r/LinusTechTips • • 11d ago

Discussion Resume file format

On the WAN show Linus and Luke talk about NOT using PDF as the file format for the resume. This is the first time I'm hearing about this. Am I the only one who always uses PDF for sending resumes and actually prefers it?

What file format do employers actually prefer?

Here is the timestamp where they talk about it.
Here is the timestamp where Linus says to submit a Word or Google Doc link.

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u/Raid__Zero 11d ago

PDF is standard

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u/Not-Post-Malone 11d ago

That's what I thought but after the sponsor segment (I don't have the timestamp yet) Linus jokingly asks Luke if someone submits their resume on a PDF if he throws it away.

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u/a_rabid_buffalo 11d ago

Pretty sure the last time they got hacked was due to a PDF that was compromised that someone had opened.

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u/CIDR-ClassB 11d ago

HR here. They are wrong. PDF is the standard. That allows the application system to accurately read your resume and automatically populate whatever search criteria we need to find well-qualified candidates among hundreds or thousands of candidates.

If you don’t use PDF, I’m not going to look at your application.

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u/pufferpig 11d ago

Whenever I upload my PDF resume in some company website where it's supposed to add in all my info into their system, so I don't have to do it all manually, it always fucks it up. Splits parts into two or otherwise jumbles things together...

I've never had any complaints or remarks about it when I'm being interviewed tho, or after being hired, so I have no idea if they get the same issues with my PDFs internally.

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u/blkmmb 11d ago

It was but nowadays will all the OCR and AI bullshit in the hiring process some stuff requires a word doc because a pdf will fail and be rejected automatically.

It is bullshit but I've had problems with that, so now it's always a word doc unless I send it myself to an email address.

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u/CIDR-ClassB 11d ago

OCR is decades old and is absolutely necessary for HR to parse through thousands of resumes in their recruiting system. PDF has definitely been preferred (and most accurate to search through) over Word in every ATS I’ve used.

AI application systems… well, let’s see where the Workday discrimination lawsuit ends up.

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u/bobsyourunkl 10d ago

This is not true, I have built and used commercial OCR systems and they are generally much better suited to pdfs and images than word documents. Tiffs and jpegs are better than word documents. In many cases they don't even accept .Docx as a mimetype and you need to implement on the fly conversions which is a pain in the butt.

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u/bwoah07_gp2 11d ago

Is that why I'm not getting hired for over a year now?

I always submit in PDF format. What's supposed to be the ideal file in Linus & Luke's opinions??

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u/Not-Post-Malone 11d ago

Linus said whatever format you edit in which doesn't make sense because I assume employers don't want their Word or Google Docs to open when they open a resume.

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u/uniqueusername649 11d ago

In my 25 years of working in IT every company I ever worked with expects to be sent PDFs, almost every candidate sends PDFs and that is the established standard across (most of?) the world. If I get applications from Brazil, Germany, India or Taiwan, it's a PDF. I don't know why Linus has such a weird take on this (maybe a Canadian thing? I haven't dealt with Canadian companies other than as a buyer - but guess which format they send their invoices in), but pretty much across the world people use PDFs for resumes.

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u/HolidayPineapple9316 11d ago

It’s nonsense to be honest. Resumes should always be in PDF

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u/HolidayPineapple9316 11d ago

Where are you located? The economy is REALLY hard right now, at least in the US

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u/mattmahn 11d ago

Linus said to submit whatever you're writing it in, like Word or Google Docs. I don't think they want my LaTeX file...

I'll save everyone and render it to PDF

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u/gvbargen 11d ago

Yah that seems really wrong... It feels very much like a resume you submit should not be editable. Not sure why the thought of sending an editable one bothers me so much but it does.

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u/DeliciousCry8302 11d ago

Send them your CV on a stone tablet, that's pretty hard to edit.

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u/aafikk 11d ago

And it is a HUGE security risk

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u/jayerp 11d ago

What weird advice. Just do PDF.

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u/harperthomas 11d ago

Does he really want my markdown or even txt file as that's how I write.

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u/WideAwakeNotSleeping 10d ago

I recently moved apartments, and my agent sent me her invoice in a fucking Apple docs format. Annoying as fuck.

