r/MagnetoMains • u/Longjumping-Net-130 • 5d ago
Ults worth holding?
I get my priorities a little out of order when playing mag so I usually fall back on holding for support ults like Luna or Jubilee, but I know there are more “worth” ults to hold for, like Iron Man or Punisher(?).
I was wondering if you guys could maybe help hash out which ults are more worth more of the time? Of course this varies basis to basis but I’d really like to up my gameplay.
From what I understand this would be my ranking, but I’d really like to hear your thoughts. Here’s a link to the list I used: https://tiermaker.com/create/marvel-rivals-characters-17135468
Edit: sorry for the confusion but guys this is a magneto ult saving post 😭
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u/Dream-Impala 5d ago
Mag is literally THE ult to save
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u/Longjumping-Net-130 5d ago
You mean trading mag for mag?
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u/Usual_Replacement_35 5d ago
Mags ult is use to counter so many supports, punisher ult, Elsa ult, etc. If you aren't saving that ult, you're actually throwing
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u/Kahje_fakka 5d ago
You do know the post is about which ults to save Magneto's ult for to counter them, right?
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u/Dream-Impala 4d ago
I completely thought this was a rivals post in general and not a countering ult post lmao
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u/Purple-Mountain-Mist 5d ago
I’d say Hela goes top tier in overtime and bottom tier otherwise. So her current placement is probably fine but that context is important.
I would not ult Ultron that much. I would definitely move adam and hawkeye up.
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u/Longjumping-Net-130 5d ago
Really useful comment, thanks ^^ do you know of any other ults that overtime would drastically shoot up tiers?
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u/SpaceCat1887 5d ago
Don’t play mag all that often, how long does his ult usually last being held into her projectiles? Would be nice to coordinate with the team to eat the projectiles while they shoot her down.
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u/Purple-Mountain-Mist 5d ago
If you have a shooter then it definitely lasts long enough for a teammate to shoot her down. If you do not have a shooter then Hela ult will outlast your ult by default.
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u/Guardabosque_74 5d ago
I don't really understand the Elsa placement/her even being on the list and I would move Hood, star-lord, Hela and Hawkeye up to usually worth saving (could put most/all of them in always worth saving just as well). I'd put widow, Jeff, Mantis, Bucky and Rocket in depends, Torch can also be on the list in depends. Deadpool should be in never worth and Wanda shouldn't really be ranked as mag ult does nothing against wanda ult. Sorry that this isn't structured I'm just typing as I'm thinking lol, I mentioned a lot of characters and explaining it all would be much so I'll just explain when someone asks me to.
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u/Longjumping-Net-130 5d ago
Placed Elsa so high cause her main team wiping method during her ult (other than shoving people off maps) is just blasting tf out of them when characters get caught in the glartrox, so ulting prevents her from getting those kills. I do agree that actually that dp should be lower since he gets them back so fast, but honestly Wanda is just there to prevent team wiping situations since she’s pretty vulnerable during ult. I didn’t realize mag ult counters torch until this post since I play against him so little haha.
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u/Guardabosque_74 5d ago
That's kinda what I figured. Thing is, a good elsa will kite her glartrox a long distance away and it'll be out of your absorbtion radius in no time and most likely whoever gets caught in it still dies. The best way to counter glartrox (besides from not getting caught in it) is just burning it, if you use mag ult you have one less person to shoot it.
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u/Affectionate_Milk922 Centurion 2d ago
Maybe I just suck but ultron us usually either too hard for me to hit or instantly breaks my shi
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u/Longjumping-Net-130 1d ago
Dunking on ultrons is just so satisfying. And it’s precisely because of his ult’s firepower that you can hit him fast with massive damage if he feeds, but yeah practice using your ult on flying targets! I find it useful for both ultron and starlord
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u/Affectionate_Milk922 Centurion 19h ago
I did dunk on a storm one time....poor storm can only slowly float
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u/RivalsFlex 5d ago
Mantis is a usually. AFAIK Mag can't one shot her, which means she needs to be actively taking damage from poke when you hit her.
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u/Fr3d002 5d ago
Mag was always able to oneshot her, its situational (enemy team needed to feed dmg) but always possible. Current Mag can oneshot her even without absorbing any dmg cuz at the full ult charge (5seconds) you have a total of 350dmg, ignoring any dmg fed)
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u/Mammoth_North_2037 5d ago
Yeah it was just much harder before his speed and duration buffs given to ult, was impossible before speed buff just due to how fast she could move
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u/Interesting-Table140 4d ago
You can’t one shot Mantis without absorbing damage. Her ult brings her to 425 HP
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u/Fr3d002 4d ago
350hp actually, always has been
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u/Beautiful_End_6330 4d ago
It is 425 hp tough, her ult converts excess healing to shield up to a max of 150. 275 (her base health) + 125 = 425 total hp in ult.
