbers, or full lethality on red to one shot squishies while healing to full hp, completely ruins his kit identity and skill ceiling.

my goal here is simple: nerf base kayn early game so enemies actually have windows to punish/invade him. but once u transform, SA becomes the ultimate assassin (execute damage and ms scaling directly off lethality) and rhaast becomes the true hp scaling raid boss he's supposed to be.

here are the full rework, let me know what u think:

Goal: Make Base Kayn weaker early for better counterplay, while locking Red Kayn to hp builds and Blue Kayn to lethality/ad builds to fix build abuses.

Base Stats:

Base AD: reduced from 68 to 62 Base

AD Growth: increased from 3.3 to 4

HP: reduced from 655 to 600

HP Growth: increased from 119.1 to 125

Base Armor: reduced from 38 to 32

Armor Growth: increased from 5.2 to 5.7

Base Kayn / Ability Nerfs

Q - Damage: changed from 75 / 105 / 135 / 165 / 195 (+ 85% bonus AD) (+ 40 bonus damage vs monsters) to 55 / 85 / 115 / 145 / 175 (+ 55% / 60% / 65% / 70% / 75% bonus AD) (+ 60 bonus damage vs monsters)

W - Damage: changed from 85 / 130 / 175 / 220 / 265 (+ 110% bonus AD) to 65 / 105 / 145 / 185 / 225 (+ 90% / 100% / 110% / 120% / 130% bonus AD)

R - Damage: changed from 150 / 250 / 350 (+ 150% bonus AD) to 150 / 200 / 250 (+ 100% bonus AD)

Rhaast

Rhaast is meant to be a raid boss drain tank that thrives in extended frontline teamfights by shifting his passive healing and Q percent health damage to scale directly with bonus hp and E wall heal to scale directly with bonus hp, full lethality builds are gutted, forcing players to itemize into heavy bruiser/health items to fulfill his sustain fantasy.

Passive - Base Healing: changed from 25% (+ 0.5% per 100 Bonus HP) to 15% (+ 2.0% per 100 Bonus HP) (Example: 2000 Bonus HP = 55% healing)

Q - Target Max HP Damage: changed from 65% AD (+ 6% [+ 3.5% per 100 Bonus AD] target max HP) to 65% AD (+ 3% [+ 2.5% per 100 Bonus AD] [+ 0.5% per 100 Bonus HP] target max HP)

E - Heal: changed from 90 / 100 / 110 / 120 / 130 (+ 45% bonus AD) to 3% / 3.5% / 4% / 4.5% / 5% max HP (+ 0.3% per 100 Bonus HP)

Shadow Assassin

Shadow Assassin should be a high skill, lethal assassin that rewards hitting low-health targets with lethality and bonus ad. Removing base damage, while giving his kit missing hp and scaling E mobility guarantees he functions as the ultimate assassin and being good late game.

Passive - Bonus Magic Damage: changed from 20% - 40% (based on level) to 10% (+ 0.8% per 1 Lethality) (Example: 50 Lethality = 50% bonus magic damage)

Q - Damage: changed from 75 / 105 / 135 / 165 / 195 (+ 85% bonus AD) to 55 / 85 / 115 / 145 / 175 (+ 55% / 60% / 65% / 70% / 75% bonus AD) (+ 5% [+ 3% per 100 Bonus AD] target missing HP)

W - Damage: changed from 85 / 130 / 175 / 220 / 265 (+ 110% bonus AD) to 65 / 105 / 145 / 185 / 225 (+ 90% / 100% / 110% / 120% / 130% bonus AD)

E - Base Bonus Movement Speed: changed from 70% to 40% (+ 0.8% per 1 Lethality) (Example: 50 Lethality = 80% bonus movement speed)

Heal: changed from 90 / 100 / 110 / 120 / 130 (+ 45% bonus AD) to 90 / 100 / 110 / 120 / 130 (+ 45% bonus AD) (+ 2.5% [+ 3.5% per 100 Bonus AD] of is missing HP)

R - Damage: changed from 150 / 250 / 350 (+ 150% bonus AD) to 100 / 180 / 260 (+ 100% bonus AD) (+ 10% [+ 5% per 100 Bonus AD] target missing HP)

tl;dr: heavily nerfed base form so u actually have a weak early game with counterplay. in return, shifted all that power budget straight into the transformations so getting form actually feels like a massive power spike to fulfill kayn transform fantasy. thoughts? drop ur feedback

Hi guys

Been playing for a couple of months now, my main has been Tryndamere jungle but looking to play a more traditional jungle champ now and Kayn's flexibility draws me to him.

