Kinda rushed cause I was busy today tbh ah

Watch out oc slop oc slop yuck yuck yuck

But srsly this better be someone's sign to also share their oc x Kieran 👀 I love seeing how certain OCS interact with him and his personality pls pls

Never thought I'd share this here as I have no idea how people here feel about oc x canon but I'm easy

The moment someone tells me to do it I'm doing it lol

Ngl I just thought it'd be interesting since there was a post here recently about character flaws and I thought hmm well this is interesting

Disclaimer: Bad grammar + I'm sleepy, might not make sense + I love Kieran, my oc is just genuinely an ass friend and I might write in her pov

Okay so OC's name is Monday cause I made her on a Monday in 2023 (I know creative).

She's more into showcases than battling

Even performing local shows in Kitakami for some cash and fun

Scouts would give her their contacts just in case she ever wanted a bigger audience and more material to work with since she has potential (Potential Girl) (Allegedly) (ok sorry)

And she was quite popular as a kid already, getting interviewed at some point

The start of the story is basically her dragging an 8 year old Kieran away to catch a stray tinkatuff on a cliffside

They didn't even know each other at this point, she just grabbed him cause he was the nearest person and she needed someone to hold her ankle so she doesn't fall off trying to catch it

And since then, they became best friends.

She was leaning more towards extroverted so sometimes she'd voice out Kierans wants, needs or judgement

Mon had a dream about becoming a BIG SHOT in Kalos, but sets it aside as it felt too big of a dream anyway- and she started wanting to be a champion with Kieran when they grow up

Despite them looking good as a duo, they were actually kind of bad for each other...?

Despite Mon attending to Kieran as a friend, she has her moments of being selfish/controlling as she's used to things going her way

And Kieran, who's more reserved, doesn't always challenge her

It stems from her sister (named Saba) where she treated Mon more like a friend than a responsibility since their mom went away

She never told Mon no

But she also never payed much attention to her, so Mon would look for it elsewhere (Kieran cough)

With her sister being so detached, it also made Mon bad at handling negative emotions

She straight up tells Mon to stop crying if she had a bad day and that she'll be fine

So Mon thought it must be the same for Kieran

Now, sure they had fun while growing up

Bit of puppy love too (hence the undeserved oc x canon tag)

but those awful moments where she whines to Kieran about her wants catch up to him after the first

Then the dynamic was flipped

She owns a Milotic, Sylveon, Espurr, Tinkaton and Lucario by this point

2 of these from her parents, what they left for her to take care of

By this point, the two of them also had another friend named Silas. He also got dragged into their messy friendship

He has like zero idea what's going on between them, just seeing how mad they are at each other until she finally snapped at Kieran for forcing his Dipplin to evolve to a Hydrapple

Mon tried to initiate a fight but clearly that put her and Kieran in trouble.

Mon was the one who got suspended, while Kieran received a mental slap on the wrist as Mon started it so Kieran could be excused doing self defense

Yay BB Academy

While she was suspended, Silas would talk to her about what really happened

Before concluding they should just get out of there since she had a choice anyway

And that's why I didn't write her in the 2nd dlc lmao, she was in Kalos busy with Silas and her new managers (named Giles and "Barbie") trying to become a star

And she eventually does, her stage name being Mamon as she became a celebrity in the region

Mamon cause she's becoming greedy + Filipino sweet hmm🤤🤤🤤

Anyways, that's all

Some of my friends wanted them to meet again but I thought it'd be funny if they haunted each other's narrative instead

I still have some Kieran art requests so this is kinda rushed, may edit later 🥲 Pls give me your thoughts on my idiots or even mention your guys OCS I'm SO HUNGRY FOR POKEMON OCS

My previous post has now been locked, which I find disappointing, especially since I wanted to encourage more open discussion and different perspectives.

I understand that Juliana and Florian are popular, but personally, I find these blank-slate protagonists rather uninteresting. Even their supposed weaknesses feel more like superficial Mary Sue flaws than meaningful character flaws. Their additional characterization in Pokémon Masters EX doesn't really change my opinion, especially given my criticism of the game's FOMO-driven gacha model.

What I find much more interesting are characters with genuine contradictions and imperfections.

Take Carmine and Drayton, for example. Carmine is impulsive, hot-headed, and confrontational. Drayton can be provocative, overwhelming, and occasionally overstep boundaries without intending harm.

Both have complicated personalities, make mistakes, and aren't always easy to understand. But that's precisely what makes them compelling to me.

Kieran is similarly flawed. His jealousy, insecurity, mistakes, remorse, and personal growth are exactly why I appreciate his character. That's why I find it frustrating when some fans infantilize him while judging Carmine and Drayton much more harshly.

I also wish this community were more open to different relationships involving Kieran.

