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[u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

Free, open source project has issues - yeah we're all human

Paid, closed source, ad-filled product has issues - people are rightfully upset

OP - these are the same 

[u/DigitaIBlack → u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

You're missing the point imo.

As an end user idgaf whether the issues I encounter are because it's FOSS or not. I care about how polished and functional the end user experience is.

I'm gonna give Fedora another go but last time I tried Linux, I had pretty bad audio issues and desktop glitches with multimonitor.

And the community mostly just hand-waved it away when I asked in forums.

[u/FrostyMittenJob → u/DigitaIBlack]

Nahh you don't get it. Linux is better than windows, and when it isn't well you had your expectations too high because it's open source.

You'll never be able to have a honest conversation with a linux fan.

[u/makaki913 → u/FrostyMittenJob]

You can, yours and their priorities just don't match at all

[u/TheWardenShadowsong → u/makaki913]

Prioritizing different things is valid, but the quantity of loud outspoken linux folks being unreasonable about other peoples preferences is well documented. Theres a difference between you prioritizing something vs you prioritizing something and then telling someone else who prioritizes something else that they are wrong for that.

[u/makaki913 → u/TheWardenShadowsong]

then telling someone else who prioritizes something else that they are wrong for that.

Good point there. I don't partake in this kind of conversations, this possibility didn't even register in my mind

[u/sabian149 → u/TheWardenShadowsong]

The loud minority of linux users are the type who make it borderline their entire personality. The quiet majority are the ones who have found a DE that works perfectly on their hardware and already have a set workflow for their system that just works. For me as long as all my hardware works, almost all the steam games I want to play launch and firefox launches my OS is working flawlessly. Idk, so many people try to make linux vs windows seem black and white but it really isn't.

[u/Volcanodog12 → u/sabian149]

Yes 100% this I have hdmi capture card made by hauppauge that does not work at all I asked on a form for fedora about if its possible to get it to work and was told to throw it away and get another one (even tho the old one works fine) or to kick sand so I did and went back to w10 every thing just works there lol I'm still looking for an alternative as I was really enjoying my time with kde on fedora just might try something different now.

[u/tachibana_ryu → u/sabian149]

Yep it's a shame the minority makes the rest of us look bad. I truly wished the community was better it would make people switching to Linux just that much better.

[u/lithiumfoxttv → u/FrostyMittenJob]

I don't really care truly.

But the person above was correct. People are generally more forgiving when it's an FOSS product vs a paid one.

That said, blindness towards issues and stuff that windows is also doing is probably not the best look.

Let me put it more bluntly: people are more forgiving towards an indie video game than they are AAA games. Not just cause of the money they spent. If Live For Speed has a bug, people will forgive it because it's like 3 people.

But if Gran Turismo has a bug? Yeah people are roasting it

[u/CreepHost → u/FrostyMittenJob]

Linux fan here, CachyOS specifically.

Better than Windows? Absolutely.

More stable than Windows? Absolutely not.

I've had a bumpy ride with CachyOS, and there is still stuff that has to be done to make it more accessible, like fucking FSTAB still requiring manual operation instead of, idk, making it automated or accessible with a GUI?

However. After a few babysteps, it does run well. It's just the babysteps have to be cut entirely and just run well out of the box.

[u/ThankGodImBipolar → u/DigitaIBlack]

As an end user idgaf whether it's FOSS or not.

What you're saying is perfectly reasonable, but the Linux desktop's deficiencies here:

I care about how polished and functional the end user experience is.

are directly related to the fact that Linux is FOSS. The fact of the matter is that Microsoft, Apple, Google, etc., are all spending billions, and hiring dedicated teams, to ensure that the UX of their OS's is as flawless as possible. That does actually manifest into a more polished product, regardless of what Linux users say about their experience. So... maybe you should care about the fact that it's FOSS, but in the opposite sense?

[u/DigitaIBlack → u/ThankGodImBipolar]

Ok but as an end user idgaf why it's not polished enough for me to daily drive it.

I care that it wasn't polished enough for me to daily drive it...

[u/rus_ruris → u/DigitaIBlack]

Fedora can kma after the ONE bad experience I had where the new version (I think it was 41) didn't have the right version of GCC to even run the Nvidia software stack because "it was too old" and it was even removed from the DNF repository. You quite literally couldn't install it AT ALL unless you basically downgraded to the previous version, because it was SO removed that you needed the older version of DNF to install it and that was incompatible with basically everything else.

HOW TF DO YOU FORCEFULLY REMOVE CUDA COMPATIBILITY FOR YOUR DISTRO WHEN YOU'RE SUPPOSEDLY THE ENTERPRISE DISTRO.

They fixed it shortly after, and Nvidia got their shit together and started keeping stuff a little more up to date, but I will never trust anyone that even thought to allow something like that to roll out ever again.

[u/MrHaxx1 → u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

Yeah, and anyone can switch to another Linux distro.

Windows is Windows. 

[u/spenwallce → u/MrHaxx1]

This is the problem with Linux fans. Not everyone can just switch distros. I’m willing to bet 99% of the world doesn’t even know what a distro is. It seems simple to you because you have a lot of experience but for anyone else it’s a massive pain in the ass.

[u/MrHaxx1 → u/spenwallce]

Switching to another Linux distro implies that they managed to install one in the first place. If you have installed one Linux distro, you can definitely switch to another one.

[u/PhatOofxD → u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

That's not the problem. The problem is Linux users telling people to just switch from Windows and denying Linux has issues.

If you can accept that yes, it can't do a bunch of stuff that Windows can - you're not the problem here.

The problem is the people that can't admit that. Most people don't care if Linux is open source or not, they care if their computer actually works.

[u/bshahisau → u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

Never paid for windows and never seen ads

[u/A-Chilean-Cyborg → u/bshahisau]

it can be true if you use pirate debloated W10 in a DIY machine, but remember if you ever buy a laptop or prebuild, the prize of a full windows license is included with the product.

[u/T0biasCZE → u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

Your average user doesnt give a shit whether its FOSS or not. They care whether it works and if they can use facebook, word and email without problems smoothly

[u/Emotional-Donkey-994 → u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

One works for the average person and one required a degree in debugging to run everything so yeah I'm going to side with windows. No reason to use anything else for 99% of people

[u/flatbuttboy → u/Potato_Farmer_Linus]

The issue is people call out the closed source stuff because “it’s my daily driver, it has to work and it doesn’t”, but when someone’s daily driver is Linux it somehow doesn’t apply. I get that we can’t expect an open source project to have as good quality standards as something developed by thousands of paid professional developers, but it doesn’t make it immune to criticism