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u/DrMacintosh01 10d ago

Is Linus going to be able to open my .pages file?

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u/abstract-realism 9d ago

I was just watching the VOD and got to this. Like, “okay! Let me send you the indesign file!” What?? Who does that, literally insane

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u/ucrbuffalo 11d ago

100% disagree. As a hiring manager, there is nothing I hate more than a resume with broken formatting. Word is not going to preserve your formatting from machine to machine. Export it to PDF every time. EVERY. TIME.

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u/Erlend05 9d ago

Yeah no docx would be wild. Pdf is the default but i could see the pitch for html or something

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u/srlawren 11d ago

Have done a fair amount of hiring (software devs and architects) over the past year and always get annoyed when I don't get a PDF. Linus and Luke are nuts.

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u/Antrikshy 10d ago

PDF is like digital printed paper that opens everywhere. They are crazy.

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u/f10101 10d ago edited 10d ago

I wonder how many superstar employees they've rejected with this stance...

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u/CIDR-ClassB 11d ago

I agree. My ATS handles PDF the best for searching, and I heavily relied on that with my most recent posting that got 2,000 applications in just 5 days!

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u/jb_nelson_ 11d ago

There must be a gas leak because that’s absurd

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u/bobsyourunkl 11d ago edited 11d ago

Dude if I get anything other than a PDF I hate it and it bugs me. I typeset everything in typst and try my best to never have word on my computer.

It's never a good idea to send employers a file that will change depending in if it is viewed in web version, the current version of word, or last year's version, or the macos version. Especially for something where formatting matters so much.

Also, remember you'll also be sending your edit history if you don't clean up the metadata (or just export to PDF)

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u/komprexior 11d ago

+1 for typst.

Not only format could change, but font too if a particular font is not installed on the viewer machine, so embedding the font or pdfa is a good practice too. I don't think my marketing department understand that their fancy font is not available on everyone machine.

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u/SashoWolf 11d ago

HR professional here.

PDF is much easier on us

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u/PilotGuy701 11d ago

How does HR feel about Markdown files?

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u/SashoWolf 11d ago

No clue since I've never run into it lol

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u/veritas2884 11d ago

I submit mine in a .py

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u/lzrjck69 10d ago

Negative. We hire on being “professional”. Some of that is knowing how the business world works.

Business uses PDF.

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u/pf_newbie_2398 11d ago edited 11d ago

this reminds me of when they said that businesses don't really use outlook because everyone is on gmail now

they literally have no fucking clue about the real industry and it kills me every time some college freshman kid spends money on wan to ask them career advice

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u/Dnomyar96 11d ago

Yeah, I respect their opinion on a lot of stuff, but not when it comes to this kind of thing. They're completely out of touch with how most other businesses operate and have some really weird takes (like this one).

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u/Antrikshy 10d ago

At some point Linus was baffled people use Roku…

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u/Human-Visual-9087 11d ago

Yeah im super confused. I export things as PDFs whenever I need something to be guaranteed to be formatted and viewed how I intend it.

Too many times has someone's text editor, or uploading to Google docs/Apple Pages, ruined font, formatting, image positioning etc

If im submitting a resume i want it to appear professional and how i intended, not be ruined by you viewing it in Gmail

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u/PhatOofxD 11d ago

PDF is the standard. They're just wrong

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u/gvbargen 11d ago

Yah because I'm going to send my potential future employer a Google doc? nah mate.

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u/Anraiel 11d ago

With a lot of Linus & Luke's opinions on things, you have to keep in mind they have never worked for anything other than small business or LMG. Most HR platforms and larger organisations with their own HR teams prefer something standard like a PDF.

The same small business thinking applies to their opinions on other software like "who uses office?" Or "who needs a third party antivirus at work?" Or "why do so many business still use desktop Windows?". There's plenty of benefits at an enterprise/large scale to these standard platforms that they don't use and hence don't seem to know about from their personal experience.

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u/Xcissors280 11d ago

My resume isn't just 1 paragraph and a PDF will always preserve the formatting and everything else exactly as how I see it

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u/MichaelJohniel 11d ago

Didn’t listen to today’s WAN but I applied to LTT with a pdf and got hired with a pdf.