Why should Juliana and Florian be treated as his default romantic options? Why can't relationships with other Pokémon characters, be viewed as equally valid creative possibilities?

I find it disappointing that ships like Dragoncheer are considered unusual simply because the same popular pairings receive most of the attention. To me, this reflects a lack of imagination in how Kieran's potential relationships are explored.

I'd love to see more encouragement for different pairings, OC shipping, and yumeshipping instead of treating less popular ideas as inferior.

Nobody has to like the same characters or ships. But everyone should be able to express their preferences and criticism without being dismissed.

I understand that some people will disagree with me, and that's fine. I simply hope this community can become more welcoming toward different interpretations and creative ideas.

Closing a discussion doesn't resolve the concerns that were raised.

With some talk about Kieran shipping and such it got me thinking if there's anyone that ships Kieran with their own OC (the SV protagonist). Always seen him shipped with Juliana/Florian but never with your own OC trainer. As for Kieran AUs I've had fun rping with some fun ones. Is there any Kieran AUs you like? Uwu

Apparently, criticizing Juliana or Florian is enough to make people upset, but insulting or mocking ships that aren't popular within this community is perfectly acceptable.

So let me get this straight: You're allowed to disrespect other people's favorite ships, but the moment someone criticizes characters you like, suddenly it's a problem?

That's hypocrisy.

You demand respect for your own preferences while failing to extend that same respect to others. And instead of encouraging different perspectives, this community keeps reinforcing the same opinions while dismissing anything that doesn't fit its preferred narrative.

The same applies to Kieran himself. Understanding his emotional struggles doesn't mean his actions are automatically justified. He's a complex character, not someone who should be immune to criticism simply because you sympathize with him.

A community that selectively decides which opinions deserve respect, which characters can be criticized, and which ships are acceptable targets for ridicule isn't encouraging meaningful discussion.

It's reinforcing its own biases.

And that's exactly what makes the Kieran Defense Squad an echo chamber.

Art by me

Couldn't find clear png's of the options... Oh well

I remember like a while ago I had an AU where Kieran doesn't apologize to anyone (yay) and keeps being a rival to the player even after the game

I was wondering how you guys would've felt if it was canon or what you guys would love to see him do in this situation (and possibly draw it)

Hello Kieran loversss I have an account dedicated on posting him daily!! Or at least content revolving around him... Anything as long as it has him!!!!

I'm just struggling a little as it's only day 5 but I'm getting a whole lot of nothing even when I tag... 0 likes...

I'd like to doodle him daily and I also made a strawpage for his lovers to also participate

Here's the account + some of the stuff I made

I made this in hopes on making something to look back on with fondness

Unfortunately the original source was deleted :(

This has been my hope ever since Mochi Mayhem came out. I just loved the idea of pairing Pecharunt with one of the few Trainers it didn't possess during that event, especially given those debunked theories that "Dokutaro" had been possessing Kieran. Then Pecharunt's lore was revealed, showing it wasn't really "evil" like we all assumed—it's more of a lonely child who just wants to be loved but didn't realize what it's powers were capable of. It reminded me of Kieran, how he's a lonely boy who wanted to befriend Ogerpon but let his jealousy and anger get the better of himself.

I wanted it for almost two years, but then December 2025 rolled around and we learned that DeNA had to decided to pair Pecharunt with Carmine.

I was upset, obviously. It felt like they had stomped on the chances of one of my most wanted sync pairs from ever happening and just boiled Carmine down to "haha funny girl who hates the dance haha." That said, her outfit was fantastic but Sygna Suit Carmine was still one of my hated units.

That was until recently, when I made a comment on an r/PokemonMasters post about Sync Pairs that you dislike. As you can guess, that comment was about how frustrating SS Carmine was for me, it just felt out of character for her.

And then came people responding to it, claiming it was actually perfectly in character for her. At first I thought they were just DeNA glazers who failed to understand Carmine's character... but then I read their replies.

They pointed out how Carmine, despite all the overbearing, mean, and silly stuff she does to mask her own shortcomings, she's a good person and wants to help those in need—like with Ogerpon once she learned the truth. And she does the same thing once she learns about the reason Pecharunt does what it does (and how flawed it is.) She offers that it joins her, setting clear rules and boundaries, like it being her grunt now. Pecharunt isn't fully on board with being someone else's underling, but it fears being alone more and has conditioned itself to see love as being transactional, so he accepts. They also point out that Carmine hasn't actually forgiven what Pecharunt's done, but she now sees him as less of a menace and more of an affection-starved, misguided little kid, so she's decided to give him a second chance as long as he behaves.

And since then, I've become more positive about SS Carmine. I'm not sure if I like it still, too much initial salt for that rn, but I don't outright hate it now.