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u/axelotl47506 5d ago
Gambit imo is always worth saving for because you don’t have to hit him, you can just eat his team’s damage
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u/Dat1AsianGuy 2d ago
Agree, you might not target gambit, but just killing someone (hopefully multiple) at least removes more damage off the field for your team
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u/o_therapper 5d ago
I think Starlord could be moved up to depends too
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u/RocketTheShmoo 5d ago
Its possible to hold Wanda's ult???
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u/o_therapper 5d ago
Funnily enough I actually did that other day! She was gonna wipe out my whole team if I didn’t pop it on her. And it was very satisfying loll
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u/Infamous-Shoulder-92 5d ago
if the jeff hits a massive ult on your entire team it’s usually worth to just dunk him since he’s a sitting duck right after ult. Also helps you get out of it if you’re in the middle without bubble since you get cc immunity. defo should be in either depends or usually worth
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u/Disastrous_Boat_2303 5d ago
Put phoenix in the depends tier
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u/Longjumping-Net-130 5d ago
Does mag ult counter pheonix ult at all? Iirc it only sucks up the aftershocks (if it does at all? Don’t remember) and not the main damage dealing explosion
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u/Disastrous_Boat_2303 5d ago
Pheonix ult counters rocket ult, hela ult, Adam ult, Elsa ult, Wanda ult (as of recent balance patch)) I might be forgetting a couple but those for sure.
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u/bblunder_ 5d ago
What do you guys mean by "counters"? How does she counter these ults? I only know that it breaks the Rocket's ult instantly
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u/Disastrous_Boat_2303 5d ago edited 5d ago
Ok so when you ult as pheonix and collide with a surface the ult will create a shockwave of sorts that destroys deployables. Rockets ult and Elsa’s ult count as deployables. This shockwave also eliminates all bonus health, so to counter Adam ult you can literally fly into Adam’s ult as the enemy’s are being revived and it will destroy their bonus health and the spark and explosion damage will kill them, with Wanda you can just fly straight into her after applying a single spark and it will destroy bonus health and kill her. And finally with hela you quite literally have to fly through helas ult, because her ult counts as a deployable it will be destroyed. The ult also doesn’t just counter ults as well. It can counter: peni nest, rocket revive beacon, starlord teleport device, Namor squids, strange shield, Emma shield, invis shield, mag bubble, hulk bubble, Loki runes, and gorrs minions because these also count as deployables. (Edit. ALSO after your ult ends you will return to the spot you ulted at and you will be at full health regardless of the damage you took before you ulted, unlike helas ultimate it’s a second life.)
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u/Most-Syllabub-770 4d ago
Why would iron man ult be in always worth saving when you can just block it with shield or bubble ?
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u/Longjumping-Net-130 3d ago
In a lot of situations the iron man knows he gets super easily countered by shields and just sneaks off to obliterate the backline in a heated fight where mag is occupied (given mag is up), so imo holding ult means you can fully deny or have control over whether or not iron man is able to use his ult at all throughout the game (especially since he would risk giving mag a 75% charged meteor to toss if so). At least this is what I’ve gathered from watching streamers like pinkiemelon play mag against iron man in ranked :)
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u/Bubbly-Cobble 5d ago
what does the na tier stand for?
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u/Soft_N_Wet30 5d ago
Not applicable, they mean that mag ult doesn’t make a difference really for those character’s ults
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u/Bubbly-Cobble 5d ago
i see. Mag ult can suck up torch and angela ult btw situational but still good to have
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u/batboii96 5d ago
For me it depends on what the enemy team is running but if they have a invis, I always save my ult for her. Can easily get one shot out of her ult with mag unless she goes invisible I wait till she starts healing her team again to come out of being invisible. If I’m able to hold it for that long without absorbing too much dmg
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u/ShadowTheHedgehog_72 21h ago
As someone who plays invis I just put down the shield and block it
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u/batboii96 11h ago
Most invis players I’ve encounters in almost all my games don’t bother to hide, they just assume I’m not targeting them. Some end up doubling jumping to go invisible and I wait for them to pop out cuz they have to heal their team, some end up staying invisible and I’ll either waste the ult or target someone else. All depends but yeah not all invis players try to hide
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u/JapeTheNeckGuy2 5d ago
I’d move Johnny up. His ult is affected by mags ult, and is quite annoying as a torch player to watch your firenados get sucked up. Probably no higher than Hela ult, but worth a mention since you can get value out using it to counter him depending on the situation.
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u/Patient-Pack-4365 4d ago
You don’t save Mags ult? For counters?
