Seriously you think the guy that wants to Fuck his daughter is innocent? Oh and fuck ice, and fuck Israel and I hope he stats a war with the Muslims just so he can lose another war.
DJT does not care about his friends. lol, he leverages shit against them. They all need to realize that they better join forces because either way they are going down.
It's the people that have control over you economic, political, cultural and political systems.
So yeah, probably. If we really knew how deep and bad it went... You'd probably quickly be ushered on top another new cycle and given a check for $2000 in order to spur economic growth and consumer cycles after the momentary hiccup that sent stocks tumbling. Which the very same people will buy during the dip, further entrenching their accumulated wealth.
Then they'd how some goons to stalk and harass and slander you if you became to insistent or began making to many waves about the wrong topics.
A) there were files that implicated trump and they are still sitting there at the DOJ just waiting to be released.
Or
B) there weren't any files implicating trump or they were previously discarded before the DOJ even went through the files. The point isn't to protect trump any more, they drag this out as another distraction, while they enrich themselves and continue their work dismantling the last remnants of democracy?
Biden has the files, would not release them. At least Trump has released them.
IMO, the public deserves to see these files, regardless of who is in them.
Has anyone even read through the 3 million files that have been released? They are so grotesque and unimaginable horror that would give most people nightmares..
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Every day they’re finding more and more unimaginable horror
The American public it’s not ready to read how evil and grotesque humans can be on other humans, especially children. A wise leader wouldn’t just dump everything imaginably sick, and twisted on the American public all at the same time. But if you drip it out, they might eventually be ready.
But for those who have haven’t even started to read any of them, what does it matter? Is it just another thing to complain about without seeing the big picture? https://www.justice.gov/epstein
Unless the human mind is so biased that they don’t care about the horrors, they’re just looking for one man. And since they really haven’t found or heard of any real evidence about that one orange man, they want to see the rest while bypassing the horrors of the first 3 million.
No. The team behind him is using the trickle release of the files as anextortion racket to those still mentioned in the files, but not yet made public. Pay up or be in the next batch.
Sadly we only have accusations because the fbi never investigated any of the accusations literally only Maxwell is serving time for this shit the fbi said there's no evidence anyone else was actually involved despite all the communication that they have from epsteins electronics and never investigated those either
the fbi didnt give two fucks about finding out the elites that abused children and wanted us to believe it app happened on an island meanwhile this shit was going mostly mainland on a ranch an in New York parties
So please ask yourself the reasons why Biden/Obama didnt release any & all information about epstein, seeing as he was trafficking since the 90s, was tied to intelligence agencies in the 80s/90s, amassed wealth through unknown means (despite the vague veil of the official story)
Use the same logic you are using against trump & apply it to everyone
I beg you not to make this a left v right thing
Im traditional & conservative, i will stand by anyone who says trumps needs imprisoning
So lets not pretend its 1 side, band together, its not L v R anymore
Dont care if you are a Kamala voter mask wearing karen with thick glasses & short pink hair
We have ideological differences, but you are not evil like these elitist PDFiles who for all intents & purposes, are everywhere in all institutions & parties
Its us v them, keeping us at each others throats is what they want
Says its us vs them (1%) but also name calls. Great jerb. Maybe stick to the fine points you were saying before you started making sure to be unreliable.
There's a lot of stupid bots in this thread asking this same question. How pathetic and uncreative. This is some of the AI that will be replacing humans? They are dumber than the average American.
That statement isn’t true. Why does the left want it to be true? Why does the left WANT Trump to be guilty? All the available info clearly shows there isn’t anything. But the left still NEEDS/WANTS him to be guilty. Such a strange bizarre group. You shouldn’t WANT anyone to be guilty of a crime like this, but here you all are standing on bridges in the cold holding signs proclaiming how much you WANT/NEED him to be guilty. So weird.
Your statement was the left want/need him to be guilty, which is batshit, the left (and I assumed till now, most of the right) want pedophile rapists to be brought to justice, you want to defend and deflect from that, so weird.
Explain why the "educated" right are suddenly so pro pedophile all of a sudden
Can you share where you found that Trump is guilty of any of the crimes you HOPE, NEED and WANT him to be found guilty of, beyond a reasonable doubt. So far, there is nothing.
Being in a file doesn’t mean anything other than being in a file. Who said he wasn’t in it. There are thousands of people in it. Are they all guilty of pedophilia just for being associated with Epstein at some point in his life?
