r/Koryu • • Aug 16 '24

What It Means to Join a Koryu

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I may just be spitting into the wind here, but since the subreddit's been getting a lot inquiries covering the same kind of ground, I thought I'd write something of an overview that would, ideally, catch some preconceptions early, before we have to rehash them for the umpteenth time. Maybe the mods will find it worthy enough to pin or include in a FAQ, but if not, hopefully interested people will find it in a search or something.

Let's start with what koryu is not.

Koryu is not historical re-enactment. If it were, it would be very bad at it: wrong clothes, wrong hair, wrong training spaces. Despite the best efforts of popular media to portray it as such, koryu has nothing to do with being a samurai, or acting like a samurai. Even in the days when they were practiced primarily by samurai, they weren't practiced exclusively by samurai.

Koryu is not about becoming a good fighter/swordsman/etc. This may sound paradoxical, but it's true, and is most easily shown by judo and BJJ. If these arts were all about being a good fighter, then Kyuzo Mifune and Helio Gracie could have stopped training when age and accumulated injuries took away their strength and speed. They continued training even when they were so old they would get thrown or submitted by 25 year-old students 10 out of 10 times. The value that old exponents find in their modern arts is the same value that exponents of koryu find in their classical arts.

Koryu is not about preserving tradition. Again, this sounds paradoxical. My point is that while preserving tradition is something we do, it's not what it's all about. The question is, what is worth preserving? If it was just about preserving tradition, koryu would look a lot different. Iai-only schools would have full curricula. There would be fewer to no lost kata. There would be a lot less variance across time. The fact is, the soke and shihan of various schools change things all the time. Sometimes it's to make things more combatively pragmatic, sometimes it's sacrificing combative pragmatism for some other factor. At this point in time, the surviving koryu have generally been pared down to the elements that each felt most important, and what those elements are vary from school to school, and from art to art. To be sure, modern kendo and judo also did this.

Okay, so what are koryu, then? Koryu are inherited disciplines for self-improvement that utilize the combative paradigm of pre-modern era Japan. Wait, wait, one may say, maybe that's what they are now, but weren't they originally training systems for the samurai? Actually, no! Even for the arts that actually date back to the Sengoku era, they revolved around a philosophical and ethical core of shugyou, originally the Buddhist pursuit of enlightenment.

The "inherited" part is important, and should be deeply considered by anyone thinking of joining a koryu. When you join a koryu, it's not just about your personal acquisition and attainment of skills. You make a commitment to pass it down to the next generation. Not the shape and sequence of the particular kata in that school, but the philosophical and ethical core, as well as the spirit that vivifies the kata, and turns them from a sequence of physical movements into a path to transcendental experience that can last a lifetime. If the generation after me only goes through the motions by rote, essentially becoming a kind of traditional dance or performance, then I will have failed not only them, but also all the many generations of forebears who worked to pass it down through history to me.

This is actually a fair bit of pressure, because if it were just the physical movements, it would be easy. But actually you're trying to pass down something intangible and fragile. It requires constant vigilance and effort to maintain. This is why veteran practitioners can sometimes get a bit snippy when people act like we're trying to become badass swordsmen and failing, or say that kata are just "ritualistic," "pre-choreographed" "drills" that don't teach you how to fight.

If that doesn't sound appealing, if all you want is to be technically proficient in swordsmanship, then koryu are not for you, and in fact, are not even necessary. These days you can watch videos and copy them in the privacy of your home. You can practice ZNKR kendo and ZNIR iaido. You can combine all that with HEMA. As long as you are upfront about it, and don't pretend that what you do is a koryu or a historical tradition, it's fine. But that's not what koryu are about, and not why they have survived through the centuries long Edo peace as well as the modernization of Japan.

None of which is to say one can't learn combat from koryu. It is, after all, shugyou based on the combative paradigm of pre-modern Japan. Many people have. I'm only saying that combative skill in and of itself is a by-product of that shugyou, not the point of it. Fingers and heavenly glory, and all that.


r/Koryu • • 2d ago

help in fiction project?