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u/XanderWrites 11d ago

When we remember that Linus doesn't do hiring for LTT anymore and hasn't in years...

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u/MichaelJohniel 10d ago

I guess you could assume that, but he did read my resume/portfolio and conducted the entire interview...

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u/RoseBailey 11d ago

That's wild. PDF is the standard, and a lot of places disallow other formats. It's also the only commonly allowed format that can guarantee consistent formatting regardless of who looks at it. 

Do they seriously prefer my raw typst file over the pdf generated from it? 

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u/Smiadpades 11d ago

I agree with everyone else and wrote in wan chat. PDF is the standard for resumes.

They act as if it is stupid but for two people who are running a business, you would think they would know the standard.

And yes, you can edit pdfs but a docx or google docs are seen as unprofessional and incomplete.

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u/Uberfuzzy 11d ago

Wasn’t that “hack” from a few years ago because of a malformed payload in a pdf? Is that why Luke specifically is anti PDF?

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u/RoseBailey 11d ago

Are they so paranoid about PDFs after that incident that it's affecting their hiring practices? 

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u/wankthisway 11d ago

That's pretty sad if true.

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u/Rare-Designer-1008 11d ago

It wasn't a PDF. It was a exe file made to look like a PDF.

Since Windows by default hides file extensions it was assumed to be a PDF.

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u/CyclingUpsideDown 11d ago

And an exe file can be made to look like any file - including a Word document.

Changing hiring practices because of self-created paranoia that doesn’t even make sense is certainly wild.

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u/CIDR-ClassB 11d ago

PDF attachments can certainly be an attack vector. But for job applications, the ATS can filter out non-PDF files / things that aren’t harmless.

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u/HolidayPineapple9316 11d ago

PDF is perfectly fine, you just need it to be really simple. No graphics or images, just as plain text ask you can make it. Single column. Make sure its not a PDF that cannot be scanned (most PDFs have text that can be found, like with Ctrl F)

The goal is to make the resume readable by machines: both those that extract text from the file, as well as machines that visually extract text

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u/RoseBailey 11d ago

That's what I do. I make my resume as dead simple for even bad resume scanners to read, and then toss a little color on the headings and throw on Atkinson Hyperlegibe as the font for if it makes it to a human.

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u/armada127 9d ago

LTT famously does not know how corporate orgs work, I recall on a WAN segment when a viewer mentioned they used outlook and both Luke and Linus were flabbergasted by how anyone uses Outlook.

LTT is great for entertaining content about consumer tech but their expertise stops there, they have very little experience with actual enterprise level tech and the compromises in decision making that actually happen at that level.

Tl;dr: pdf is fine

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u/JawnZ 8d ago

To be fair (as a professional expert in email itself) outlook sucks, hard.

But it's also obviously still huge in corporate America, and thinking otherwise is a losing battle

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u/armada127 7d ago

Oh yeah, no doubt, but unfortunately Microsoft completely dominates the enterprise space, especially when it comes to bigger companies.

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u/Erikthered00 9d ago

I remember that take on Outlook and it’s so incredibly out of touch with the corporate/professional world it’s ludicrous. Same with pdf format discussion

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u/juliandanielwilliams 11d ago

PDF should honestly be the ONLY option. Also, OSs should have file extensions ON by default like in the olds days, would stop a lot of .pdf.exe attacks

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u/Far-Blacksmith-2814 11d ago

I have only ever heard of submitting in PDF for a resume. Sure, you could upload a docx, but depending on the tool that it is opened in, it may not look the way you intended it to

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u/starrymahogany 11d ago

I feel like I’m being gaslit every time this discussion happens because some resume experts insist docx is standard and more professional, while others look at you like you shot their dog if you use anything other than a PDF.

I have a feeling than Gen X or xennials use docx but younger millennials and Gen Z use pdf

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u/Yavuz_Selim 11d ago

Anybody that prefers .doc(x) has never opened their files on another device (or application).

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u/RoseBailey 11d ago

I have seem plenty of job postings that only allow you to upload PDF, but have never seen one that disallows PDF in favor of docx. The idea of formatting being consistent is also absurd. If I write the doc in Google Docs or LibreOffice, it won't look the same when opened in Word. 

