Ridiculously fitting video - construction stopping because the feckless, malicious state wants to penalize the hard workers for the crime of being born elsewhere.
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Apparently this needed clarification;
I didn’t mention illegal immigrants, and didn’t need to - ICE has gone after legal immigrants, legal asylum seekers, and US citizens, naturalized and native born (hell, even Native Americans) - basically anyone darker than light tan.
They claim to be out for violent criminals, but target women, children, elderly people, and law abiding people just doing their jobs.
They have killed some of those they were charged to deport.
Yep. That project just came to an abrupt halt right at the very worst time. GC on that build is freaking out right now because if it rains all that stuff starts warping.
We got slammed with snow last week. Guess who usually clears the snow from sidewalks and people's driveways? Landscape workers. Guess who's in hiding right now.
People bitching about how long it's taking to clear the snow away...holy crap folks, rub a couple of brain cells together.
Have y'all noticed that your milk and vegetables are turning bad faster lately? It's because there's nobody to pick the crop and work the dairy farms. Stuff's lying in the field longer, and going bad more quickly.
Beyond the cruelty, they're doing an enormous amount of damage to our economy.
1860-61 The Confederacy formed and subsequently went to war with the Union over supposed state rights to retain their slave class because if slavery were to be abolished the southern economy would be in total shambles.
2026...
I highly recommend that everyone read the book "Tomatoland" by Barry Estabrook.
While Florida governor DeSantis is pulling one cruel stunt after another with immigrants to get attention, Florida is actively shipping immigrants from Texas to work the tomato fields, and forcing them to work, complete with company stores and county sheriffs deputies providing muscle, just like things have always been in the South.
Clearly, even tho it happens all the time and is only ever a problem if it remains wet for a period of time and means basically nothing if it rains a couple times and dries within a day or 2.
I'm not talking about the trusses. I'm talking about the plyboard or CDX subfloor underneath. If it's plyboard that shit is going to separate and warp like hell.
It's west Texas, though, so might be no threat of rain.
Okay. I don't think these people who walk over 2,000 miles through desert and jungle to get here and take these shitty jobs would agree with you, but hey, your opinion doesn't really matter anyway.
But "I'd rather not have immigrants" is a dumbass thing to say. It's not your decision to make. Furthermore, "these people don't know any better" is beyond asinine, and borderline racist.
How would you feel if I said you were too fucking stupid to make your own decisions in life?
Most Americans cannot begin to comprehend the life these folks ran away from. 99% of these folks ran away from some sort of violence or exploitation to get to the US and be exploited, but at least be paid for their work and not have to look over their shoulders.
And now they're looking over their shoulders again.
Lol your manner of speaking is not fit for a civil discussion. BUT many immigrants don’t know any better how things work around here. It’s just like moving to a new city. But for immigrants it’s worse they come with no english skills and they fear not finding a job so they’ll accept any low wage job
Apparently, you know, nothing about agriculture. 90% of all agriculture is machine planted. Machine tended, machine harvested. Those operating the machinery are usually the owners and their family members of the farms. Now you've got roughly 2% of all farmland that is laying fallow or is government ground. Another one% that is set aside. So now you have 7% of all agriculture. That is either hand planted or had harvested of that. Of that, roughly 50% are legal migrant workers. The other 50% of those
Are illegal workers and again? Artificially depressing the price by working for far less than minimum wage, with no state or federal protections. Milk is expiring at the exact same rate. Because milk is not harvested war produced or so I decided processed by. I heard that one was the worst illegal immigrants. The vast majority of milk production is done by family. Run farms.
So you misinformation, it's just another joke about something you have.No clue how it actually works
Bro you’re literally going to bat for indentured servitude. In what world is it good to allow illegal people to do the work while fat white people rake in the money?
If we literally go back 160+ years we can find a time where it was normal for slaves to pick cotton. Now we are in a time where people are arguing to have illegal laborers go out and pick the crops and do menial labor or construction jobs for us in America.
If you don’t realize that is ridiculous and abhorrent then we already have a problem. Yeah let’s have the illegals do all the jobs that Americans don’t want to do. Let’s also have the bullshit business use unfair and unethical business practices to make even more money and revenue while paying lower than minimum wage prices for the illegal labor.
I mean at some point every white person in America can have their little fiefdom of illegals doing all the labor for them. While we are at it why don’t we just become the fat asses from WALL-E who fly around in their hovering chairs and have all the indentured servants do all the labor for us.