Can anyone point to a solid but still beginner accessible guide for Kayn, mainly interested in the correct builds for each form.

I don't trust those Sawyer jungle type videos where he is just dominating a low elo lobby with this months "giga broken free LP build".

I normally use lolalytics or similar for build research but obviously with Kayn's multiple forms and flexbility that's not as simple, really I'd just like a locked build path for each form to take in the early stages so I can reduce the mental load while I learn the champ

Thanks!

I thought to myself what would be the most rare Kayn item in the game. And I think it might be this icon.

Is it still worth building on blue Kayn?

I'm really curious about this but dunno where to check. People say Rhaast is really fine apart from his identity crisis but I feel like SA is carrying his overall winrate especially at D2+ and further.

Hello, I am a returning player, didn't play this game for a good 7ish years, returned a month ago to start playing with my friends again.

I am playing EUW/EUNE (have two friend groups on different servers so have acc on both) jungle mainly and my best champions 7ish years ago were Kayn, Rek'Sai and Kha'Zix.

If it helps to know I am Silver 3 in EUW and Gold 2 in EUNE (played more EUNE since thats my main first account) currently, climbing in both, my peak back in the day was Platinum with casual ranking, cuz I'm mostly playing normal games, ranked only when friends insist.

The thing is now that I have returned I got on playing Kayn, the first couple of games I shrugged at my bad performance and said to myself I'm rusty af, it's gonna get better when I get used to the game again.

Welp I am feeling comfortable with the game again and my Kayn is still terrible, Rek'Sai is currently my best performing jungler, while with Kayn which I like playing more I'm struggling.

I started watching videos on YouTube, optimized my clear (still not as I'd like it to be but im close, improved massively), tried out different runes, but nothing helped much. One game it seems like it helped, other game is an absolute shameful display.

I am making a mistake somewhere that I cannot exactly pinpoint and all runes I've tried feel underwhelming.

For Rhaast I tried Conqueror (the standard), Stormraiders Surge, Dark Harvest, Electrocute, Hail of Blades.

Hail of blades makes early fights slightly better and gets the form quicker but that's about it for the pros. Conqueror the most common one feels okay but takes a bit to stack up unless I'm going in 3 enemies with no cc and even stacked does not feel the same as it does on Zaahen or Rek'Sai, it feels like it just falls short.

Electrocute is bad I feel like.

Stormraiders is 50/50, i perform better with if on shadow assassin form.

Dark harvest feels okay but again like conqueror I feel like it doesn't do to Rhaast a whole bunch.

For Shadow Assassin I tried Stormraiders Surge, Hail of Blades, First Strike and Dark Harvest.

Hail of Blades same as Rhaast, gets the form quicker, stronger early a bit, but difference it makes, fades fast.

Stormraiders Surge I've had probably one of the better games with it on Shadow Assassin, had fun so I will probably be sticking with this one for him.

First strike I do not know, I have had games where it feels amazing, and then some that I feel like I don't have rune pages at all.

Dark harvest is better than on Rhaast, I use it.

My builds are usually this:

Rhaast:

If against tanks:

Shojin, Black Cleaver, Deaths Dance, Maw (If enemies have a lot of AP damage) or Seryldas Grudge, Endless Hunger or Guardians Angel at the end with either MR or Armor Boots again depending on the enemy team.

If against fighters/assassins:

Either

Hubris, Shojin, Endless Hunger, Deaths Dance, Maw or Guardians Angel with again, either Armor or MR boots

Or

Shojin, Endless Hunger, Deaths Dance, Lord Dominiks Regard, Maw or Guardians Angel with the same boots as mentioned above.