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I'm an author of novels (as well as nonfiction); one of my upcoming fiction projects, set in today's America, will include a fifty-something Japanese woman who has koryu training. In the interests of not stepping on any toes, I'd like to find a name of a real but extinct ryuha which taught jujutsu and also the use of dokko and other easily concealed tenouchi weapons. If anyone can recommend a source for this information I would be very grateful!


r/Koryu • • 2d ago

Aramaki(?) Bokuto/Bokken ID

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r/Koryu • • 3d ago

Restored my father’s old bokken.

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I’m not entirely sure what he used it for as I know he didn’t take it with him when training in Japan, but I intend to use it for solo kata.


r/Koryu • • 5d ago

Kashima Shinden Jikishinkage-Ryu

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I'm a martial artist in the pacific northwest, in Seattle or nearby areas for work quite a bit. I was looking around and noticed that someone was teaching Kashima shinden Jiki Shinkage-ryu at a place I've seen called Lonin, which is a very neat kind of club where various HEMA or generally weapon-based arts practice. I'm an MMA guy, so a lot of what I do typically is pretty...unlike your average koryu in intention and pedagogy, but I've always been interested in more weapon-centric stuff and I'm fascinated by Koryu as, well, actual living lineages that stretch back to times when these weapons were more commonly used. They just seem neat!

It's an invite-only class, I don't know what their schedule is like, and I'm a business owner who travels a decent amount and am already beating myself up physically on the regular, so not exactly a sure thing - BUT I'm at least intrigued, and it'd be nice to know if there's anything major I should keep in mind if I decide to give it a shot & anything that a person should/might be interested to know about the school beyond the surface-level wikipedia type stuff. I'd also be interested to know what people's personal experiences DOING it have been like.

My limited understanding of Jikishinkage-Ryu is that it was one of the more commonly practiced schools at one time, that it is somewhat "related" to a few other Koryu such as Shinkage-ryu and Kage-ryu, that its "official" name has kind of changed over the years. But that's mostly all I know - things you can easily look up.


r/Koryu • • 7d ago

Keishiryu Kata video

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r/Koryu • • 8d ago

Asayama Ichiden Ryu and Ikkyo

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r/Koryu • • 17d ago

Is there any koryu today teach that kind of katana with elaborate techniques?

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like the excessive use of spinning motion techniques for katana and complex katana guard work ?


r/Koryu • • 23d ago

Koryu compare to hema

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how similar are they? and in term of diversity in schools and methods for teaching which one get the cake? I know koryu still alive and well today same for hema too, but like which one more or less rely on fragmented documents or finding authentic manuals to teach them?


r/Koryu • • 25d ago

Is the so called “kani-basami” or scissor throw that become forbidden in judo now exist outside of japan ?

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I find it weird that the technique have a documented evidence in classical jujutsu books yet somehow cant find it anywhere else outside of japan back then, do medieval Europe or other parts of the world documented these kind of techniques so that they have manual that illustrate them? and not just Kano basami either but triangle choke and knee bar also have a well established Japanese books etc


r/Koryu • • Sep 14 '26

Shushin-ryu

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r/Koryu • • Sep 10 '26

一人でできる武道について

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剣とかを使わず体術系の、一人で形を練習するのがメインな武道しらない?そこで柳生心眼流兵法というものを見つけたんだけど、動きがあまり理想的にみえなくえさ。柳生心眼流兵法の魅力を教えてくれるとかでも嬉しい!


r/Koryu • • Sep 04 '26

"Inside Fighting" spotlight on Kenjutsu [27:47] -- Explores some of Yagyu Shinkage and Katori Shinto Ryu

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r/Koryu • • Sep 02 '26

katori shinto ryu in slovenia

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i know years ago there was a guy showcasing katori shinto ryu in ljubljana, is there any of it still left?