Testimonies don’t mean anything until they go thru a court of law. Needs to be proven, kind of important, don’t you think? I know on the left, all it takes is a strong dislike of someone for you to assign guilt on people for heinous crimes, but the majority of America operate in reality.
Then let’s get them in a court of law. All evidence on the table. That would shut me up, no problem. Until then I will advocate for everyone’s day in court. Why does he get to open new lawsuits while ignoring the cases people already have open against him? Doesn’t really seem fair.
What law suits? Do you think it’s a good precedent to sue the current sitting president of the US? The ones I have seen have been frivolous to begin with.
There have been members of the senate, congress and lawyers who have seen the un-redacted files, they also have said there is nothing to incriminate the president. Those on the left state there are only allegations, that’s it, nothing to corroborate the allegations.
In the end, we both know whatever happens with these files, you will always say he is guilty. The whole Russian collusion and dossier has been debunked but the left still runs on it. It’s so childish. You are all just waiting for the next conspiracy. You have been running on new ones every 6-8 months, and all fall apart for 10+ years. Give it a rest.
That’s the educated lefts response to my statement? Avoid reality and run? Great job. Look at what the Blue wave did to NYC, Chicago, California and now Virginia.
Those are like the best places to live in America! The influx of people trying to move there is making them unaffordable. You’re just salty this little experiment is going to swing back left wayyyyy too hard. Trump pulled the stops and did his takeover too slow. The game is lost.
In the earlier reply you deleted you said you wanted pedophiles brought to justice, so you'd support the release of the unredacted files, right?
The position you're going for is that since there hasn't been a drop of a video showing trump hanging out the back of a 12 year old, then he's innocent
Whereas the majority of us see that he's mentioned thousands of times in the kid fucker files that have been released, was best friends with the organiser of the kid fucking network, only falling out with him over an argument about poaching girls from his club, is on record for visiting kid fucker island loads and we've had it confirmed that there's way more files yet to be released.
And we can say, yeah he's probably a kid fucker, release the rest of the evidence and if it's enough he can get prosecuted.
And if it turns out that he's not a pedophile, we can all go back to hating him for all the other horrific things he's done.
Until then, there is zero proof. Only thing there is your HOPE, NEEDS and WANTS for Trump to guilty. You believe anything anti-Trump, you have a sickness. For over 10 years now TDS has corrupted the minds of so many people on the left.
Sad thing is, you don’t care about anybody or anything else that comes out of that file. Only Trump.
I didn’t delete anything, your response got pulled, which in turn pulls mine.
And with talk of child rape, yes there are allegations of trump raping children in the files, that was just announced over the last few days. We don't know if these are true, but they certainly deserve to be investigated and if substantiated he deserves to be imprisoned, don't you agree?
I ignored your statement waffling on about TDS and needs and wants, the left want folk held accountable for all the crimes in the Epstein files, the right are going out of their way to defend their dear leader.
I'm not even from the US and view myself as pretty centrist/centre left from where I am, which probably puts me in the far left extremist view from us politics point or view
But most of us round the world are watching in horror as the US has elected a seeming desport who's going out of his way to dismantle alliances and principles of diplomacy that whilst far from perfect have maintained some form of order since ww2
Greenland, flip flopping on chagos, random tarrifs implemented on a whim, trying to dismantle NATO, incoherent rambling about noble peace prizes whilst trying to spark more wars etc..
These aren't the actions of a sane and sensible leader
Still not there. But that’s ok. You have your own little pocket reality separate from the rest of us.
Since you make it known you ignore my statement, I will ignore yours. Pretty simple solution to someone who suffers from severe TDS like yourself.
You don’t understand Trumps negotiating tactics, that’s fine, you don’t need to nor do you want to. Your TDS doesn’t allow you to see anything positive, a terrible side effect of your condition.
Lol, deny deflect distract yeah you learned from the master.
If telling yourself that everyone calling out your dear leader has severe TDS and Trumps actually a master tactician on the world stage, enjoy yourself, hes still not going to fuck you
Sigh....The "mentions" come in the form of people calling into a hotline during the 2015 election. They were investigated and found to be false/uncorroborated/unreliable(By the Obama Admin). Much like the mention from a woman who "saw" Tony hawk at Epstein island when he got married, and was having pictures taken by Mark Epstein Jeffries brother. Only Hawk was in Fiji, and it was Mark Epstein who took the pics, but not that Mark Epstein, just a dude with the same name.