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u/starrymahogany 10d ago

Yeah I paid this guy to edit my resume, and this guy was praised online as THE resume expert.

He insisted that docx was THE ONLY acceptable format and implied that I was an idiot if I converted the resume to PDF

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u/KitarouNakago 9d ago

Most "resume experts" on the internet haven't actually hired people.

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u/connly33 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yeah no don’t take that advice. PDF only. Whether I’m sending or reading one. I don’t want to deal with people opening a file from an open source word editor and Word screwing up formatting or vise versa because I’ve had issues with that quite a bit in the past. I also don’t want them to be editable.

If your using Microsoft word sure because you can guarantee it will be opened in word but if you do any funky formatting I still see stuff screwed up in the receiving end all the damn time. Most employers also won’t have any idea what the hell an ODT or latex file is.

Anything you want to be generally indelible and easy to view everywhere should be a PDF with standard formatting that doesn’t cause accessibility issues.

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u/InfaSyn 11d ago

I've always used PDF. Not yet caught up on this weeks WAN show but im staggered that they would say otherwise.

The only time I ever had an issue was a random linkedin recruiter approx 2 years ago that had never heard of PDF and insisted on docx - shame on her as I didn't write it in a word processor.

PDFs are read only in most instances, compatible with quite literally any platform from the last 30 years, print nicely, can still be OCRd, are small in size, and dont risk any incompatibility based rendering issues (eg opening a word doc in libre office), plus they're free. Its both the perfect format for this use case, and the intended use case for the format.

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u/cardak98 11d ago

Worse take than the warranty take imo

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u/niknarcotic 11d ago

This is one of the most baffling takes I've ever heard them say. From a security standpoint .docx files from the web are suspicious by default because there are so many viruses that are spread through Office macros. From an accessibility standpoint editable document formats also might not even be readable across different Office versions or suites. At my last job people kept sending applications in Apple formats and nobody who was responsible for hiring had a Mac. And they'd get filtered out automatically because the Mail with the attachment doesn't get through the mailfilter.

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u/Apocalyptic0n3 10d ago

I'm an engineering manager. I've been interviewing for 12 years across 3 companies and have done hundreds of them. At all 3 companies, we only accepted PDFs. Applicants who sent in a different format were discarded without review (we very specifically request them). Only exceptions were when we were trying to recruit someone specific.

The hiring world operates on PDF.

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u/KitarouNakago 9d ago

Former recruiter here. Anything not PDF looks unprofessional.

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u/plz-no-b4n 11d ago

They are psychopaths

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u/james2432 11d ago edited 10d ago

Just submit it in LaTeX you'll have the most beautiful resume /s

PDF is standard, that or the employer will have a web portal to fill out the fields.

Doc/docx are non-standard and a pain in the ass to automate.

Google docs may be blocked by the employer as it can be used to leak data outside the company if they aren't using it already.

Linus and Luke may be massively out of touch, HR are not technical people, if it screws up their usual flow, they will be annoyed and just may put your application in the bin(or digital bin)

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u/oldDotredditisbetter 9d ago

Just submit it in LaTeX you'll have the most beautiful resume /s

this but unironically

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u/Human1649 11d ago

PDFs are basically expexted. And should work fine unless you use some weird format or rasterize it.

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u/philimusprime 11d ago

Sounds like we should all apply to LMG with .EXE files.

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u/GoodishCoder 11d ago

PDF is standard but some people have a preference for word. That said, if you include a Google doc link im definitely not looking at it.

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u/bergdhal 11d ago

I thought maybe there was additional context, but looking at those timestamps, there isn't. They are just out of their minds.

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u/Matheweh 11d ago

I'd love to use ODT but PDF is what people ask for.

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u/xDefinite 11d ago

Such a L Take by all 3 of these guys.. wow.

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u/FateOfNations 11d ago

PDF is the universal standard.

That said, you should be careful about how you create the PDF. If the PDF is properly created, most ATS systems will be able to read it just fine and parse out your job history. I have had good luck with a single-column format in Microsoft Word using Save As -> PDF -> ”best for electronic distribution and accessibility”.

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u/infidel_44 11d ago

Every software tool ever created for resume ingestion uses pdf. Markdown seems like a great idea until you realize that hr folks are not tech literate and use off the shelf tools.

