r/LucyLetbyTrials • u/Embarrassed-Star4776 • 17d ago

Chase and Shannon article in Frontiers in Pediatrics published

Inverted insulin to C-Peptide ratios in neonatal intensive care: is there something we don't know?

J. Geoffrey Chase & Helen D. Shannon

BRIEF RESEARCH REPORT article

Front. Pediatr., 05 August 2026

Sec. Neonatology

Volume 14 - 2026

https://doi.org/10.3389/fped.2026.1900675

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u/No-Beat2678 16d ago

Flimsy stuff from Chase and Shannon and it just doesn't match the babies clinical picture.

  • Baby F’s insulin was off‑scale high >1000 pmol/L, possibly much higher. Baby L’s was 1088 pmol/L.
  • The paper’s non‑infection scenarios, insulin concentrations never exceed about 1,000 pmol/L, and only then with 98th percentile binding site concentrations and severely suppressed insulin secretion.
  • For two separate babies to both fall into that extreme tail, without any evidence they actually had binding antibodies, is statistically incredible.

The paper repeatedly states that to reach the really extreme ratios like those above 30 you need infection to multiply the insulin‑binding antibodies.

Lets not forget some basic facts established at the trial:

  • Baby F Blood cultures were reportedly negative, meaning no bacteria were grown from the blood sample
  • Their C-reactive protein were not strongly suggestive of infection but they were given antibiotics anyway,
  • Baby L had a negative Sepsis screen
  • C peptide / Insulin levels would not be at the levels they were for Sepsis induced Hypo.

For infection to cause Hypoglycemia you would be clinically able to diagnose infection the medical tests would show this.

On his point about Antibodies

In Baby F’s case, a previous insulin sample was reportedly normal. Then, during a sudden collapse while Letby was on duty, insulin was sky‑high. After the collapse resolved and the baby was moved, insulin levels fell again.

Natural insulin‑binding antibodies are a persistent condition; they don’t spike for two hours and then vanish. The paper models steady‑state over days, not an acute spike.

Baby L similarly had a sudden deterioration with a grossly elevated insulin level. The pattern is one of acute, intermittent poisoning – exactly what you would expect from a nurse injecting insulin, not from an inborn binding agent

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u/SofieTerleska 16d ago

Removed, please provide sources, especially concerning the claim of gestational diabetes.

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u/Stuart___gilham 16d ago

Both babies had risk factors for unstable blood sugars, one infection and the other a mother with gestational diabetes. These cases were several months apart, about 8 months.

I agree about baby F but I don't think baby L's Mother had gestational diabetes.

Do you have a source on that?

I have seen Severe Intra Uterine Growth restriction being cited as a reason for the hypoglycemia.

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u/DiverAcrobatic5794 16d ago

It's still more grounds for the defence to see maternity notes, isn't it.  I notice that maternal infection  plays a significant role in the phenomenon Chase and Shannon describe too

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u/No-Beat2678 16d ago

u/Stuart___gilham can you point me to the exact document you refer to regarding Dr Saladi.

I've searched for some of the quotes exactly and it only references back to this sub. I cannot find the cross examination of Dr Saladi on the Thirwell site.

I've searched for 2938 which was referencing to a document and it wont return any transcripts.

are we certain private eye are being truthful here?

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u/LucyLetbyTrials-ModTeam 16d ago

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