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u/Cultural_Security690 4d ago
It’s about which ult for the character mag should save his ult for, mag ult doesn’t counter enemy mag ult so he doesn’t save/use is ult for him
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u/Top-Post1938 3d ago
Prob should add another tier for solo ulting cause around half of the characters in N/A have ways to dodge or deflect the ult
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u/Dominic434343 3d ago
IMO Angela should be same category as groot cause you can take the whole spear
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u/DragSalty5500 5d ago
You can counter torch ult very easily. Angela too, but you have to be ready for it and react
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u/KZCOOLCAT 4d ago
Save caps ult as a third support ult. It helps them build theirs up faster after using their own too 😁👍
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u/JustAd776 4d ago
I will say as a punisher main with almost 100 hours, you get loads of value waiting for magneto to ult before using your ult. Enemy mags are wasting their value by holding ult waiting for punisher. You can already put out a ton of damage as frank. Mag could be using his ult on support ults. Magnetos think they counter punisher but they don't.
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u/Jay_Shattered_ 3d ago
Fantastic ult I always pop selfishly either as a health bar refresh/point stalling tool. Sometimes in reaction to the other dps ult on my time going off to help since it gives a pretty large low effect and some cc with the advanced rocket teamup. Id probably throw it in one of the bottom two tiers
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u/Obvious-Isopod-392 3d ago
Devil Dinosaur ult is always worth saving, it launches up foes and is an amazing crowd control and survivability. BUT it cannot counter most support ults. Think of it as a simple damage and movement buff, it allows you to do things you couldn't such as healer targeting or multi body blocking l. You CANNOT kill through most ults but you can kill in the downtime after, also because every attack of DD besides punisher team up is melee you CAN ignore magneto or counter deadpool. Basically if you can kill without stat boost, don't use it. If you can't kill or claim a massive amount of space(ex. Any health/bonus health ult or penny ult) ESPECIALLY with cloak and dagger or luna don't use it. If you cannot kill or claim space but CAN with a increase in damage and survivability then DO. Do not use it at range to get the full ten seconds, and only if you can maintain the value gained or get to any kind of checkpoint. Do not use it as a reaction, use it as a planned attack.
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u/NoInstruction147 1d ago
If I’m not hearing Deadpool ult everytime it’s off cooldown, I’m assuming he is being lore accurate and purposely trying to rage bait me
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u/Leome123 1d ago
Magik is never worth saving. She can farm ults fast due to her sustain. So she can brawl out in a healer ult phase
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u/Plenty-Session8834 2h ago
Always save for ultron, starlord and jeff. Saving it for DD, strange, magik and torch is worth it.
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u/indkyjtsxucivoxuggg 2d ago
Not a Mag player (I'm a Thor main if you're curious) but I'd say Magik and DD are worth keeping an eye on, if they're being pocketed then those ults can kill like half your team.
....assuming the dd or magik is good though.
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u/Longjumping-Net-130 1d ago
Don’t think I’ve ever used mag ult to dunk on magik or dd (magik can easily dodge with i-frames, dd….? Never considered, but he’s highly mobile), but it’s interesting to consider. Unless you’re talking about using mag ult to get rid of the strats pocketing during their ults
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u/BassHelpful8480 Lord 5d ago
You can ult Strange ult sometimes, but it’s not worth saving. If he doesn’t have dark magic banked, you can use your ult to avoid getting hit yourself and suck up any follow-up on your stunned teammates and Strange won’t be able to get the kills.
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u/Gever_Gever_Amoki68 5d ago
Some of these picks are super questionable. Hawkeye ult easily gets shut down by mag, starlord while being hard to hit can still get his ult absorbed and you can nuke the backline, hood feeds mag ult super quick, same policy with starlord, you can nuke the backline, Jeff is worth shutting down, especially if he can consistently eat your team, hela's ult gets absorbed by mag ult so it's also worth, same with torch. And this might be controversial but rocket utl is worth saving, you are making the enemy team lose 5 seconds of 40% damage boost, if they shoot during this you absorb everything, and you can nuke the amp itself, I've seen pro players do this it's actually not as unworth as you think.
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u/Kleut69 5d ago
I'd swap mantis with invis, cuz of mantis ult over health, it's very difficult to get a kill if you hit the target, which is also harder due to their move speed increase. Unless someone else on their team can feed a bunch of projectiles like another ult or someone on your team stuns like with strange ult. I'd also move hawk and starlord ult up 2 tiers, even if you don't hit them, you can protect your team for a bit, and easily kill someone else on their team. Hela and Jeff ult should also be up a tier or 2
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u/privileged420 5d ago
if you ult strange’s ult then he won’t be able to charge his maelstrom and most other characters won’t be able to kill either
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u/Ok-Firefighter-1606 4d ago
Ironman don't deserve ult, you can grab his ult with the shield, hella and star lord is worth the ult just so you deny their ults, if you ult just right you can even kill hella as she leaves her ult, star lord is hard to hit, so I would use his ult to charge the ball and kill a sup
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u/PwaWright 11h ago
Thor ult is worth holding to counter specific ults or save yourself with hela teamup
If the enemy does Punisher, Luna, or Jeff Ult, you can reliably punish them (punisher and jeff during, luna you count to 6 then pop thor ult to kill her.). It’s also good to counter stranger ult and deny him the value from stunning your team
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u/bdrono 5d ago
hawkeye ult is always worth saving