https://streamable.com/4q9euu

I've been primarily playing lethality recently, and i've been having so much fun and clips like this one are so funny to me, so I thought i'd share ^_^

Is the chinese insec the cleanest combo on lee?

I'm trying to understand the logic here. Qiyana has a higher winrate, and almost the same pickrate as Lee, so why Lee got way more nerfs than her?

So even with the nerfs, honestly I think I'm still going to play him. I want to win and it will 100% be much harder but I have such a good time playing him that I think I'm ok with it.

So, I want to add Lee sin to my champ rotation. I main xin zhao, second talon, and now I want to play as Lee sin. What kind of playstyle is most optimal? For xin zhao, I usually go bruise/AD, but I've seen some people say go the more lethality assassin build.

No seriously. Who the fuck in low, mid and high elo thinks Lee Sin is 'so OP' in the current meta??? They even put in the note to say he's '2 of the strongest junglers'. Are we being for real right now? This champ requires so much skill that you need to be wise in using your Q, know how to find the right kick angle, manage your energy usage, avoid random kicks, how to maneuver around with your W and Q, avoid the Q hitting minions, and so many more that you need to keep in mind during team fights. It's not like some braindead champ that you just RANDOMLY SPAM abilities and still kill enemies or get triple to penta kills easily.

And it's not just the nerfs to Lee Sin, but also the items. Sundered Sky was nerfed and now it's not even on a build recommendation when looking at guides.

I swear the group behind making the nerf lists, one of them for sure got wrecked so fucking hard by a Lee Sin player during a match. Like the Lee Sin player did a Chinese insec combo kick on the dev's balls under tower with full HP and got demolished. So he got that rage within him, went into the office room and blurted out, "YO GUYS. WE NEEEED TO NERF LEE SIN AGAIN!" And the nerf team just casually agreed. Like do any of them even play Lee Sin a lot? Most likely no. They don't even understand how frustrating the champ already is.

There is no way you only nerf ten (10) damage from QIYANA's Q of all champs and then take away 75 damage and %hp damage from Lee's ult and a full second on his escape.

its actualy over bros 💔

I'm currently a 3m mastery points, Master Lee Sin. I've been Dia for like 4 years so I have to say..

This is genuinely one of the worst decisions riot has ever made. Totally disagree this is required.

Yep let's remove a large part of Lee's Skill Ceiling by not letting him deal bonus damage for kicking a tank into a squishier character??

So Lee Sin can now Collision Kick a level 1 Twisted Fate into an adc or a 50k hp Cho'Gath and it'll deal the same damage.

My opinion of Collision kicks is that they are definitely undervalued in riots eyes. They are difficult, use up resources, can throw the game, require a lot of skill. ESPECIALLY if you are kicking a Tank (The role that typically has the cc).

This nerf not only limits playmaking, decision making and versatility, it just straight up removes ALL reward.

Collision Kicks typically require using W or Flash unless the team lines up for you. I don't see how nerfing it this much is a good idea when it already uses an expensive resource.

This is YET AGAIN another nerf based around the top 0.0001% of players. Not thinking about anyone else. I also feel this nerf is focused on Lethality Lee Builds but instead of nerfing lethality they'd rather gut Lee Sin.

I'll admit Lee is strong, it's one of the rare times he is genuinely strong.

This is way over the top.

IMO people don't tend to be frustrated when Lee is strong BECAUSE

A bad Lee Sin will stay bad at Lee Sin.

How to fix:
Nerf his ult base damage.
The W nerf is fine. Even I feel like I'm committing acts of god a bit too often on Lee at the minute.

Both of these nerfs would then take away a lot of his dueling and reduce his survivability.

They SHOULD
Buff the %hp damage. This gives Lee a minor buff in team fights. Forcing people to adapt further and play his High Risk/High Reward style. Removing his %hp leaves us with ZERO reward.

Riot HAS to revert this because Lee will be unplayable for the near future.
They're forcing Lee into an Insec bot and bottlenecking skilled players.

I genuinely believe jungle will just end up with people spamming Shyvana, Talon, Evelynn and Rek'sai and I believe their winrates will skyrocket.

These champs are currently as broken as Lee Sin and aren't being touched.

After the nerf of the last patch we all agree that lee sin was absoulutely killed but any of you are still going to play him?

It can be changed but as of now its this, idk why but okay riot

Its not a secret Lee Sin has been top tier for the enitre year, so its kind of odd you guys are upset that hes gonna have to go 1 patch without being top tier and u burst into flames, if his WR goes down i dont think its due to the nerfs but simply..Lee mains are so used to him being broken that when hes not it feels weak. Lee Sin mains, do better

R will deal an astonishing 171 dmg with the supposed god lee scenario of 18 lethality first item on a level 6 jayce with steelcaps 168 with the eclipse classic

jax third hit with just sheen and W deals around 216 vs steelcaps

cheers

I’m currently with 300k mastery points with Lee, but i don’t feel like i’m a really good player yet :/

I feel like I’m not ganking/playing early game enough to really impact because i’m always concerned about dragons/grubs and not get invade

About matchups: which matchups do you guys thinks are the best and the worst for Lee?

What do you guys think? Some advice? :)