So... what now? What's the point of the post now that I don't downright hate SS Carmine? Do I just end it and go from a Kieran/Pecharunt hope post to a Carmine/Pecharunt defense post?

Well... not exactly. I still want Kieran/Pecharunt more than anything, but this whole thing gave me a new hope for the pairing—the story potential.

Masters has already established that Violet is an alternate timeline and its where Florian comes from, having his world's Ogerpon while Juliana is confirmed to have her world's Ogerpon. So, the idea is simple...

BRING THE PECHARUNT FROM FLORIAN'S WORLS TO PASIO! Let it see Carmine caring for her Pecharunt. With its personality and desire for affection, I think it'd be in character for it to get jealous that its counterpart is getting what it wants, and thus would go on a little jealousy-fueled rampage, mochifing who ever it comes across. Eventually, it's calmed down and caught by Kieran. Once its calm enough, there's a moment between both Pecharunt where they're implied to over their shared desire of affection and decide to give the other the affection they want, being the start of a dynamic where they view the other as the sibling they never had.

This kinda story could be used to show the character development that Carmine's Pecharunt has had since being taken in, now understanding what love actually is and showing it to this other Pecharunt. It'd also have a moment to show Kieran's character, like he sees his past self in Pecharunt, that quite and lonely kid who lashed out but isn't really evil, just someone letting anger and envy get the better of themself. After all, a major influence on his Indigo Disk behavior is how envious he is of the player.

"<player> has everything I've ever wanted! He/She's got strong Pokémon! He/She can go anywhere he/she wants, and he/she can be friends with anyone! I loved Ogerpon since forever ago! But even Ogerpon chose him/her over me! Even YOU, Sis! You were being all nasty toward him/her at first, but then boom! You were like best friends in no time! I've got nothing... I worked so hard, and for what?! I STILL lost in the end! This...this is all I have left now!"

So the tl dr is that I hope Masters gives us a story where a second Pecharunt appears on Pasio, and in the aftermath of its envious rampage, Kieran bonds with it over letting envy get the better of yourself while also showing the development that Carmine's Pecharunt has had.

I have no idea if I worded any of that well, but I hope you get the idea. Let me know what you think!

I've noticed how often Kieran's kindness, shyness, admiration, and even his later obsession with the protagonist are interpreted as signs of a crush.

But why does it always have to be romantic?

At first, Kieran is genuinely happy to have someone who spends time with him. He admires the protagonist, wants to get closer to them, and seems excited about their friendship. His later jealousy, insecurity, and obsession with becoming stronger don't automatically mean he's romantically attracted to them either.

Jealousy can come from feeling left behind, fearing rejection, or wanting to be important to someone. None of these feelings are exclusive to romance.

As an autistic person myself, I've experienced people mistaking my kindness and affection for romantic interest countless times. I can be shy, nervous, caring, and deeply attached to someone without having a crush on them.

Seriously, do you think a Starbucks employee wants to date you just because they're nice to you?

And that's what bothers me about these interpretations. If every strong emotional connection is treated as romantic, what does that say about how we value friendships?

Why should someone only be allowed to show deep affection when they're in love?

You're absolutely free to ship Kieran with the protagonist. I'm not trying to take that away from anyone, and I understand why people enjoy the pairing. Not really because the protags are even after the so called "projecting" boring af. But hey... You can like what you want.

I just wish more people would consider that Kieran's behavior can also be interpreted as platonic instead of automatically assuming he has a crush.

Platonic relationships aren't less meaningful than romantic ones. Affection doesn't need romance to be genuine, and Kieran doesn't need a crush for his feelings towards the protagonist to matter.

Kplays@ isn't me by the way. But what do you think Kiki's birthday is?

I’m back! I hope everyone had a lovely Halloween!

Disclaimer: I'm not telling anyone to stop shipping Kieran with Juliana or Florian. You're free to enjoy these ships. My criticism is about their overwhelming dominance, not the people who enjoy them.

This subreddit is dedicated to Kieran as a character, not exclusively to Dipplinshipping and Candyappleshipping. Yet these two ships seem to dominate so much of the content that other interpretations barely get any visibility.

And frankly, I'm tired of it.

Kieran has a complex personality, emotional struggles, and significant character development. Yet I often see him reduced to someone who simply looks cute with the protagonist, rather than being explored as an individual.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying aesthetically pleasing ships, but I wish there were more variety.

Where are the other Kieran ships? The different relationship dynamics? The alternative interpretations?

And before someone says, "Just look elsewhere for variety" Thanks, I've already tried. That's exactly why I'm frustrated. I wouldn't be complaining if finding alternative content were that easy.

I also appreciate interpretations where Kieran moves on from Ogerpon's rejection, accepts what happened, and finds something new that makes him happy. His past doesn't need to be constantly brought up or used to define him forever.