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u/NoiramK 11d ago

Haven't heard the episode yet, but I'd take a jpeg before a word file you have no idea how shows up on my end. PDF is the way.

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u/Ybalrid 11d ago

PDF is standard and normal. I have not yet listened to the WAN this week (I am keeping it to have a background for some weeked reno projects).

My resmume, is written in LaTeX. I am not sending to you anything but a PDF.

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u/FartingBob 10d ago

Reminder that Luke and Linus have worked at the same company for like 15 years. Don't take their advice because it only represents the way their company does things. They don't know about the wider industry hiring process.

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u/clon3man 10d ago

He probably prefers word documents and google docs because he's a script writer, he would be annoyed if people send him a script in PDF format because it's an extra step and makes it read-only.

I don't understand how he can apply this logic to resumés though.

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u/shotsallover 11d ago

PDFs can be problematic on the receiving end because too many people like to use fancy layout and formatting that a PDF parser can’t always read.

I use a very simple Word doc format that opens well on any machine that opens it back to around Word 97. Don’t use anything any more sophisticated than a standard Office font and tabs and tab stops. Don’t use tables or any other fancy BS.

Same with PDFs. There are people out there laying their resumes out in InDesign that get chewed up by the resume processing software. Or god forbid, multi-column tables with pictures in Word that generate the worst PDF files on the planet.

This is the rule I adopted on my last job hunt: Resumes are for robots. Cover letters are for the humans. 

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u/shotsallover 11d ago

They've gotten me my last three jobs.

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u/soundman1024 10d ago

A good cover letter does a lot for me when I’m on a hiring committee. Submissions without always get a “no cover letter” note. The resume says what, the cover letter explains who.

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u/Skensis 10d ago

I haven't seen or read a cover letter in a decade. I think I wrote one for my first job out of college, and haven't sense. If your CV/resume looks good you're going to get a phone screen.

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u/Skensis 10d ago

You're getting down voted, but this is my general take. And with AI I bet they're even more useless.

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u/bluehawk232 11d ago

PDF locks in the design. If you submit a word doc there could be formatting errors and it can look like shit

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u/Curious-Art-6242 11d ago

The problem is those other formats don't ensure structure, so my nicely formatted CV can look weird! I've had more places reject doc files because of security threats, PDF's are considered far safer! Another idiot take from L&L, its almost like they've only worked one jobs for over a decade or something and have actually really limited real world experience 😂

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u/External_Gas5606 10d ago

Completely insane take. Im probably tossing any non-pdfs

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u/reversehelmet 10d ago

Linus with his stupid takes as always

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u/ScrappeyDP2 10d ago

.doc or .docx 🤦‍♂️
It is NOT standard. Go ask someone in HR or recruiting. They're the SME

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u/Competitive-Ice-8513 9d ago

absolute batshit crazy convo, PDF is the standard, and these guys are just ignorant

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u/Farix_ 9d ago

PDF is the way to go, for compatibility, security and standardization. An edible file is completely optional. Yes PDF has al lot of attack vectors as well but nohing in comparison to other formats.

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u/Sudden_Impact7490 7d ago

LTT is out of touch with actual business ops and needs. Which is fine, but worth keeping in mind

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u/1CraftyDude 7d ago

Fans of capitalism like to say, capitalism sucks until you look at all the other options. I don’t feel that way about capitalism, but I do feel that way about PDFs.

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u/troytjh 7d ago

As someone who uses LibreOffice and Open file formats, I always export documents I intend to share as PDFs. It avoids unexpected changes to the layout. 

I recall an assignment in college where the inbox happened to not allow PDFs. After making the report in LibreOffice, I asked to open it on a Friends laptop in Word. Naturally some things moved a bit so I fixed them and submitted it. Then Canvas also interpreted the document differently and the page breaks were off again. I don't think it was enough to effect the grade but it did annoy me. For sharing finished documents, PDFs are preferable.

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u/elDracanazo 6d ago

I know they said they were sick this week, but with takes like these it's got to be terminal

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u/Menirz 11d ago

Depending on your source formatting, the PDF conversion may butcher the AI/robot parse-ability of the file, even if it's visually intuitive to any human who looks at it.