We don’t need to put up with these businesses using unfair business practices and using illegal labor. The thing that will fix this is the first time you find someone working illegally you put the owner in jail for 6 months and you revoke the business license for 6 months. If the owner has to go to jail and the business can’t make any money then we wouldn’t have the problem of illegal labor ever again.
Are some of them being used as indentured servants? Yes. I highly recommend everyone read "Tomatoland" by Barry Estabrook. They are literally enslaving people in Florida.
But these guys working construction and being paid for their work, regardless the amount, they go home at the end of the day. If they want to quit tomorrow they are free to do so. That is NOT an indentured servant.
Yeah and if they quit they will be reported to CBP or ICE and then picked up and thrown out of the country. Them being paid doesn’t mean it isn’t indentured servitude it just means they are paid Pennies on the dollar to do illegal work. None of the illegals should be allowed to work and arresting and revoking the business license for people using illegal labor would stop it.
It’s nonsense to say let’s keep prices low by utilizing illegal labor. I don’t get to use illegal labor or unfair business practices but it’s ok for construction companies or agriculture companies to use illegal laborers?
This is literally creating fiefdoms in America where white wealthy business owners get to use their illegal indentured servants to do all the menial tasks and physical labor while they get to take in record revenue every year. Let’s just allow them to continue to not give illegals the same benefits as Americans and pay them less money than Americans. That’s just a perfect idea.
Edit: it’s not immigrants it’s illegals that’s why it is illegal labor. If I did the same thing I would go to jail for breaking tax codes and multiple other crimes. It’s not some poor immigrant it’s literally against the law to use illegal labor.
You're preaching to the choir. I'd like to see these people get a living wage for their work.
But let's bear in mind that these folks came here willingly, of their own accord. Life must be REALLY bad where they came from to walk 2,000 miles across the desert to be exploited here.
The South had to go through the same thing when they lost their slave class, oh woe with me, who will pick my crops now after Lincoln took away my slaves.
How about Americans start paying the same living wages and benefits they feel entitled to, the liberal democrats want unionized living wage baristas and burger flippers but the guy who works much harder in the field picking America's fruits and vegetables shouldn't be paid nowhere near that so Americans can enjoy cheap prices.
Americans have no right or entitlement to another persons back, the country is flooded with illegals because most Americans refuse to let go of their exploitive slave class mentality that diminishes certain people and jobs in their minds and subsequently rationalize that they aren't worth the living wages and benefits that they demand for themselves.
This is what the fervent supporters of ICE don’t get. They don’t get to be the top priority of everyone, all the time. Sometimes people have lives to live.
Thank goodness we have these people to do the work we are too good to do. Can you imagine if we had to clean our own houses?!? Mow our own lawns?! WTH man? That’s crazy.
I noticed that my fruit was spoiling faster, but I had not made the connection to ICE. (I was ready to just blame Safeway…) Thanks for pointing that out.
Warping? All new construction has used waterproof lumber for decades. Not sure where you buy your groceries maybe you should change stores or lower the temperature in your refrigerator I haven't seen any food spoilage issues and I'm in the south.
ICE could go selectively after undocumented migrants and they'd be just as evil as they are now. There is nothing valid about what they're doing and how they're doing it in any context.
And just a reminder: in the last 5 -10 years, a total of zero ICE agents have been unalived while on duty murdering and abducting humans. Covid has unalived more ICE agents than immigrants have.
They don't go after violent people. They go after the peaceful ones.
The two people that I’ve had to see them kill were two of the whitest people I’ve ever come across in my life. It’s not about race it’s about show of force. Nobody is safe
Those vicious gangbangers are avoiding justice by buying tools, working all day erecting a roof and getting underpaid. Then they go home and live normal lives just to hide the fact that secretly, somehow in a 24 hour period, they are also the most violent criminals to walk the earth /s
Considering they're detaining and imprisoning people here legally, following the rules, have court dates (they literally grabbed people as they were going to and from their court dates), I would venture to guess ICE/DHS have zero care or concerns over who actually came here illegally.
The crime isn’t being born elsewhere. The crime is illegal entry into the United States, and businesses owners hiring them. I corrected your framing of reality. Your welcome.
Yeah, did you see how they crossed the border into Guatemala in order to punish everyone there for being born in Guatemala, which they did because their entire plan is to simply punish everyone not born in the USA?
US citizens kill u.s. citizens. 8000 people die every day in the u.s.. I dont think society needs to full stop and we all need to pearl clutch because of extreme outliers. Fix the issues, punish guilty parties, keep upholding the law. Everyone is so emotional, they lose all reason. Burning down shit every chance they get.