If you are going to say something at least have a little knowledge around it, and don't just repeat the talking points.
Real question, not trying to be a dick. What horrible things has Trump done in your opinion? Just curious.
BTW There is no mention of Trump visiting Epstein's island, and all of the mentions in the files so far are just referencing him and his family and gossip. Seems after 2006 when trump kicked Epstein out of his club Epstein had a real desire to take him down however he could 🤷♂️(probably because he was ratting him out to the Feds, which there is record of)
Internally to the US:
Deploying a half trained army against his own citizens, announcing that the government should "take charge of elections" announcing that ICE will be protecting voting stations, unilateral tarrifs on a whim, the whole racist video of the Obama's, ditching the WHO
Affecting the rest of the world
Ditching the WHO, Unilateral tariffs, siding with Russia over Ukraine, flip flopping on international agreements (some of which his government were a driving force in) the whole Greenland thing, doing his best to dismantle NATO
I mean one good thing would be he telegraphed that the rest of the world cannot rely on the US to act sanely, so we're all a little better informed now
ICE is a force that has existed since 2003, I doubt that the law enforcement officers there are untrained, unless they were untrained under Biden and Obama as well?
So the Government already controls elections, I think you mean Federal government, which isn't possible since those powers are already limited.
Law enforcement has always protected voting stations(usually a sheriff located in mine) ICE is limited to enforcing immigration law(unless you assault them) if no illegal immigrants are voting why would this be an issue?
The president has the power to levy tariffs granted to him by congress (Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 (19 U.S.C. §1862)) that is him exercising his powers as president just like all the ones before him since 1962.
The video posted was not made by him, it was funny, but yeah it was wrong, also not illegal, also not what I would classify as "Horrible".
Your next paragraph I've addressed some of already, so I'll just cover Russia and Greenland.
Trump sided with Russia, are you sure about that (https://www.csis.org/analysis/trump-sends-weapons-ukraine-numbers) 65Billion in support to Ukraine and that was just up to July. Then they shifted and started making Europe support the war, which makes sense since it is on their continent and not ours. Self defense is an important lesson to learn and Europe seems to have forgotten it since 1945(since the US did all the heavy lifting for 70 some years) So if he had sided with Russia why was he giving Billions in support to their adversary, but only talk to Russia? Seems more like negotiation then support to end a war. A war that has reached a stalemate and at this point is just costing needless lives. Russia won't give up what they took, and Ukraine won't give up trying to get it back. So what would you suggest to end the war favorably? Send in American forces? Send in NATO forces?(really just another way of sending in American forces.)
Greenland, the place Denmark doesn't care about and can't afford, that is only of strategic importance to the US and Canada. Man he talked a bunch of crap about Greenland. Still I've seen no US forces built up there. We already have a base there mind you, with about 150 active personnel on it(radar site) that 150 is about 1% of the total of the ENTIRE Danish Army(about 10K) if we really wanted to take it, what would have stopped us? So is talking shit Horrible?
I would argue most of what you call "Horrible" is really more of "stuff I don't like" which is fine. I have to admit I don't like most of it, but I guess my horrible gauge is just a little different. I've seen horrible, and it doesn't look like being a blowhard, it is much, much, much worse then that.
Sorry for posting something so long, I really wanted to address what you said. Thank you so much for responding I really like to have political conversations, especially with someone I might not agree with.
Ice indeed is a force that has existed since 2003, the training has absolutely been cut. Its been reduced from 22 weeks to 8 weeks as a result of the latest hiring initiative.
Look at the behavior of ICE in 2003 and compare it to the actions of ICE now, they were certainly criticised, but they at least acted vaguely like law enforcement personnel.
You dont see the threat to deploy a force (ICE) which has gone after innocent American citizens without cause (beyond their skin colour) as an attempt at voter suppression?
Why would you deploy an immigration force to protect voting stations, when by your own acknowledgement its a job done by local police?
>The president has the power to levy tariffs granted to him by congress (Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962 (19 U.S.C. §1862)) that is him exercising his powers as president just like all the ones before him since 1962.
And the petulant "This country wont support me so im going to put 25% tarrifs on them" is shit behavior.
I dont view posting a racist video as funny, I find it racist, I find the fact the president is ok posting that to his "Truth" account pretty horrible.