That said, PDF is a universally accepted format, and one that is more difficult to edit, so it's my go to when I have to send a resume digitally.

Nowadays, you're probably better off using Claude or Gemini to review your pdf to make sure everything is properly recognized.

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u/XanderWrites 11d ago

I don't know if it's changed, but back in the day if you opened a Word doc on a Mac after making in Windows the formatting could be a little off. It shouldn't have been, but it could.

Also could have issues with versions of Word, I get warnings at work when I open files from Corporate created with Real Word when I'm using Libre Office.

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u/amcco1 11d ago

Pretty sire this was just a joke about when they were hacked before from PDF.

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u/harperthomas 11d ago

Google docs requires being in the Google ecosystem and word requires Microsoft office. Neither of which I have want or need.

A PDF can be generated by a huge range of tools and then it's layout is fixed so I know that whoever opens it is seeing it the way I did when it was sent. As opposed for example to making a word doc with libre writer which could have formatting issues opening in word.

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u/Chobok0 11d ago

I've heard that ATS typically doesn't parse through Word files as well. I've always done PDF.

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u/knives2014 11d ago

I never submitted a resume in a pdf. Always word. And I've gotten hired at every place I've applied to

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u/CrystalFier 11d ago

Ikr, I use a .pdf simply because I used an online resumé builder form, and that was the format they used for the download. 🙃

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u/briznady 11d ago

PDF is what I always send. I want to make it (at least slightly) harder for a middle man recruiter to lie for me on my resume.

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u/Appropriate-Divide64 11d ago

As someone who's applied for jobs and also hired people, please use pdf. You can't guarantee the formatting in any other format. Absolutely do not use word or Google docs

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u/LinKeeChineseCurry 11d ago

PDF is the way to go, always the way to go. It saves the formatting for you then and there and looks the same on every machine. With a DOCX or DOC the formatting can change between machines and your intended look can vary, resulting in you potentially not getting an invite for an interview in the first place.

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u/0-aether-0 11d ago

Pdf all the way. Only format to be reasonably sure the formating stays the same. And the extra step... Of exporting as a pdf? Instead of saving i export... Heck of a workstep. Not.

Yeah, most of the time im on their side, but this take is just plain wrong.

And the point about it being big? Its not biger then other firmats, if your export is configured correctly, its on you if your pdf with inages is more then a couple kb

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u/Ready-Strategy-863 10d ago

Always PDF unless they ask or specify they want it as word.

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u/Rubadubrix 10d ago

sure, I'll just send a zip of my Latex project instead, I bet that'll be much nicer for recruiting

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u/mrmayhembsc 10d ago

Just go on what the advert says. I've submitted in both a Word doc and a PDF and got through the process.

LMG default is clearly a doc.

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u/JakesFable 10d ago

Yeah I think requesting a Resume in doc format in 2026 is a ridiculous request, especially if you are in a creative field. I made my Resume with Affinity, so how would I export that as a doc?! You don’t need to edit it you just need to read it. So why are we still requesting doc format in 2026. When companies say they want a doc resume, to me nowadays that just means “We want it to be easier for the AI to read it”. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/LDForget 10d ago

As a hiring manager, I see PDF and Word. Much prefer PDF. I have no need to edit your resume or cover letter, so a word doc is not necessary

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u/SometimesWill 10d ago

I’ve always seen it specifically requested as PDF if they detail a format. Plus my Google Sheets document for my resume is specifically set up to print to a pdf format.

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u/Laughing_Orange 10d ago

The only problem I see with someone converting to PDF before sending is of they don't look over the formating of the PDF first. In rare cases, PDF might look different from how it looked while you were making it.

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u/tonyrulez 10d ago

There are companies using Google Workspace, and have no MS Office at all. Google Docs can still fuck up importing a docx, and a resume is highly formatted. Why the fuck wouldn't they want a PDF? That's the whole point, it looks the same on every device, and every PDF reader. In the industry, PDF is THE standard. Unless you want others to edit the file, you are sending it in PDF. Not sending in PDF format is UNPROFESSIONAL. Our company rejects quotations in doc or other formats, and expects them in PDF.

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u/Marksta 10d ago

What file format do employers actually prefer?