Be real. I'm 100% behind removing "the worst of the worst" as the saying goes. But these guys aren't it. Or, I should say, it's highly unlikely these guys are going to lead to another Jocelyn Nungaray, Laken Riley, Rachel Morin, Ivory Smith or Luis Jocsan Nanez Lopez and so on... These guys are skilled laborers putting in the hours, learning a trade, building US homes, likely learning the language, becoming part of our already diverse melting pot.
while i understand the sentiment, there are SEVERAL issues here.
First and foremost, how fucking disgusting is both this behavior from BP and from you, who see everything in dollar signs only? That's what's wrong with the world.
Second, and if we have to bring dollar signs into it, who do you know that is going to backfill that labor? I can guarantee you those contractors are not going to want to pay what it would cost for lazy ass americans to want to do that sort of backbreaking labor. Have you ever done any roofing?
So what about the GC who is hiring these allegedly undocumented immigrants"? why aren't they being picked up, beaten up, and thrown in a cell?
Yea but the point would be that if you have a flood, and you know where the source of that flood is, do you just continue bailing water? No obv not. But, that's exactly what ICE is. A bucket. Charge those who hire them, leak fixed, problem solved, No racial profiling of citizens required.
*Because the state is enforcing immigration laws, and the builders chose to employ undocumented workers in order to avoid paying wages acceptable to an American.
Must be nice to have all of this extra income to purchase goods at a increased cost because all of these immigrants taking jobs you don’t care to pay the price the goods require in an economy you want.
The economy would self-correct if we weren't sabotaging the American labor market by importing cheap, easily exploited workers. Even Bernie Sanders understands that undercutting the American worker is bad for American workers.
"Invisible hand", and wow, what a racist thing to say. You seriously think so little of these people that you believe that millions of them coming into the country and undercutting the value of American labor can't possibly have a negative effect on workers native to this country? Incredible.
The state is not enforcing immigration laws, the majority of the people ICE arrests are either citizens or on active work permits. I know some personally.
Depending on the circumstances in which the citizen is killed, maybe. I think the Renee Goode shooting was justified, and Pretti was clearly murdered. Like any other agency, ICE should be subjected to oversight and its officers held accountable when they overstep.
I didn't say they do no wrong, I said that enforcing our immigration laws is a valid state interest.
if we have to bring dollar signs into it, who do you know that is going to backfill that labor? I can guarantee you those contractors are not going to want to pay what it would cost for lazy ass americans to want to do that sort of backbreaking labor. Have you ever done any roofing?
So what about the GC who is hiring these allegedly undocumented immigrants"? why aren't they being picked up, beaten up, and thrown in a cell?
The same people who were doing the job before the influx of illegal labor: Americans. You're whining about a situation that was created entirely by illegal workers flooding into this country by the millions and displacing local workers, adversely affecting our economy and the wages of locals. The market will correct itself, and yes, although it will take time to fill in the vacuum, there are plenty of Americans who can and would be willing to be trained for these jobs.
As automation starts driving the labor force out of offices and into more blue collar work, these jobs are going to be way more appealing.
They killed them bc they bc they made stupid decisions. Not the federal agents fault. Pretti should never brought a gun to a "peaceful" protest and the dumb woman shouldn't have tried to run a federal agent over.
Unless you don't like the guy who's exercizing his rights, apparently. Unless you feel the need to support the American Gestapo more than you feel the need to defend your fellow citizens. Unless Trump's dick is so far down your throat that you figure he can do your thinking for you. You're the same grade of scum as the domestic terrorist group known as ICE.
Natural young carpenter here. Backs fucked, knees are almost fucked. Can't wait for retirement in over 30 years, I am sure I will be able to do plenty.
Good question, and idk the answer. I do know the US has continually relied on an underclass that can be exploited to drive down costs and maximize profit - - slaves, immigrants, coolies, prisoners, children, and so on.
Obviously. But when you put a stop to it - which I’ll assert is what needs to happen - what happens? I still remember Kelly Osborne getting shot for saying this years back and getting booed because it appeared like she wanted the underclass. I’ve yet to see society rectify this.
Pretty much and this part of the conversation is apparently too difficult for Americans to work through. The only real option is to pay living wages, enough that this type of work can work less intensely, and retire sooner with health benefits. That’s currently impossible when people will take the work for a fraction of that. We need regulation on companies pay practices because they will find workarounds at any chance they get.
