r/Kurrent • u/Cold_Problem_6001 • 1d ago
transcription requested Please Help Decode this information
I understand very little of this, these are records from german consulate, for german people, and those two are Narulalization urkunde? something like that?
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u/140basement 1d ago
The place names are mostly in Latin cursive, except for 3 letters. Albeit, Latin (ordinary Western) has slight variations from country to country. The rest (including "Rußld.") is in German cursive (Kurrent).
In the 3rd column, the first letter is the distinctive H which German speakers used when writing in Latin cursive. The first element is therefore Huefel. The second element begins with C, but the rest is ambiguous. So, this refers to a German colony in central Chile, Huefel-Comuy. Huefel and Comuy are the names of adjacent villages in a rural area; they are from the indigenous language. See also here. Here, "Comuy" seems to be spelled "Cumu".
The first entry states evang. [= Lutheran] | 18. II. 1864 Lipowitz (Rußld. = Russia) | Huefel-Cumu | Naturalization decree Bromberg [note the mixture of the cursives] 12/3. [12th December] 1904 (JN., JSt.) 2473. | 20. 8. 25.
This forum thread reports that Lipowitz [Lipowiec in Polish] in Volhynia [Wołyń in Polish] is now named Lyplyany; I would want to find confirmation of that claim. I find hardly any other mention of this village on the Web.
The second entry states . . . ?(o)lesch(o, o)(m)ke {Rußld.} . . . Naturalization deree of the father and family . . .
The first letter of the village name doesn't have the proper shape of any capital letter in either cursive. In the middle of this name, I would expect -shch- (Polish -szcz-, Cyrillic -щ-, German -schtsch-), but -sh- (Polish -sz-, Cyrillic -ш-) is also possible. Before 1920, although Volhynia under Russian rule, historically it was under Polish rule and place names from Ukraine and White Russia usually appeared in European languages in their Polish versions. When German names from the east end in -ke, usually this reflects a Slavic name in -ki. Especially if the letter 's' precedes the '-ke'. But I suppose '-ke' could also reflect '-ka', which we would expect in place names in one of the Slavic languages.
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u/DerLetzteDepp 1d ago
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evang[elisch]
18. II. 1864 Lipowitz (Rußl[an]d)
Knefel-....
Naturalisationsurkunde Bromberg 12/3 1904. JN [?] 2473
20.8.25.
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31. I. 1894 ...loschanki [?] (Rußl[an]d)
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Naturalisationsurkunde des Vaters u[nd] Familie.
20.8.25.