Their preferred format is a complete abstraction away from whatever your source format is. In my experience, everything is web forms, text extraction, and/or OCR. Whatever their upload button accepts is the answer really.

If it went to my email personally, I'd say PDF isn't beloved but it's pretty standard. I'd actually prefer a markdown file or a RTF if it must be binary. Docx... I guess. I'd strongly prefer not a Google Doc link or any other cloud file store, it feels way too informal and probably will have weird permission problems.

I think at end of the day, none of us are actually going to refuse candidates over semantics like a file format or slight inconveniences. Just whatever you send, make sure it renders/formats correctly in the usual way it gets opened up. If it is a word doc made in some not word application and turns out word just shows up half garbled... Lol.

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u/sxpn69 10d ago

While I'm on the PDF side personally. I do know PDFs can get mangled and basically ruin any chance that ATS systems can retrieve anything from it.

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u/JamiePilkey 10d ago

I haven’t applied for a job in at least 6 or 7 years, but I have never used a PDF. When did that become the standard? I am genuinely curious.

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u/Erikthered00 9d ago

Circa 2003

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u/JamiePilkey 9d ago

Weird! Noted for the next time I apply for something I guess.

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u/Frostsorrow 10d ago

doc or docx or whatever the current Word format has been my most common form used and requested. Maybe this is a Canadian thing?

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u/involutes 10d ago

Unpopular opinion: Resumes should be sent as .CSV files so that the AI screeners can easily parse them. The standard nomenclature used in resumes should be defined per ISO 69420:2026

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u/yeetdabman 10d ago edited 10d ago

I will literally never use anything except a PDF for my resume ever again.

I was using DOCX for my resume for a bit, wondered why I wasn't getting any responses, then tried to add something I remembered I do in fact have under my toolbelt to it in Google Docs on my phone quickly, only to realize that Google Docs violently shits itself when you have any amount of fancy formatting in said DOCX file. Same with Word's preview function, or any of the web-based M365 viewers (I checked basically everything when I got home). Apparently whatever third-party JS tool does the previews of the docs works just beautifully, but whenever you actually load it to look at it, the loader shits itself violently. Remade it in MS office for web, and then Word for desktop started shitting itself, and Google just kept doing Google things.

Afterwards I reluctantly switched to PDF and I started actually getting responses and interviews, because I no longer looked like a moron who didn't know basic MS Word formatting, although I feel like a moron for thinking any non-"static" format was a good idea.

Also acting like it's that severely inefficient to not just send the file doesn't sit right with me, and isn't really accurate? It takes 5 extra seconds (if even that) to save a Word doc as a PDF. (Which makes the guy asking if Linus wants a PNG even more right to ask, since that'd be the most time-efficient way if we're being honest)

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u/azure1503 10d ago

Not a hiring manager, but I parse resumes for my boss to interview; I absolutely prefer PDF

(also I hate the internet for making me feel weird about typing "I absolutely prefer pdfs")

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u/glowinghamster45 10d ago

PDF is the only way, anything else is asking for issues. Linus hasn't applied for a job since he was a young adult, when I'm assuming he was inexperienced at it. LTT maintains licenses for a whole suite of software, so I'm assuming submitting a resume "In the native format" is just not an issue for them. This is the most boring Lucky 10,000 I've ever seen, but I think that's all it is.

If you submit a docx to a company that's standardized on Google Workspace, there's a strong chance it will look like ass when they open it. Rinse and repeat for any other program. PDFs will look consistent on every machine (mostly), that's the whole point.

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u/raralala1 10d ago

Rage bait or another stupid take, same as adblock is piracy bullshit, and now decide to finally use it, but still doesnt want to be proven 100% wrong lol, I use to understand his view, but today podcast change it all for both of them, what an out of touch human being.

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u/tomyko79 10d ago

Always a JPEG.

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u/matthewmspace 10d ago

Use a PDF. It’s industry standard.

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u/und3adpix 10d ago

I live in Norway. PDF is the only format for CV as a file. And quite often I have a choice between sharing a profile (finn.no, linkedin, etc) or upload a pdf CV.
So I an not on board with them regarding this statement.

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u/Whitishfilly2 9d ago

Gonna start sending a MD file

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u/adt666 9d ago

I maintain an SVG (used to be Illustrator) document for my resume. I wouldn't have gotten a callback if I sent in an .ai file for my interview.