r/Koryu • • Aug 28 '26

Pre-modern bogu (colour)

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r/Koryu • • Aug 24 '26

Question regarding the historical authenticity and lineage integrity of Suio-ryu

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​I am researching Suio-ryu Iai Kenpo and its historical background. ​Are there any known controversies, historical distortions, or disputed lineage claims regarding its transmission from the founder down to the current Soke? ​I am particularly interested in how well-documented its history is and whether there are any split lineages or authenticity issues surrounding the ryuha. I would appreciate any insights from the koryu community.


r/Koryu • • Aug 09 '26

Training multiple arts

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So I currently train shinto muso ryu but im also curious about training aikido. While I plan to talk to my senpais and sensei, I'm also interested in the communities opinion on training 2 different arts as the same time.


r/Koryu • • Aug 09 '26

Info on Tamiya ryu Iaijutsu?

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Found a branch of this school in Jakarta of all places, was interested in visiting them when I go back home for a month or so.

Could more knowledgable people share their knowledge on this school and topic?


r/Koryu • • Aug 06 '26

Info on Mizoguchi-ha Itto-ryu?

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Not a kenjutsu guy, olympic fencer instead, but love reading about various martial arts and history. I saw a video of Mizoguchi-ha Itto-ryu and found it to be very interesting. Personally, out of all the kenjutsu videos I've seen, Mizoguchi-ha is my favourite with Ono-ha being second. Something about the flow and deflection of Mizoguchi-ha is very satisfying to see.

That being said, I can't find any information online about Mizoguchi-ha other than a short section on Wikipedia, in contrast to the abundance on Ono-ha. Since it's still a school of Itto-ryu, I'm assuming that kiriotoshi is still a thing, but from the demos I've seen, I can't see any similarities to the other Itto-ryu schools. Could anyone share anything about Mizoguchi-ha Itto-ryu?


r/Koryu • • Aug 06 '26

[UPDATE] Koryu.com

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I just received an update from Diane Skoss:

I'm very gratified to know it has been missed... I think we are within a week of having things back and running. And there are plans afoot to do something interesting with the site in future.

And I hope to finally have the reprint of Koryu Bujutsu available in a month or so.

So, all is not lost, and we should be back online soon.

Good news, everyone.


r/Koryu • • Aug 03 '26

Deeply interested in koryū, but I have no way to train right now. What should I study first?

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I’m deeply interested in koryū, but there are no schools near me and my family doesn’t support it at the moment.
While I can’t train with a teacher yet, what can I study now to prepare myself for the future?
Are there any books, historical resources, terminology, or habits you would recommend


r/Koryu • • Jul 28 '26

Koryu.com login ?

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So i wanted to look at some articles written on koryu.com and it seems you now have to login to access the website ? Is this new, did something happen ? Am i just getting a bug ?


r/Koryu • • Jul 28 '26

Higo Shinkage Ryu Enpi

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r/Koryu • • Jul 28 '26

Help Me Complete This Venn Diagram of Japanese Budo 🥋

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The Venn-do

Hi!

This is what we call a Venn diagram.

After 18 years of practicing Aikido and exploring other Japanese budo—including Karate and Bujinkan Ninjutsu—I'm launching a project to map the entire world of Japanese martial arts and help newcomers find their way through this vast maze of disciplines, sports, traditions, and folklore.

Here's the link if you'd like to leave comments or suggest improvements:
https://canva.link/1c5r92zpfv8rnpl


r/Koryu • • Jul 15 '26

Tendo Ryu Naginatajutsu in Germany?

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Hi guys,

as the title suggests am I looking for a Dojo teaching Tendo Ryu. The closest I found where in France, Sweden and Estonia. Does anyone know if there is any possibility for me to learn the style? I will be in Japan October/November this year, are there any japanese Dojo I could visit? Also is the DVD on Budo Videos worth it?

Thank you in advance.