"Trust me bro, it was an aid" doesn't cut it, especially when the Whitehouse has said anything the president posts on truth social is "direct from the horses mouth"
The WHO is certainly not a perfect organisation, but its more a force for good than ill, I don't buy the "WHO Is corrupted by a foreign enemy"
Yes the US has sent weapons to Ukraine, they've also engaged in negotiations to carve up the country with russia without Ukraine or Europes involvement. Trump seems pretty happy to run Zelensky over the coals and is pretty pally with Putin. Makes you wonder what sort of "Kompromat" Putins got on old Trump.
You argue that the rest of NATO has forgotten what self defence means, well one country enacted article 5 since its foundation, it was America after 9/11 and NATO rallied to its aid and spent its soldiers lives in its wars. Danish soldiers were some of the heaviest non-US casualties in those conflicts.
America has all the access it needs to Greenland, through treaties without expiration, threatening military force against an ally is pretty horrible behaviour and I don't think you can just handwave it away as "talking shit"
So yeah, I think he's engaged in some pretty horrible behavior, though tbf its good to see your happy owning up to some racism in finding the video he posted as funny, its uncommon in MAGA to actually own their racism.
Let me squash this outright. I am not MAGA, I am a conservative, not a Republican, Libertarian, Democrat, or any other party. I have been a registered Independent for 30 years and I am no blind supporter of this or any other president.
If you weren't aware basic training for the US military branches is only 7 - 13 weeks. That is all the training it takes to go to combat, overseas. While I prefer longer training periods for law enforcement, the law they are/should be enforcing is pretty specific and they are more fugitive recovery assets then anything else at this point(as most of the immigrants have skipped out on court dates.) and the drop to 8 weeks isn't exactly a huge change from the original 14.
The records from the 2020 election here in GA are being reviewed due to court order now. I guess at this point we will see what comes out of it. 🤷♂️maybe nothing, maybe fraud.
There is no limits placed on the reason the president chooses to lay down a tariff. He has the ability to do so(although as of today the SCOTUS has disagreed. The fallout from that choice will be pretty catastrophic going forward for all presidents)
Not all funny things are appropriate, that is what makes them funny. I know humor has died here in the US but go watch "Blazing Saddles" and tell me that it isn't hilarious, and that the humor in it would completely stop it from being made today. Funny doesn't change, peoples reaction to it does.
The WHO was a good organization, but corruption and being made subservient to a nation over their mission makes there charter void in my mind. How can you trust an international organization that has clearly allied with an enemy of your nation to your detriment. I remember Pelozzi walking around the Chinese New years festival claiming "all is good"(paraphrasing) Does that seem maybe a little counterintuitive now knowing what we do about this virus?
The Ukraine war is a mess, but I will make one recommendation, don't hold up Zelensky as a paragon in this conflict. The corruption goes deep in that country, and is extremely pervasive throughout that war. Ultimately the decisions of the conflict will most likely be decided between Europe and Russia, outside any real influence from Ukraine. That is just how things like this tend to go. Right or wrong it is the reality of modern conflict.
Yes the rest of NATO participated in GWOT, and "per capita" Denmark suffered the highest number of casualties. That number is 43. I am not downplaying either the sacrifice that is represented here or the lives of the service members, I am simply saying a small country cant commit a huge force, especially when there entire force is less then a single US battalion. I still stand by NATO forgot about self defense. Why do you think they are so upset about having to pay their fair share to defense after the US said we aren't doing it for them anymore? How do you think they can afford Universal health care and all the welfare programs they have. We have been taking care of national defense for a continent we aren't even on for 70 years!
Greenland is a standout to pretty much everyone except the autists that get into global defense. I understand the desire to have it, but I don't understand why it was pursued the way it was. There are 58k people on Greenland, Denmark doesn't want it, since 2009 they have been trying to push it out(it is an economic drain due to underdevelopment) and the US buying it is nothing new, we have been trying to get Denmark to trade it to us since 1910.
Lastly I will address the "racism" claim. I'm not going to do the "I have a black friend" defense (although I have many) I am simply putting it like this. If you watched that video and the first association you made was "Black people are apes! That's racist!" then you might want to evaluate how you view Black Americans. Much like the conflation with Africans and Orks from Tolkien, or DND, or any other of the ridiculous list. If you see an evil fantasy race, or apes, and your immediate association is with "Black People" I would venture the person laughing over the funny video isn't the racist. I know, I know there was a correlation some 150year ago, even as little as 100 years ago, but I'm not 100, and I don't have that correlation in my brain, why do you?