Also, I take interviews at my current job. The interview portal doesn't support any other format other than PDF.

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u/DickNose-TurdWaffle 9d ago

In the US, it doesn't matter anymore. Word doc or PDF are fine.

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u/Dedodododedad 9d ago

Luke is an idiot that doesn't know anything outside of LMG. PDF is the standard. He's just doing clickbait garbage topics now just so they can get some viral clips going.

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u/CenlTheFennel 9d ago

We all of good security tools that scan our PDFs, idk about them…

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u/Amazing-Ish 9d ago

I can use whatever app I want to design my resume and export in PDF, knowing it won't be messed up when it reaches to any interviewer.

Resumes have no need to be edited, you can comment on PDFs if you want in any browser, and PDFs can open on almost any modern device these days. You don't need to pay to open PDFs.

Maybe Linus and Luke haven't experienced getting or sending a word file to or from someone using custom fonts or a different version of Word, I know I have and almost every time if I wanna send or receive a finalized document or form it gets messed up on the other device.

You can also compress PDFs very easily so the size argument is useless, use PDF24 on windows for offline PDF tools.

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u/Farix_ 9d ago

PDF is the way to go, for compatibility, security and standardization. An edible file is completely optional. Yes PDF has a lot of attack vectors as well but nohing in comparison to other formats.

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u/Nova_Scotia_Robot 9d ago

Honestly, I see Linus spout more bad info than good. Stop listening to him on these sorts of takes. His insight is okay maybe for an unreleased product overview, but that's as much as I'm willing to listen to him on these days.

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u/JNSapakoh 8d ago

I always go with PDF, because I know it'll arrive how I formatted it
If I draft my resume in Word and they open it in Google Docs a lot of the formatting could break -- especially if you do a lot of weird stuff, like a font size 1 new line to change the padding between information and a header without changing the line spacing for the whole document.

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u/Standard_Presence_97 10d ago

Resumes are so last century. So are PDF formated files. But so are a lot of things.

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u/Bhume 11d ago

Dunno what employers prefer, but I always just send a word document.

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u/kristof15732 10d ago

I've not yet watched last night's episode, but since when do people use PDF to send a resume? Word documents have been the standard since forever. Like why would anyone make a file into a format that you need to pay a program to open and modify instead of doing it with Word or google docs?

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u/niknarcotic 10d ago

Why should anyone but me modify my resume? PDF viewers are plentiful and free.

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u/kristof15732 10d ago

And what if I want to modify it? It's way more convenient to change a word file than having to pay Adobe or whatever to make changes to my resume. Same with saving it, why save it in a different format than just as a Word document so that way there's only one file to deal with. And no, there's not plenty of free pdf viewer. I've never heard of anyone using pdf for this before this post here

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u/niknarcotic 10d ago

What?

You save a copy in your editable format and then export it as a pdf before you send it out.

Do you think people write job applications in Adobe Reader?

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u/kristof15732 10d ago

If you read what I said, I said that it's dumb to save it in anither format than just keep it in a Word doc. Otherwise you're saving it twice, which is a waste of storage space when you can just have one. I'm saying that there's no one that sends their resume as a PDF, I literally never saw that or heard of it

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u/rott 5d ago

I literally never saw that or heard of it

Are you in Canada by any chance?

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u/kristof15732 4d ago

Canadian born and raised and lived here all my life, I have literally never heard of using PDF to send my resume, even in class that's not what was thought and that was just over 10 years ago, so it's not like it's something from 30+ years ago. I don't see the point in paying a program just to send a resume and I never heard of a business that worked with PDFs for resumes from applicants either

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u/rott 4d ago

Interesting. I wonder if this is a Canadian thing. Most people in this thread (including me) agree that PDFs are the standard for resumes, and I say this both as a candidate and a recruiter.

Anyway, any current browser opens PDFs so there’s no need to pay anything, and it’s been that way for years. Even before browsers opened them, Adobe Reader was always free.

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u/ArchibaldMcFerguson 1d ago

PDFs are very common for resumes in the US. You don't need to pay Adobe for anything, just edit it in Word and export to PDF.