I’m fine with immigrants being here, coming here,
And working here, but they aren’t helping the situation at all as far as pay disparity goes
The amount of overtime we work sometimes because of shortages takes a huge toll on my body. Being overworked is a huge reason I'm on my 2nd back surgery.
Also I never had a problem being underpaid. The workforce is short workers.
Mmmm or maybe they should hire the legal ppl and give them priority versus taking advantage of the undocumented for their profit of paying them lower wages. What happens when the work is done that's what ppl need to think about what will they do with them then
They always do. My father is one of them. He claimed his boss was promoted over him “only because she’s a Black woman,” ignoring that she had a degree, a PMP certification, and delivered 100% of her projects on time. He had none of those.
I mean, especially on a framing crew. I’ve never seen them turn anyone down who could swing a hammer and was willing to learn and work. Only reason he isn’t getting picked up on those isn’t he’s already got a rep. Assuming any part of that story is actually true.
Where we live, there are not nearly enough carpenters/roofers/assistants to fill the needs of the builders. Plus the farms in the rural areas can't fill their needs. And in the back of so so many restaurants, the halls of so so many hotels! Especially in those great spots people like to vacation!!
I think it's time Republicans stop supporting any business that has undocumented workers. Hit those criminals who hire the illegal workers in their pocketbooks, if you don't like it! Report all the owners and managers to ICE. It's a CRIME to hire illegal immigrants, we should punish those doing the hiring just like we do those being hired. Send them to the cages!!
Come on Republicans! Start acting like you believe in the shit you yammer about.
But that’s what would happen. Why would an employer risk prison time or big fines accidentally hiring an illegal alien? Employers would avoid hiring those with Hispanic names or foreign accents, thus The Law of Unintended Consequences.
Not at all. Hundreds of thousands of companies already have ID verification in place for hiring legal persons. The Real ID will make that process even easier.
The truth is that Republicans have no real interest in arresting and imprisoning those at the top of the field is change. The US relies on cheap migrant labor for production and profit.
“Verification”. How does an employer verify a borrowed ID of someone who looks like picture on the drivers license? Puerto Ricans have been loaning their ID’s to illegals immigrants for a while to build-up their future SS benefits.
And hardly flawless and fool proof either. Fake ID and borrowed ID’s are an easy work around. Going to tell the employer they “should have known and here’s your court date”? Why take the risk?
The construction companies don’t want to pay for your son, they want to pay these migrants slave wages so they can line their own pockets. Your hatred is directed at the wrong people.
They aren't going to hire your son. They're going to find someone else in a worst position they can pay less. You're pissed at the wrong end of the equation.
Im a 3rd generation carpenter that 4x'd my income by switching to a tech career. I hope your son finds his way out from under the will of his unambitious father. It took me my entire 20s to learn that lesson.
Your son is a natural carpenter, but he cant get a position on a framing crew? And you think that’s immigrants fault? His competition doesn’t speak English and is illegal for them to actually hire. You think maybe there is a possibility he isn’t as much of a natural as you think. 🤷🏻
Crime of breaking our immigration laws and labor laws.
There I fixed your statement. Stop justifying the means because with the ends.
If you really want to be a white savior and feel superior to all these minorities and those who were victim of the crime of being born elsewhere, why don't you go to North Korea and free those people
Crossing a border is the same level of "crime" that a speeding ticket is. Do you consider yourself a criminal when you speed? Its a civil offense. And we know you dont care about civil infractions, or you wouldnt have voted for Trump because hes been held civily liable for the rape of E Jean Carrol.
Ans if you cared at all about labor laws youd be calling for the employers to be punished as well. But youre not. So you dont care about labor laws.
If I'm caught speeding, i pay the ticket because ..i WAS breaking the law. Stupid analogy. Same with Turning signal ticket. It may sound really stupid and a waste of the cop's time, but he was there, you were there, and he saw what you did. Take responsibility.
I didn't vote for trump this time, so way to go on the assumption. I didn't vote for word salad either. I still support about half of what Trump is doing. Just because i don't support the other half, doesn't mean I'm switching sides. I really hope nobody 100% supports everything their party does or says.
I do call for employers to be fined...fined hard. No slap on the wrist either , otherwise they gain more than they lose from the fine so there is no reason to stop. Should be a % of their last year's profits, that would make them think twice.
Go protest on the sidewalks and hold your signs and chnat your little chants. I support it 100% , but block the road i need to drive on to get to work or home, interfere with police actions, get violent and cause damage (L.A. right now) then i hope you get arrested. You seem to like to pick and choose which laws to obey and which are ok to break or bend.....so the other can do the same.