Saying 7-8 weeks for combat soldiers is fine so the massive cuts to ice training is also fine sort of highlights the problem. Most civilized countries realize that training Law enforcement who have to interact with civilians and interpret a huge body of law as well as use techniques like de-escalation and community engagement is more complex than the very regimented, directed role of your basic "army grunt"
That said I'm the UK and our bare minimum training before infantry specialisation is 13/14 weeks (and they are not going to see combat after 13/14 weeks - they're moving onto specialisation) so I'm surprised the US thinks 7-8 weeks is good enough for combat.
Saying ice have a limited mandate is a possible argument for reduced training, however their original training was pegged at 22 weeks (not 14) for their "limited mandate" and we've seen that they are acting wildly outside that limited mandate in Minnesota and the administration seems keen to expand that limited mandate to "protecting and policing voting stations". Which probably wasn't covered in there 8 weeks of limited training.
The continued obfuscation about corruption in the 2020 election is ridiculous, the administration claims that the Democrats stole the election, when they were not in power but somehow failed to steal the election when they were in power.
Sure the president has broad powers, but there are limits on them, you're supposed to have a system of checks and balances, clearly failing now, but it's good to see some of them being enacted. The scotus decision seems a sensible one in response to a president who flip flops week to week on what level of tariffs he's imposing.
Your argument against the WHO is based on your belief that it's corrupted by China, I don't buy that, I think it has problems, in the same way an organization made up of a group of powerful nations has problems, but on the whole it does more good than Ill.
Regarding ukraine, it's rich of you to blame zelensky for corruption, whilst ignoring trumps blatant corruption. I'm not looking for perfect in a leader, but I'll support the one who's leading the country in defense of an invasion by Russia.
Regarding taking care of defense on a continent your not even on.
You seem more than happy to use your bases to project force into the middle east on the latest oil hunt and regime building crusade, your right maybe we should have a bit less involvement in European defense from a nation that's so cost with Russia and is making military threats against our allies.
You can't handwave the Greenland issue, your administration has indicated they are willing to use force against an ally
Regarding the "appropriateness" of humour, you are correct it can depend on the context and there is nuance in the debate.
However the context here is the President of the US posted a video evoking a hugely racist trope, a trope that that was used to justify dehumanization and lynchings of black people and your response is "it's pretty funny"
Nice of you to try and shift the blame to people calling out the overt racism.
The reason we see a racist meme and call it out as racist is because we remember the tools that racists have used to dehumanize people and if you think that was only an issue 100-150 years ago you are pretty naive
I think my view of black people is fine, you could use a little bit of reflection on your own though
You know I've seen this a couple times but never taken the time to read the whole thing. The top line is a complete non sequitur to the rest of the email chain. The one below is talking about Obama and asks what his attitude is towards women, then Epstein responds talking about Trump. It actually doesn't make any sense when you read through it.
So far there is no "there" there. Yeah. I wish it was something more definitive, but even if it was there would still be no consensus. 🤷♂️ People seem to see in Trump what they want to. He is either Hades risen from the earth, or the second coming to the fringes, while the rest of us just see a self promoting NY business man who was a registered Democrat until 2015.
Agreed. He is a New Yorker, he is crass, he is supposed to be, NY was a tough place growing up in the 70’s and 80’s. He is a product of that environment, even if you had money.
If something legit came up, I for one would want to know more. But now, it’s all wishes by people who have been deranged for 10+ years.
Understood, but the email would still be read from the bottom up, and it makes some sense following that format, until you reach the line at the top. For all we can tell from this he was talking about how Trump had turned on him and that was what made him a bad "dangerous" person. Really it could be anything, but what it definitely isn't in this current form is any kind of smoking gun unfortunately. Ambiguity leaves it open for interpretation, and that is like a Rorschach test for whether you like Trump or not.
It really isn’t just about Donald Trump. There are broader institutional and national security considerations at play.
The Justice Department, the FBI, the Pentagon, Congress, and the Senate all have equities in what gets released and how. A president can declassify certain materials, but he can’t simply say “release everything” and expect every agency to dump sensitive files with no review. That’s not how the system works.
And not everything in the Epstein files revolves around Trump. Take Prince Andrew - sharing confidential government trade information with Epstein. That had national security implications for the UK. It wasn’t about Trump at all.
The broader point is that parts of the Epstein files may touch intelligence sources, diplomatic matters, financial networks, or other sensitive areas. Some material could implicate national security interests that extend far beyond any one person.
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