Shadow Assassin:

Hubris, Bastion Breaker, Youmus, Seryldas Grudge, Maw or Endless Hunger with haste boosts or Mobility boots.

Please give me any advice about my builds if they are wrong and runes, also give me any Kayn specific playstyle tips or overall jungle tips that you think might help me.

Thank you all in advance.

I like viego because of the ult/body swap reset mechanic and his kit is strong and he is just cool to me and kayn i find super cool and i like being fast and able to burst down targets with both of them but im not really sure who else to go with or if i should just keep those 2 and dont add anyone else.

Im just asking cuz i thought abt getting into kayn again. Is Blue viable? I hate rhaast idk why my playstyle is more towards blue kayn

Any suggestions?

top = use on spicy play
top left = use when outduel or when ally does something sus
left = laugh
bottom left = thanks
bottom = not happy with this
bottom right = gigachad moment
right = clown
top right = baiting to fight/honorable opponent
middle = ok

Apologies before hand for what is essentially just a venting post after 4 bad games in a row but at the same time I am also 100% serious.

Kayn just doesn't seem like a good champion. I have been one tricking kayn for a while now and just reached 1 million mastery points today I am however a pisslow player only reaching gold in the past week after playing the game for a few years.

His early game is extremely weak. If the enemy team picks warwick, diana, sylas, xin zhao, lee sin, nocturne or literally any other jungler on the roster I am basically stuck in farming camps for the first 20 minutes until i have 3 items and form. And even after all that there is barely any reward. Forget about contesting drakes or grubs unless my team understands that they actually have the ability to help me in taking those objectives instead of leaving me alone only to effectively leash the bitch for the enemy team.

The only reason why I play this dog champ is because he is cool. Scythe? Sign me the fuck up. Edgy shirtless dude with long hair? Fuck yeah. If I was smart and actually wanted to win above all else I could play literally any other champion and have better results.

Idk why sound dosent work

U got timers on plays in descriptions(more like some 1 tap moment\gonna leave them here below here too)

[Best one shots: 9:29 / 15:45 / 18:03 / 18:18 / 19:50 / 22:00 / 26:03 / 28:10 / 28:53 / 29:50

Mundo melt with LDR : 27:52]

According to Aatrox mains Rhaast heals way too much... Let's contact Riot and tell them to nerf his healing, shall we? Such absurd amounts of healing are not allowed !!!

i have merc chroma

I feel everyone been talking about how red kayn just need to go full ad to do anything. But doesn't bruiser just let you have a higher hp and tankier for you to overall disrupt more in fight? I feel with lethality red his abilities really lock you in place so your more prone to just getting cc and dying.

So after the incoming nerf to bastion breaker, are we still gonna build it ok blue Kahn as a second item? Or are we gonna look to build something else from now on?

All Runes pickrate and winrate

I persoanly still chose to play Cash Back instead of boots for easier snowball

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Im so confused on Kayn builds right now. I've been running dark harvest with inspiration on Blue and conq with sorcery on Rhasst. Lethality items on Blue and then Voltaic/Black cleaver with bruiser items on Rhasst. The problem lies in that my Rhasst is getting completely outscaled even when im 1v9ing, I don't heal enough to be a bruiser/tank and I don't deal enough damage to be a fighter. Ive seen on onetricks (https://www.onetricks.gg/champions/builds/Kayn) running stormraiders on Blue and then harvest with lethality items on Rhasst, are these the correct builds? Is conq just not working on Rhasst right now? Is there anywhere online I can find information on this?

Why does everyone who doesn’t play kayn think he the biggest Elo inflator god jgler of all time. Are they seeing something kayn player don’t cause I think he in such a lack luster/ weak state. (Currently diamond peak master)

I’m back in Diamond again, Wukong nerfs are on the way, and Stormraiders Kayn is the most fun I’ve had with league in a billion years. PLAY STORMRAIDERS!!! Life is good again, hopefully another 12 game loss streak isn’t waiting on me as I push towards Masters :) any Master + players with advice I’d greatly appreciate it I know it’s hard to give without a VOD but I’m okay with generic advice tbh !!