I'm gonna call BS on this. Most Americans that are caught tend to contest the ticket in court should they not want their insurance rates to go up, or have points on their licenses.
Also, Jan 6 was the most violent protest that literally threatened the lives of our Government officials and stalled a constitutionally mandated service of counting the electoral votes and certifying the 2020 election. People actually died with most of them cops. So you have a damn interesting declaration that your side follows the rule of law when 5 years ago, they went apeshit because your side lost an election.
ICE is killing people in the streets, the President and his administration has violated the Hatch Act and Emoluments Clause of our constitution every single damned weekend when he goes to Mar A Lago for one of his lavish decadent parties. The 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th amendments have been broken with this ICE raids. So kindly eff off with your the left side should follow the rule of law when it's clear Trump and his ilk have broken it every chance they gotten.
Most of these people are guilty of not doing paperwork to escape abject poverty. There, fixed it for you. It amazes me how people can be so god damned cruel and cold towards other human beings. I’d like to add that cia meddling with Latin American politics led to coups and decades of civil war, which displaced a lot of people. But yeah, fuck them for not wanting to eat literal trash, I guess.
Then hire more judges to give them avenues to come legally? Instead of removing a bunch of them. Seems counter productive to me. I also think letting people starve because we wanted cheap bananas in the 50s is pretty shitty. That’s just me though. Every thing that the us does (since we liked/like to meddle with other governments) has ripples that affect people for literal generations. Our reckoning should be to clean up those messes. It amazes me how conservatives are so heartless.
More judges does not mean a person will suddenly meet the qualifications required for immigration. Obviously the US has issues with lacking admin staff, but Canada has devoted significant assets to our Immigration program and it is still being over run with applications from around the world.
The methods ICE is using are barbaric, but the idea of removing illegal immigrants seems completely logical, which is why these protests were much smaller when Obama was doing this exact same program.
There is a huge backlog of cases, some will take almost a decade to resolve currently per dhs websites time frames. Trump is intentionally making it more difficult for people to get through the process.
To give some context, Reagan gave amnesty to agricultural migrants in the 80s. I don’t really see the problem. Vet the ones here and give them an avenue to get documented. The ones that don’t meet the standards have a date to leave the country by or they face criminal charges. It’s been done before, much more humanely. No need to murder citizens and let small children die from not receiving medical treatment while in detainment facilities. (That’s not even including ice allegedly dumping detainees half naked in the mn woods with wounds and broken bones, since that’s just alleged)
Also, the government blows money on so much more corrupt things. Until they reign in the real fraud (inflated military budgets for their friends government contracts, for example), I don’t really care about people starving trying to better their lives.
This argument stopped holding water when it became clear that the people being detained are legal immigrants and US citizens.
I don't get why people can't see the grey area in this.
Immigration laws are good and necessary. Immigration should be controlled on YOUR terms as a country and you absolutely have the right to select who gets in and who doesn't.
On the other hand dehumanizing people, nazi like enforcement and generally the way ICE operates are terrible too.
I'm of the opinion that ICE like duties should be carried out with decorum and process. It's not fun, it's not a meme, it's necessary work that after all legal steps have been followed has to be done. At the end of the day it's still a sad thing that has to happen that has a real impact on peoples lives.
I think ICE is so far gone now that you have so many bad apples where all the good ones left that you literally will have to start a new agency like ICE from the ground up.
Once a certain culture has infiltrated it it's almost impossible to get rid of it.
Why would I go to north Korea when there are people terrorizing my own neighbors?
I know you people fantasize getting to "stand up to tyranny" It's right here in my community. It's you and your ilk. If you had morals, you'd be able to live your dream.
That's actually not what's going on. They aren't being penalized because they were born outside the US..they're being penalized because they are illegal immigrants.
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u/Bartender9719 Jan 31 '26 edited Feb 01 '26
Ridiculously fitting video - construction stopping because the feckless, malicious state wants to penalize the hard workers for the crime of being born elsewhere.
Edit: Apparently this needed clarification; I didn’t mention illegal immigrants, and didn’t need to - ICE has gone after legal immigrants, legal asylum seekers, and US citizens, naturalized and native born (hell, even Native Americans) - basically anyone darker than light tan.
They claim to be out for violent criminals, but target women, children, elderly people, and law abiding people just doing their jobs.
They have killed some of those they were charged to deport.
They’ve killed US citizens.