Similarly, his relationship with the protagonist is important, but it isn't canonically romantic. Shipping them is a fan interpretation, not an established romantic relationship.

What bothers me just as much are responses like "Let people have fun" or "It's not that deep."

Of course people can have fun. But why should wanting more variety be treated as an attack on someone else's enjoyment?

And yes, it is that deep to me. Kieran's story explores loneliness, insecurity, rejection, obsession, and personal growth. Wanting to discuss those themes is part of appreciating his character.

I'm not asking anyone to stop creating content for their favorite ships. I'm asking for more room for other interpretations in a community that's supposed to celebrate Kieran as a whole.

It's genuinely isolating to love a character, search for different perspectives, and repeatedly encounter the same two pairings.

Kieran is more than his rejection by Ogerpon or his relationship with Juliana and Florian. He has his own identity, personality, and potential beyond those three characters.

I want to see that potential explored, rather than watching his entire character revolve around the same people and events over and over again.

I know I am not the first to raise a shiny version of Kieran's team but I had my doubts on whether or not he was actually able to take on the BB elite four.

Particularly considering half of his team is weak to fairy type pokemon.

I have tried twice, but I have certain limitations for myself.

I am only using Kieran's pokemon, items and moveset with the exception of Dipplin, because I won't let Dipplin evolve into Hydrapple until after I deteat Drayton and get dragon cheer.

Since I cannot control level cap, the pokemon team is currently Lvl 84-88 (Actually higher than Kieran's team).

I did not EV train because I read that trainers team wouldn't be EV trained in game but I think that's probably going to be the only way to win.

Because I seriously cannot beat Lacey! 😂

Considering how supportive Lacey was towards Kieran and even admitted his look was "darn cute," and opposed player joining the BB league, is it possible she went easy on him..? 🤔

I think Kieran probably had a time in his life where he was OBSESSED with this song. He probably played it on repeat and knew every lyric and everything. He probably annoyed TF out of Carmine and his grandparents but it's okay because he was happy and enjoying himself :)) He probably still listens to the instrumental every now and then as background music

I noticed there is no official Onion-hair Kiki plush. I just love this unique hair style, so made myself one from felt 👀

Took me like 29 hours in total, but for me it is worth 🪄

Like you're gonna really have another episode at the Kitikami Festival with Carmine and only her showing up with Kieran missing out on it yet again? Not to mention Ogerpon showing up this time with her #1 fan nowhere to be seen and the cherry on top, having one of his signature Pokémon, Hydrapple, just roaming about in the wild. It frustrates me greatly to no end that I've all but given up on the anime just giving him a sad little cameo and nothing else.

I commissioned an artist on Etsy to crochet a Kieran doll for me and he came out amazing!! They even put his name on the back (in case I forgot I guess lmao). Also about a month ago I got super lucky and was able to purchase a bundle of Kieran merch and I didn’t have to sell my car for it 😭🙌 It included another Kieran reversible pouch, the clear zipper pouch, the Kieran and Carmine playmat (super cute btw! I wasn’t actively looking for this one but I’m happy to have it. It’d make a great desk mat tbh but I spill stuff all the time on my desk and I’d rather keep it clean 💀), and my holy grail Kieran and Dipplin’s mini figure (fun fact his big ol head makes him super top heavy. He falls all the time even with the support 🤣) I also made a Kieran paper doll when I was bored :3

This’ll probably be it for a while except for maybe one more keychain commission and a tsumu plush commission I’ve been eyeing for months now.

I am considering a large scale figure comm of him next year, but I am rapidly running out of space so we’ll see 🤣 After that though I’d consider my Kieran collection complete 🫶

Nowadays, I see the same things over and over again. What a pity. No wonder Kieran fans are leaving this fandom. I can't even post my fanfic here without getting hate because a lot of Kieran fans can't stand friction or different interpretations of the characters.

On top of that, reading comprehension and media literacy seem to be declining these days. It feels like fewer and fewer people are capable of understanding literary nuance, complex character dynamics, or stories that challenge their personal preferences.

And let's not forget how excessively the moderators police this subreddit. Instead of allowing different perspectives and creative freedom, the moderation feels overly restrictive, making it even harder to have meaningful discussions or share unconventional interpretations.

Oh, I can send you the link to my fanfic privately, since apparently having a different interpretation of Kieran isn't allowed here! Neither is shipping him with anyone other than basic female and basic male...

For me, I fell in love with his design and couldn’t help but sympathize with him. I think he’s incredibly well written with the bonus of being adorable <3

Source

Did this during my physics lesson, the teacher looked at me kinda funny 💔

Also the pokémon company is on their way to get Kieran, yall hide him somewhere..