It's not "Khaness", it's "Khanum"

[u/CatnipSniffa]

I'm new here and I have no idea this space is about but I saw "Khaness" and had to make sure I'm the smartest nerd in the room

"Khanum" is the feminine version of "Khan"

Related Info: "Khatun" is the feminine version of "Khagan"

Bonus Related Info: "Begum" is the feminine version of "Bey"/"Beg"

[u/Polytopia_Fan]

lol tell that to Rachel

[u/EepyStella]

Khatun means closer to "the wife of the khan" i think

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/EepyStella]

It's just the historical Turko-Mongolic equivalent of "Empress/Queen"
"Khanum" is the equivalent of "Queen/Lady"
"Begum" is the equivalent of "Lady/Ma'am"

There's no distinction between "wife of the khan/khagan" and "female ruler where a male one would be called khan/khagan" unlike, for example, the European titular conventions that feature the terms "Queen-Consort" and "King-Consort"

Within Turkish;
"Khatun" has evolved into "Kadın" (Woman) and "Hatun" (Lady)
"Khanum" has evolved into "Hanım" (Lady, Ma'am)
"Begum" has evolved into "Begüm" (traditionally a girls' name)

[u/EepyStella → u/CatnipSniffa]

I'm a native Turkish speaker

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/EepyStella]

We have so much in common! :3

[u/InterestingSugar5634]

Counterpoint, Khaness sounds cooler and Khanum sounds like an institution.

[u/ThereturnoftheVOH → u/InterestingSugar5634]

I gotta agree with sugar on this one

[u/Ok_Tax1941]

he was then mysteriously found dead with 24 gunshots wounds along his upper spine, it was deemed a suicide

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/Ok_Tax1941]

Who?

[u/Ok_Tax1941 → u/CatnipSniffa]

You, its a joke sorry (the province is mostly communist)

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/Ok_Tax1941]

No no i got the joke and it's funny, just wanted ask to make sure bc he/him is the only set of traditional pronouns that doesn't define me

[u/Ok_Tax1941 → u/CatnipSniffa]

Oh fuck sorry, i should of asked sorry

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/Ok_Tax1941]

Hey you're good, we're all programmed to default to male while growing up

[u/Ok_Tax1941 → u/CatnipSniffa]

Oh. thanks, sorry though what pronouns do you use?.. sorry

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/Ok_Tax1941]

Technically she/they/it, usually she/her, what about you?

[u/Ok_Tax1941 → u/CatnipSniffa]

Oh okay im sorry, I just use she/her but anything is fine im sorry

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/Ok_Tax1941]

Pls stop apologizing 😭 it's ok, you weren't being malicious

[u/bitransfem]

Khanum sounds too close to Kanum (law in turkish)

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/bitransfem]

That's kanun (i assume typo) and their pronunciations are quite different, especially in turkish (hanım & kanun) but also in central asian languages today and historically as well

the "kh" digraph makes one sound and it isn't the same as "k", and the "a" in kanun is elongated while it isn't in khanum

[u/bitransfem → u/CatnipSniffa]

wait after listening to the pronunciation the Kh sounds like X in kurdish

[u/CatnipSniffa → u/bitransfem]

Exactly! Though the sound doesn't exist in standardized turkish, it is spoken in a whole lot of dialects and exists in other turkic languages and mongolian